For everybody thats giving advices!

[Nolvadexbrah]

FOUND THIS SOMEWHERE PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANTS TO TAKES RISKS



A lot of the time you see people requesting advice and the same answers are always given

1) your not ready for steroids

2) look at your diet and training

3) thats too many compounds

4) tren is for an advanced user

5) only need 250mg week to grow

etc etc

The list goes on..

NOW, while im not saying any of this is bad advice, you have to think outside the box for person specific requirements..


For instance...

A lot of people will chastise and say "start on 250mg week test and work up to different compounds as you progress"

That is alll very well if say that person has a linear progression in mind and a long term goal to compete lets say

All very sensible, starting on 250mg test, see sides, add in dbol next time, add maybe deca time after etc etc

So the long haul as it were...

Now what if some one was not really in it for the long haul, was impatient (like me) and wanted gains straight away, has no plans to compete, just wants to be "hench as fck" for summer and will prob stop training in a few years when interest wains???

SO want a cycle to be "hench as fck"

Now if come asked myself, I would explain sides and prob suggest a test tren and oral poss Dbol cycle

As long as risks explained, sides are not any worse on a advanced drug user to a beginner?? so whats the big deal..

Also you all assume every one has same regard for health and should all be conscious of that fact

Well some, just want to be big and wil take the consequences (if any), so if they not worried why are you???

Why does diet have to be right??? you can gain on sh1t diet with aas .

Why cant tren used 1st cycle

Why are certain drugs only for "advanced althetes"

If you have the money and prepared to take risk, why is it more acceptable for a competitive BBder to use large amounts of aas, as opposed to a bicep boy who just wants to nail chicks??

Both goals are as important to the individual as each other, in fact IMO getting nailed has more benefitial real world applications than plastic trophys

Just My opinion, and as Dutch Scott freely admits is his main inspiration for training, and why not!!!


And for the record its my opinion if we were to look at side effects, the long term linear progresive user would IMO have more chance of getting medical problems than the few time mega dose bicep boy user who wil give up training in a few years

[NACH3]

^^^ This clearly shows that you have no maturity! STOP B4 YOU HURT YOURSELF... You have gotten all the advice you needed from your "prop deca vs prop Tren ace" but your attitude is suffering...

Re-think this as if you don't know the answers to your ?'s your clearly not ready for AAS... Diet & training account for 90% of all gains!!! Stop being lazy and get up and put in some work!! Roids won't get you anywhere but hurt at your weight and lack of foundation!

[derekkpapa1]

There are plenty of other forums that could careless about there members health maybe you should ask them for advice- maybe they will tell you what you want to here.
As you get old in life (I am still learning) you will find out there is no short cuts just things to assist us to get there quicker if use properly.

[Jesusbrah]

Just to put things in perspective; a friend of mine is 6´0 and 90 kg. Still looks skinny to me. You are 6´0 and 62 kg, thats 28 kg/60 lbs!!! Cant imagine what you look like.

The reason you dont do tren on first cycle is for the same reason you stick your hand in the shower before you go in. Its so you dont get burned.

You cant gain shit on diet? Hahaha, ok. Just to let you know, i got to 220 lbs 10% by diet for 7 years natural.

"why is it more acceptable for a competitive BBder to use large amounts of aas, as opposed to a bicep boy who just wants to nail chicks??" There are plenty of people here that use large amount of steroids without competing. The only difference between them and you is that they have gotten past the level youre on long before they started taking steroids.

If you cant get girls then work on your f*cking game, not practise penetrating your ass with cylinder-shaped objects that squirts liquid. Most girls are repulsed by steroids anyways.

Steroids are not magic. They only accelerate your growth, however if you are not gaining naturally (your 60 f*cking kg!) then they are useless. Only thing youre gonna grow is probably some facial hair. Learn to eat, thats what gonna make your grow!

Your free to take the advice if you want to, its your body.

[Mr.BB]

He's a troll, if we stop giving him attention he will go away

[clarky.]

It is up to you what you do we just advice ppl to keep them safe as possible so they can enjoy there bb and grow and keep it. So if you want to hear just go ahead and take this and that for one summer to get big then you have came to the wrong forum we do not give silly or bad advice just to keep ppl happy.

