***New member need urgent advice***

[molangi]

He all I am new to this forum so forgive me if I'm writing in the wrong place. So here's my story I am 22 years old and I done a cycle of test starting at 250mg once per week for roughly 8-10 weeks then up'd to 250mg twice per week for roughly 4-5 weeks then up'ing again to 375mg twice per week for another 4-5 weeks no problems during cycle gaining about 12kg of muscle 2 weeks after cycle I started my pct which consisted of 25mg of nolva and 25mg of clomid once per day in the morning for 25 days I finished my pct about 2 or 3 months ago and I have very little to nill sex drive I was fine before my cycle and a sex animal during but now I'm not interested in my partner at all someone please help what do I do?

[956Vette]

In your shoes I would make it a priority to get blood work performed. Given your extensive/lengthy usage of synthetic testosterone and mild post cycle therapy efforts my guess is that your testosterone levels are low/recovering and estrogen ratio is high comparatively. Best wishes your way, please keep us up to speed on your plan of attack molangi.

[molangi]

Ok so do I see my local gp? And what do I ask for? if your right and I have low test and high estrogen levels what would be the next step?

[molangi]

Ok so do I see my local gp? And what do I ask for? if your right and I have low test and high estrogen levels what would be the next step?

[molangi]

Also just wondering if there's a place that saves your own forums so you don't loose it?

[derekkpapa1]

Welcome

[NACH3]

Welcome aboard!

[zempey]

Welcome. Your PCT was way off, get blood work to see where you are at. You will probably need to do another PCT type program to get you back to normal if that is even possible. That long of a cycle at your age could have done some damage, and will likely take some time to recover.

[956Vette]

Ok so do I see my local gp? And what do I ask for? if your right and I have low test and high estrogen levels what would be the next step?

You could go to your physician, however you'll likely have to play games to get insurance to cover it and for your doctor to go along with the tests needed. It's best to outsource the lab work yourself...however I am unsure of specifics for those in NZ.

[skaz915]

He all I am new to this forum so forgive me if I'm writing in the wrong place. So here's my story I am 22 years old and I done a cycle of test starting at 250mg once per week for roughly 8-10 weeks then up'd to 250mg twice per week for roughly 4-5 weeks then up'ing again to 375mg twice per week for another 4-5 weeks no problems during cycle gaining about 12kg of muscle 2 weeks after cycle I started my pct which consisted of 25mg of nolva and 25mg of clomid once per day in the morning for 25 days I finished my pct about 2 or 3 months ago and I have very little to nill sex drive I was fine before my cycle and a sex animal during but now I'm not interested in my partner at all someone please help what do I do?

Says the guy who didn't take any time to research steroids before use. Had you, you would have realized your too young

[ojm3]

You made a real bone head move putting that much aas into your body for that long without research. Your way too young bro and probably gave yourself a lifetime of issues.

No hcg on cycle I bet

Did you run AI on cycle.

Proper pct for a cycle that long should have been more like :

Clomid @ 75/50/50/50
Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20

^^ At least that, probably more since you were on 20 weeks.

[molangi]

Wow some of you guys arnt really helping me in fact scaring me :/ I will get bloods done and give you guys an update

[Mr.BB]

Dont worry there are plenty of 22 year olds in the same situation, we get lots of posts like this as before the hpta matured one is much more likely to get these problems. It can take you a year to recover or even have problems for life.

You need BW, but not prescribed from your gp as he probably know litlle of this subject. Either research and do bw on your own or you need an endo.

[NACH3]

^^^^ Spot on advice here throughout this thread OP! Listen as these knowledgable members are just helping you and giving it to you straight as its what you needed to hear(IMO)... Aside from that it may take a while or a lifetime full of problems like BB stated... And your most likely to bounce back but no definite answer! GL Buddy!

[molangi]

When you say problems for life your meaning in regards to sex drive etc? I think I will get my gp to do bw as I won't know what I'm doing.

[NACH3]

When you say problems for life your meaning in regards to sex drive etc? I think I will get my gp to do bw as I won't know what I'm doing.

Problems could be Hypogonasm(LOWT - primary = testicular - secondary = HPTA both balance your hormones in "loop" of the Endocrine System... Yes ED probs as well - possible TRT for life... Only if you don't recover!

Try not too(get BW by GP)as Vette956 stated... Plus once it's on record you'll have a hard time getting things covered b/c the INS CO will say it's due to your strroid usage(very few are cool about this - few and far between)...

With that said check out online labs... Cheaper and just as good... P R I v at e m d l a b s . C o m .

If this is a problem sorry and I'll edit out! Thanks!

[zempey]

Don't tell him you did juice, just tell him you have no sex drive, tired, weak, and ask him to send you for blood work. Tell him you googled low sex drive and read some articles on low testosterone and go from there and see what he says.

[molangi]

Ok thanks for all the advice got blood work done this morning will update when I get results cheers

[ojm3]

How did the blood work go?

[molangi]

Hi so I've had half my bw back it's written like this

Oestradial: <200 pmol/L ( <170 )
Testosterone: 7.5 nmol/L ( 9 - 30 ) L

Doesn't make alot of sense to me but then it describes that my testosterone is abit low??

Any thoughts???

[Mr.BB]

Yes, your testosterone is low, maybe like a 70 year old lol

What about the LH and FSH values? Sure hope you tested for these...

Can we see the full blood work?

[molangi]

I'm still waiting on the rest of the results to come back they must be abit slow here in nz will update when I get them

[molangi]

Hi so I have some more results and they look like this

FSH: 2.5 U/L ( 2 - 10 )
LH: 3.9 U/L ( 1 - 10 )
Testosterone: 8.9 nmol/L ( 9 - 30 ) L
Prolactin: 165 mU/L ( 45 - 375 )

Any thoughts GP said everything is mainly fine apart from slightly low testosterone?

