Fat loss and Steroids

[Slacker78]

Hello friends,
As title, i'm looking for a good remedy to lose abdominal fat and without sacrifice lean mass. I've read austinite fat loss protocol and i've notice it does not use steroids. I know using steroids with a high rate of fat mass ( above 16% ) it's not advisable cause high estrogens conversion. I wonder, if it's possible and how ( if any ), to use steroids ( which type ) to keep the result to lose abdominal fat keeping lean mass. A good example cycle it would be nice.

Thanks for all.

[austinite]

Why would you lose muscle mass without steroids?

[Slacker78]

It's well know, that with any natural fat-burn protocol, lowering carbo and calories, increasing cardio and etc, losing fat take away muscle mass too. Steroids help to preserve muscle mass ( blocking cortisol receptors too ) promoting burning fat. I would use Steroids, even in a light cycle, to help fat burning preserving muscle mass. Any suggests Austinite ?

[Docd187123]

Why would you lose muscle mass without steroids?

Being hypocaloric almost always ensures muscle loss to some degree or another.

[austinite]

Being hypocaloric almost always ensures muscle loss to some degree or another.

Absolutely not. If you sprint through the journey, sure.

[Docd187123]

Absolutely not. If you sprint through the journey, sure.

It surprisingly has little to do with the size of the deficit. It has to do with genetic and hormonal makeup. P-ratio for instance will dictate how much muscle and fat is lost or synthesized during over and under eating periods. Eating enough protein and training correctly will limit the loss to some degree but the loss is inevitable especially while natty.

[NACH3]

Being hypocaloric almost always ensures muscle loss to some degree or another.

Isn't eating at a calorie Deficit the way to cut up... If eating T maintenance you shouldn't lose anything but try no more than 500c under TDEE first and see how that goes... and I've was able to keep strength while cutting up.... If you can carb cycle right, then That may be a more efficient way to lose bf while maintaining strength?!...

[qscgugcsq]

Being hypocaloric almost always ensures muscle loss to some degree or another.

not really if anabolics are sufisiant muscle.can even be gained.

body is a dynamic environement constanly building and losing muscle while losing and storing bodyfat.
the net balance is what matter.
with anabolics the surplus right now can help build muscle while storing few fat while deficit can be low enough to shred only fat and very few muscle so the net balance is less fat and egal or more muscle.

obviously thst might be real slow but possible

[Docd187123]

Isn't eating at a calorie Deficit the way to cut up... If eating T maintenance you shouldn't lose anything but try no more than 500c under TDEE first and see how that goes... and I've was able to keep strength while cutting up.... If you can carb cycle right, then That may be a more efficient way to lose bf while maintaining strength?!...

Hypocaloric is Under eating or being in a deficit. Again, the size of the deficit has little to do with how much muscle is lost during a cut at the end point. My goals are performance based so carb cycling is probably not the best choice for me but maybe for you or others.

[Docd187123]

not really if anabolics are sufisiant muscle.can even be gained.

body is a dynamic environement constanly building and losing muscle while losing and storing bodyfat.
the net balance is what matter.
with anabolics the surplus right now can help build muscle while storing few fat while deficit can be low enough to shred only fat and very few muscle so the net balance is less fat and egal or more muscle.

obviously thst might be real slow but possible

I was talking about cutting while not on Anabolics. Anabolics change the argument for sure.

[Slacker78]

Ok, very interesting let's go to original topic's title. Could you advise me some steroids cycle combined with a good diet, to keep muscle mass and sweep away abdominal fat ? Even a light cycle with some gear...

[NACH3]

Hypocaloric is Under eating or being in a deficit. Again, the size of the deficit has little to do with how much muscle is lost during a cut at the end point. My goals are performance based so carb cycling is probably not the best choice for me but maybe for you or others.

I do know what Hypocaloric meant(was just speaking in Laymans terms)... But I def agree that Anabolics changes the argument(4-sure)... But say you raise your P-ratio(higher), carbs and fats lower at %'s... Besides additional cardio, HIIT training etc, isn't eating Hypocaloric really the only ways to cut up? Or are you just saying one will also lose strength while being Hypocaloric and cutting up(Natty)?...

[Docd187123]

I do know what Hypocaloric meant(was just speaking in Laymans terms)... But I def agree that Anabolics changes the argument(4-sure)... But say you raise your P-ratio(higher), carbs and fats lower at %'s... Besides additional cardio, HIIT training etc, isn't eating Hypocaloric really the only ways to cut up? Or are you just saying one will also lose strength while being Hypocaloric and cutting up(Natty)?...

Sorry, thought you didn't know what it meant.

The problem is p-ratio is mainly genetic. Diet and training will only marginally affect it. Yes eating less calories than you use is how you lose weight. Eating enough protein and training correctly helps make sure the muscle loss is kept to a minimum. Not necessarily saying you'll lose strength but you will lose some muscle mass to one degree or another. Depends on many things n

[NACH3]

Sorry, thought you didn't know what it meant.