[Java Man]

You seem to have it all figured out, and have your own answers and have decided on path of ignorance, impatience, and self destructive behavior. It's clear to me that you wouldn't listen to any advice anyways because the answers are already pre-formulated in your aberrated mind before you even type the question. If you don't care to learn, be patient, and be a responsible adult about your training and proposed steroid use then why waste our time. Just do what you already resolved to do and move on.

All of your bullet points are given as advice by veteran lifters, nutritionists, and some members are physicians. So there are very good scientific reasons for that advice. If you want to ignore science. Knowledge, experience, and logic do so at your own peril but don't bitch to us just because you don't like hearing truths that don't match your fantasies.

[austinite]

Thanks for your opinion. Those who give advice are just as entitled to their opinions as you are. You don't have to follow their lead, and people most certainly don't have to follow yours.

Please post in the proper section in the future.

Have a powerful day.

[cardifffizzle]

This guy is just looking for attention. Grow up and get a life.

[Buster Brown]

Sounds like you already have it all figured out and your not liking what you get for feedback. I try to give everyone solid advice but my time is valuable to me and I won't waste it on someone like yourself. I won't flame you, just simply going to wash my hands of you. Good luck.

[ScotchGuard02]

I believe that your opinions are totally valid. I have been on this site for some time and read a LOT of posts by really knowledgeable members. My feeling of their advise is that they follow the following unspoken site rules.

Safety first. These guys that post here know their stuff. I was driving through a school cross walk after the crossing guard gave the all go. I was half way though the intersection and two kids ran through the intersection and if it wasn't for my ninja like reflexes (LOL) I literally would have run them over. The crossing guard took her eyes off those kids for one second and they came 24 inches to death. The members here that give advice speak up when someone is going to run through the intersection and my hurt themselves. If they didn't say anything what good are their experience to the new members looking for advice?

In regards to your comments regarding diet, tren on 1st cycle, AAS for "advanced athletes", etc. You make perfect sense. You can absolutely gain muscle on a crappy diet but you will also gain a lot of fat. Once the cycle is over it is twice as hard to lose the fat then to gain the muscle. Tren on the first will slam shut your HPTA your endogenous Test production might just stop. The result is TRT for the rest of your life. The sides range from erectile dysfunction, anorgasmia, low libido, chronic fatigue, etc. There are compounds that is significantly more anabolic than Test. Going through a number of cycles will "train" the body to recover and normalize the HPTA. Athletes who's cycles many times are more likely to recover from the highly anabolic compounds. I could go on but it will suffice to say that the rule of "safety first" applies here. Hearing about erectile dysfunction and having erectile dysfunction will produce TOTALLY different emotional response. The experienced member know the consequences of a hasty decision. Because of what they know, they have a responsibility to educate and advise the lesser experiences members.

There will always be members that will not listen to sound advice. It's just the way the world turns. My advice would be to swallow your pride and listen to sound advice.

[jstone]

If you aren't banging chick's at your size you won't be banging chick's at twice your size. If you don't have any game, getting bigger will not get you laid. If your willing to risk your health to get laid go for it. Nobody here is going to help you. With your diet you will not see any gains even if you have the best pharmecutical geer.

you don't just start eating right, at a moments notice. You have to eat like it's a job. When your still full from your last meal, and it is time to eat again what are you going to do. It takes some time before you learn to force feed yourself. If your dumb ass just ate like you should you would gain.

You will never be "hench as fvck", and why for one summer. I promise if your not getting laid now, know matter how big you are you won't get laid. You need to work on talking to females, I knew guys in high school that were skinny as you. They were banging chick's regularly, because they had game.

I guarantee every guy on this board that has a way with females, could do it if they had your body. If you were the size of the biggest guy on this board it wouldn't help.

[Back In Black]

Let it go. He is banned.

[jstone]

I didn't notice the ban under his name. My bad.

[lovbyts]

Thanks for your opinion. Those who give advice are just as entitled to their opinions as you are. You don't have to follow their lead, and people most certainly don't have to follow yours.

Please post in the proper section in the future.

Have a powerful day.

^^^^ My input was going to be and still is, I obviously dont have to and wouldn't suggest a cycle under the given examples.