[cucu]

Hi so I have some more results and they look like this

FSH: 2.5 U/L ( 2 - 10 )
LH: 3.9 U/L ( 1 - 10 )
Testosterone: 8.9 nmol/L ( 9 - 30 ) L
Prolactin: 165 mU/L ( 45 - 375 )

Any thoughts GP said everything is mainly fine apart from slightly low testosterone?

Your hormones seem fine, imo. The testosterone is on the low side, but you have no way of knowing if that's your normal state, a diurnal fluctuation etc. Your best bet would be to repeat that in a few weeks (optimally with blood drawn twice, in the morning and in the evening).

You might see elsewhere T being measured in mass/volume, in that case you are at 256 ng/dL. It is low, but not enough to take immediate action. Additionally, you have normal LH/FSH values, which turns me away from your sexual issues being hormonal. Are there any other factors, maybe psychologicl that could cause you stress/anxiety/distress? Do you have any comorbidity (BP, diabetes etc)?

[EquilibriumZ]

Your hormones seem fine, imo. The testosterone is on the low side, but you have no way of knowing if that's your normal state, a diurnal fluctuation etc. Your best bet would be to repeat that in a few weeks (optimally with blood drawn twice, in the morning and in the evening). You might see elsewhere T being measured in mass/volume, in that case you are at 256 ng/dL. It is low, but not enough to take immediate action. Additionally, you have normal LH/FSH values, which turns me away from your sexual issues being hormonal. Are there any other factors, maybe psychologicl that could cause you stress/anxiety/distress? Do you have any comorbidity (BP, diabetes etc)?

Lmao are you on drugs? His testosterone level is not fine. He is 22 ffs
I dont think you have still recovered OP. If i were you, i d redo a way stronger pct than what you mentioned

[NACH3]

Lmao are you on drugs? His testosterone level is not fine. He is 22 ffs
I dont think you have still recovered OP. If i were you, i d redo a way stronger pct than what you mentioned

Your right it is low but he's still recovering! Real recovery starts after your PCT(not for all but most)...

Although I do agree w/cucu regarding more BW!

OP how long has it been since your PCT, and when was your BW Taken in relevance to your PCT(how long after your cycle did you wait)

[Mr.BB]

I disagree, your LH and FSH are low considering the testosterone being low. Your body is not recognizing that the test is not enough.

I would do another PCT of clomid and nolva. 4 weeks, 100-50-50-50, 40-20-20-20.

[NACH3]

I disagree, your LH and FSH are low considering the testosterone being low. Your body is not recognizing that the test is not enough.

I would do another PCT of clomid and nolva. 4 weeks, 100-50-50-50, 40-20-20-20.

BB what did you disagree about my post? Just curious, or was it not mine as no quote... Asking b/c I do agree thT all his levels are low(TT/FT/LH/FSH)...

OP it def wouldn't hurt to do anotger PCT as stated!

[Buster Brown]

If you do go the route of another pct make sure you wait 6-8 weeks before getting your bw. At this point nothing is being solved just the obviuos that your values are on the low side.

[Mr.BB]

BB what did you disagree about my post? Just curious, or was it not mine as no quote... Asking b/c I do agree thT all his levels are low(TT/FT/LH/FSH)...

OP it def wouldn't hurt to do anotger PCT as stated!

Not you bro!

Was disagreeing cucu opinion.

[NACH3]

Not you bro!

Was disagreeing cucu opinion.

I was thinkin that but I wanted to make sure I didn't say something backwards or something I didn't see for OP! Lol

[cucu]

Lmao are you on drugs? His testosterone level is not fine. He is 22 ffs

First of all there is no need for that kind of language.
Secondly, how can you tell that that is not his normal T levels? A reference range is just that, a reference, not an ultimatum. A clinician, as the one the OP has visited, takes it into consideration along with any other factor.
Moreover, how can you be sure that it was not a diurnal fluctuation, and if he was measured in the morning it would have been double that value? I am sure you know that can happen. And what about the normal values of LH/FSH? Does he have both a primary AND secondary hypogonadism, as that is the only thing that would explain that?
OP, my personal, humble opinion is: before you proceed to PCT, just do a recheck on the values and make sure the sexual dysfunction is not caused be other factors. Just my opinion tho.

[molangi]

Thanks for all the feedback on the blood work getting abit confused with what my next step should be though my gp said I should recover fine?

[lovbyts]

Did you tell your GP you did a cycle? I see you are in New Zealand. I'm not sure what your laws are there on steroid use. No way in hell I would tell my GP. Hell I dont even tell my GP I'm on HRT because most of the are 100% clueless when it comes to hormones.

OK even though it's a little late (better late than never) please read the link and all the information the young and steroids. It will explain why you are experiencing your current problems.
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-steroids.html

Given time you probably will recover. If you dont in the next few months you may need to run a more aggressive PCT. NO do not think about running another cycle or a low dose test cycle to fix the problem, it wont and it will make it worse. No test boosters are mostly all garbage also and NO, no no to pro hormones.

You may also want to check to see if there are any clinics that will do blood work without the doctor ordering it. We have a few places online you can place an order for what you want, full male hormone panel with free testosterone and sensitive estradiol. It runs about $150 US but well worth it especially to keep things private.

[molangi]

Thanks lovbyts very usefull info I think steroids are illegal over here but for example it's abit like Marijuana over here to if you have alot of it and are selling it you will get in alot of trouble but if you have a few joints it's not such a big deal. So my GP didn't realy care and was cruisy bout the hole thing he done three separate tests for testosterone on the mornings and they all came back low so he's booked me in an appointment with a hormone specialist or something along those lines witch won't be private so I will probly go on a waiting list.