The problem is p-ratio is mainly genetic. Diet and training will only marginally affect it. Yes eating less calories than you use is how you lose weight. Eating enough protein and training correctly helps make sure the muscle loss is kept to a minimum. Not necessarily saying you'll lose strength but you will lose some muscle mass to one degree or another. Depends on many things n

Thx... We're on the same page now! Lol

Slacker my bad It took us away from your initial request... Haha

[qscgugcsq]

Sry doc I didnt thought you were excluding anabolics.

in that case yes you are totally right.

increase prots and carbs and keeping intensity up whilr in a dmall deficit is the best way to prevent muscle loss at maximum but exceptnif you are newbies or fat at the beginning muscle loss should be expected to a certain point.

for the original topics

350mg of test per week is suffisiant to keep muscle depending on your size and deficit.
1000 cals defixit will need more anabolics than 300.
a 250 pounds monster will need more anabolics than a 180 pounds.

but compared to.building muscle you dont need much.

being able to lose signifiant amount of lbm on 500mg of test require very large deficit and bad dieting... and bad training.

good amount of protein intense training few carbs and a deficit and a bitnif anabolic and muscle.loss should be minimal...

good luck

[Slacker78]

Sry doc I didnt thought you were excluding anabolics.

in that case yes you are totally right.

increase prots and carbs and keeping intensity up whilr in a dmall deficit is the best way to prevent muscle loss at maximum but exceptnif you are newbies or fat at the beginning muscle loss should be expected to a certain point.

for the original topics

350mg of test per week is suffisiant to keep muscle depending on your size and deficit.
1000 cals defixit will need more anabolics than 300.
a 250 pounds monster will need more anabolics than a 180 pounds.

but compared to.building muscle you dont need much.

being able to lose signifiant amount of lbm on 500mg of test require very large deficit and bad dieting... and bad training.

good amount of protein intense training few carbs and a deficit and a bitnif anabolic and muscle.loss should be minimal...

good luck

Ok thank you. I'm around 170 pounds. With 350 mg of Test, how much would it be my calories deficit ? 500c ? And how much should it be the carbo ratio ?

[NACH3]

Ok thank you. I'm around 170 pounds. With 350 mg of Test, how much would it be my calories deficit ? 500c ? And how much should it be the carbo ratio ?

What was your previous macro breakdown... Higher Protein, lower carbs/fats... So your gonna have to tweak your %'s around that fits you best... It takes yrs of dialing in your diet and training, as well as extensive logs while on cycle to see how everything is working, sides, etc... Everyone is different so what works for me may not work for you(body types, genetics, hormones added...etc...

[swolehead]

didn't read the posts sorry if a repeat what someone already said but you want to loose abdominal fat and genetics determine were the fat loss will come from

[qscgugcsq]

actually you better keep your carb up if you wanna prevent muscle loss...

the BEST way(Steroids aside) to prevent muscle loss is to keep the intensiry up in the gym.
if you are constantly carb depleted and cant perform efficiently it wont help.

carbs will create a bit of water retention and your weight will fluctuate more but fat will still be lost if you are in a deficit so dont worry.

[Slacker78]

actually you better keep your carb up if you wanna prevent muscle loss...

the BEST way(Steroids aside) to prevent muscle loss is to keep the intensiry up in the gym.
if you are constantly carb depleted and cant perform efficiently it wont help.

carbs will create a bit of water retention and your weight will fluctuate more but fat will still be lost if you are in a deficit so dont worry.

Yes.. but if i have to keep carb up, what i will be in deficit ? I suppose deficit = lowering carb... isn't it ?

Further i keep high intensity in Gym, and i eat a right carb quantity to keep my strength.. but in almost 2 years, my abdominal fat didn't fade away at all.... just a bit respect to beginning. So i would like to give a great shot using steroids, to remove finally, this fat which i'm bringing below for a long time... my weight is around 170 pounds with bf% around 20%, almost accumulated in abdominal... and i would like to give a consistent shot to decrease it considerably, keeping obviously, muscle mass...

Someone tells "lower carb", other one "keep carb up" and bla bla... remove the natural approch, and give me please some "standard/general" guidelines to burn fat using steroids, because i'm tired of this abdominal fat... i don't wanna pass the rest of my life in a Gym, to remove my "belly", getting away muscle mass

[qscgugcsq]

Yes.. but if i have to keep carb up, what i will be in deficit ? I suppose deficit = lowering carb... isn't it ?

Further i keep high intensity in Gym, and i eat a right carb quantity to keep my strength.. but in almost 2 years, my abdominal fat didn't fade away at all.... just a bit respect to beginning. So i would like to give a great shot using steroids, to remove finally, this fat which i'm bringing below for a long time... my weight is around 170 pounds with bf% around 20%, almost accumulated in abdominal... and i would like to give a consistent shot to decrease it considerably, keeping obviously, muscle mass...

