Should i really eat this much?

[BigMan65]

I've been trying out some of the diets listed on the site left side bar..

and wow, thats alot of food.... i just started this new routine within the week... at 6' 200 lbs.

i'd like to lose to body fat, here the thing though....

by the end of meal two (for me around 9am) as listed on the average diet for males....i will have eaten more than i had during an entire day before starting this new diet attempt.

im not trying to gain muscle at all thats never been a problem, my only goal is fat loss really.

should i really eat this much? it seems illogical that im going to lose fat while eating more than 3x the amount i used to eat.....?

[Wintermaul]

I've been trying out some of the diets listed on the site left side bar..

Not sure i understand what diet you are referring to. Could you elaborate or paste it here?
Baisc thing is normally people tend to eat very little clean food, so when they understand that actually clean food instead of shakes etc fill you up more they think oh man thats too much. Normally a man should consume 2500kcal or 3000kcal if he trains with weights. This is NORMAL. And thats an amount chicken and rice. If you're dedicated BB'er you need alot more, if you do physical work, you need more, and so on.

[RaginCajun]

you were probably not eating enough to begin with, thus, you not losing any weight. you were probably starving yourself.

you need to figure out what you need to maintain your current weight and go from there.

[Motardpdx]

Hi, you need your BF% and your TDEE. This might be useful..http://forums.steroid.com/diet-nutri...penditure.html Plus, use something to track your Macro, like myfitnespal. Cheers!

[BigMan65]

somehting tells me this wont paste well, but here it is.

RED Day Diet:

Meal 1:

-15 egg whites or liquid equivalent

-1 cup oatmeal


(1)KCL: 547, PT: 60, Carb: 54, Fat:3

Always before training

Meal 2:

-8oz chicken

-1 cup of green beans or asparagus

-1oz almonds or cashews


(2)KCL: 415, PT: 50, Carb: 10, Fat: 14

Any time of day

Meal 3:

-Same as meal 2


(3) KCL: 415, PT: 50, Carb: 10, Fat: 14

Any time of day

Meal 4:

-50g of whey isolate in water


(4) KCL: 209. PT: 50, Carb: 0, Fat: 1

Any time of day

Meal 5:

-8oz chicken

-8oz of sweet potato


(5)KCL: 420, PT: 54, Carb: 41, fat 0

Always after training

Meal 6:

-8oz chicken

-1 cup of green beans or asparagus


(6)KCL: 250, PT: 50, Carb: 5, Fat: 0

Always your last meal of the day

Daily Totals:

Calories (KCL): 2256

Protein (PT): 314

Carb: 120

Fat: 32

*Note: Diet makes an estimate for calories and carbs from green vegetables. This may take your carb total over the amount listed but dont let this worry you at all. The diet also takes into account protein from all sources including, oats, and rice, etc. This means your protein source is actually slightly lower in terms of your main source of protein based foods.

BLUE Day Diet

Meal 1:

--5 egg whites or liquid equivalent

-2 cup oatmeal


(1)KCL:682, PT: 37.5, Carb:108, Fat: 6

Meal order is not of great importance on this day one exception

Meal 2:

-6 oz chicken

-2cups of rice


(2)KCL: 618, PT:46, Carb: 90, Fat: 4

Meal order is not of great importance on this day one exception

Meal 3:

-Same as meal 1


(3)KCL:682, PT: 37.5, Carb:108, Fat: 6

Meal order is not of great importance on this day one exception

Meal 4:

-Same as meal 2


(4)KCL: 618, PT:46, Carb: 90, Fat: 4

Meal order is not of great importance on this day one exception

Meal 5:

--6oz chicken

-12oz of sweet potato


(5)KCL: 486, PT: 36, Carb: 72, fat 0

Meal order is not of great importance on this day one exception

Meal 6:

-25g of whey isolate in water

-1 cup of oatmeal


(6)KCL: 509, PT:35, Carb:54, Fat: 4

Always the last meal of the day

Daily Totals:

Calories (KCL): 3595

Protein (PT): 238

Carb: 522

Fat: 24

*Note: The diet takes into account protein from all sources including, oats, and rice, etc. This means your protein source is actually slightly lower in terms of your main source of protein based foods.

GREEN Day Diet

Meal 1:

-5 Whole Eggs

-4 Egg whites


(1)KCL: 441, PT: 44, Carb: 5, Fat: 25

Meal order is not important

Meal 2:

-8oz Chicken

-1/4 cup almonds or cashews


(2)KCL: 568, PT: 60, Carb: 10, Fat: 28

Meal order is not important

Meal 3:

-50g whey isolate in water

-1&1/2 tbsp Natural peanut butter


(3)KCL: 349, PT:56, Carb: 4, Fat: 13

Meal order is not important

Meal 4:

-6oz Salmon

-1 cup green beans or asparagus


(4)KCL: 418, PT: 48, Carbs: 2, Fat: 24

Meal order is not important

Meal 5:

-Same as meal 3


(5)KCL: 349, PT:56, Carb: 2, Fat: 15

Meal order is not important

Meal 6:

-Same as meal 2


(6)KCL: 568, PT: 60, Carb: 10, Fat: 28

Meal order is not important

Daily Totals:

Calories (KCL): 2693

Protein (PT): 324

Carb: 31

Fat: 135

[BigMan65]