Someone tells "lower carb", other one "keep carb up" and bla bla... remove the natural approch, and give me please some "standard/general" guidelines to burn fat using steroids, because i'm tired of this abdominal fat... i don't wanna pass the rest of my life in a Gym, to remove my "belly", getting away muscle mass

I hope your a kidding...

You can be in a deficit even on high carbs. .
Especially when you are on gear the fat requirement is lower so you can get away with less fat more carbs.

Not people say to lower carbs for several reason. One of them is brcause they are morons. And some other reason make sense.

Lowering carbs might reduce craving for many people. Plus fat and protein have a high satiety effect meaning they are less hungry while cutting...

Saying thats carbs turns into fat is moronic and very wrong... fat turn into fat... a caloric surplus will make you fat.

And still... carbs surplus wont turn into fat easely, but fat surplus will lead to direct fat gain.

Other reason why people tend to drop carbs is the loss of water.
Carbs cause water retention. Not fat gain...

So when cutting reducing carbs might help with satiety and reduce weight quickly.

But if you have a high diet adherence keeping carbs high will be more beneficial in term of energy level. Meaning stronger workout better recomp and less fat gain caused by a refeed.
But expect weight to vary more due to water shift.

Its as you wish.
You can cut carbs but you worry about muscle loss then keeping carbs up(energi levels up) will be your best option.

And gear will also greatly help.

I would say due to the use of gear just pick the easiest type of diet that you can follow in a deficit for a prolonged period of time and stick to it.

Muscle loss on anabolics should be minimal.

Good luck

[Slacker78]

I hope your a kidding...

You can be in a deficit even on high carbs. .
Especially when you are on gear the fat requirement is lower so you can get away with less fat more carbs.

Not people say to lower carbs for several reason. One of them is brcause they are morons. And some other reason make sense.

Lowering carbs might reduce craving for many people. Plus fat and protein have a high satiety effect meaning they are less hungry while cutting...

Saying thats carbs turns into fat is moronic and very wrong... fat turn into fat... a caloric surplus will make you fat.

And still... carbs surplus wont turn into fat easely, but fat surplus will lead to direct fat gain.

Other reason why people tend to drop carbs is the loss of water.
Carbs cause water retention. Not fat gain...

So when cutting reducing carbs might help with satiety and reduce weight quickly.

But if you have a high diet adherence keeping carbs high will be more beneficial in term of energy level. Meaning stronger workout better recomp and less fat gain caused by a refeed.
But expect weight to vary more due to water shift.

Its as you wish.
You can cut carbs but you worry about muscle loss then keeping carbs up(energi levels up) will be your best option.

And gear will also greatly help.

I would say due to the use of gear just pick the easiest type of diet that you can follow in a deficit for a prolonged period of time and stick to it.

Muscle loss on anabolics should be minimal.

Good luck

Ok thank you for your intervent. Just one more thing... if i keep carb up... what deficit could be related to?

[MR-FQ320]

ok thank you for your intervent. Just one more thing... If i keep carb up... What deficit could be related to?

tdee

[qscgugcsq]

Do you know whats a calorie is...

Cause those kind of question indicates me that you are WAY WAY not ready gor steroids...

Knowing whats a deficit/surplus is the most basic thing you should know...

I would advise you to return to the basic learn whats macros are and how to properly use them...

I would guess that your training is also extremelly deficient.(quick tip: dont listen to any pros... most are clueless and they look good despite their bad training method due to excellent genetic and massive amount of gear...)
You might aswell not need any steroids to reach your goal.

Good luck

[Slacker78]

Do you know whats a calorie is...

Cause those kind of question indicates me that you are WAY WAY not ready gor steroids...

Knowing whats a deficit/surplus is the most basic thing you should know...

I would advise you to return to the basic learn whats macros are and how to properly use them...

I would guess that your training is also extremelly deficient.(quick tip: dont listen to any pros... most are clueless and they look good despite their bad training method due to excellent genetic and massive amount of gear...)
You might aswell not need any steroids to reach your goal.

Good luck

Not properly... i'm Italian one and i'm not totally familiar with English terms and their real meaning in this field; if you talk about deficit, i suppose to balance macros to adjust the ratio of carb/fats regarding TDEE and resulting calories: never heard to lower calories adjusting proteins quantity also, as the proteins provision could be maintained always up (about 2,5 grams/kg... in Italian measure unit of the body mass ). If we could adjust proteins intake depending on cutting or lean mass, i suppose that proteins intake should be variable too, about from 2,5 in lean mass to about 4 grams/kg in cutting to balance the macros distribution in diet/TDEE. Correct me if i wrong it about...