Monday - Thursday
Daily Totals:
Calories (KCL): 2256
Protein (PT): 314
Carb: 120
Fat: 32

Friday
Daily Total:
Calories (KCL): 3595
Protein (PT): 238
Carb: 522
Fat: 24

Sat and SUnday
Daily Totals:
Calories (KCL): 2693
Protein (PT): 324
Carb: 31
Fat: 135

[-Horus-]

Monday - Thursday
Daily Totals:
Calories (KCL): 2256
Protein (PT): 314
Carb: 120
Fat: 32

Friday
Daily Total:
Calories (KCL): 3595
Protein (PT): 238
Carb: 522
Fat: 24

Sat and SUnday
Daily Totals:
Calories (KCL): 2693
Protein (PT): 324
Carb: 31
Fat: 135

carb cycling method for fat loss I really like myself, seems like that is what you are doing?
what you "are supposed to be eating" is an estimation, not everyones system is the same. BUT I agree with the guys if you were eating 3x less then you were likely starving yourself and did not even know it, that means fatloss would slow down, plus its not good for you of course.
I am not saying you should be eating exactly that much, but I am saying you need to take another look at what your doing and fine tune it.
good luck!

[BigMan65]

yep , carb cycling..

okay i think something isnt right....i swear iv gained 10 lbs in less than a week.

do you think maybe my body isnt used to metabolising food? i think before i started this diet i was geting MAYBE 1200-1500 calories a day max.

you know, i really thought jay cutler was an ass for saying "i dont look forward to eating anything" as if he were just moaning and groaning, but i am really starting to agree with him.

the crazy thing, if the above numbers werent ridiculous enough, is think about this: I started thiscarb cycling diet just last saturday, to lose fat.... after having gone from 175 to 200 within the 2014 year.

so i basically gained all that weight 25 lbs, be it muscle or fat or both, on 1200-1500 calories a day max, and im an outdoors laborer.

is this common?

[Wintermaul]

yep , carb cycling..

okay i think something isnt right....i swear iv gained 10 lbs in less than a week.

do you think maybe my body isnt used to metabolising food? i think before i started this diet i was geting MAYBE 1200-1500 calories a day max.

you know, i really thought jay cutler was an ass for saying "i dont look forward to eating anything" as if he were just moaning and groaning, but i am really starting to agree with him.

the crazy thing, if the above numbers werent ridiculous enough, is think about this: I started thiscarb cycling diet just last saturday, to lose fat.... after having gone from 175 to 200 within the 2014 year.

so i basically gained all that weight 25 lbs, be it muscle or fat or both, on 1200-1500 calories a day max, and im an outdoors laborer.

is this common?

Do you have your TDEE now? You really should. My GF eats more than 1500kcal a day on diet. If you have lived on 1500kcal for some time your body is used to this. Then you should slowly increase, not start on twice as much right away. The body needs to get used to a new diet. If you suddenly start eating twice as much of-course it will add some mass on you, either its fat or muscle or both. You should really calculate your TDEE so you know how much you need. Its like shooting in the dark just to start a random diet based on another mans TDEE.
The diet it self is nothing magic here, its a basic carb-cycling diet. But you should adjust it to YOU.

[BigMan65]

thanks

i just googled TDEE found a calculator and it calculated 3262.

out of curiousity i kept all entrys the same and adjusted the activity level to "desk job" and it still read 2525.

hmmmm....my guess regarding the cause of the 25 lbs of weight gain of 2014 was that i had just quit taking the devil drug adderall which i had been precribed and used every day for the 7 years prior to 2014.... during which i would imagine i probly took in even less than 1000 calories day during that dark period.

[zempey]

I calculated between 4700-5000, it is such a PITA to eat that much day in, day out.

[RaginCajun]

what is your estimated bodyfat %?

let's just say you are at 20%.

200 x 20% = 160 x 15 = 2400 cals which would be close to maintenance cals, or cals which would keep you in your current condition.

hope that helps!

[BigMan65]

id bet im 30% or 40% lol , fatty fat fat

[RaginCajun]

ok, so 200 x 35% = 130 lean body mass x 15 = 1950, so right at 2000 cals.

are you eating the diet that you pasted above? post your current diet.

and what is your weekly workout schedule?

[BigMan65]

diet exactly as posted above, at the moment, (thinking thats high after your last post)

Cardio every AM around 5:00 AM, before first meal

Back and bi's, chest and tris, legs, and shoulders (4 divided days, spread throughout the week, 1 x per week) these later in the day.

Years ago I used to focus on very heavy weight, not anymore, i dont give a damn to impress the others with my weight amounts, as i admittedly used to.

this time im going with ridiculously perfect form, and very very slow motions both up and down, the burn is extreme.
probably takes me 30 - 40 seconds to knock out a single 10 rep set.

did legs today, could barely walk out of the gym without buckling my knees (it felt like anyway) very shaky.

[RaginCajun]

yeah man, you were eating above your tdee. surplus cals = stored fat/energy

my suggestion is to eat around 2000cals a day, and see how your body responds. if in around 2-4 weeks you are gaining weight, then you can adjust, and vice versa.

[BigMan65]

oops....i did some measurement and looked at some example pics.... okay id say im between 17-23% BFP
call it 20%?
so 2400 maintenace.....alright ill try to cut it down to 2000 and see what happens after 30 days

i bet i'll be 220 by then using this carb cycle diet we'll see, I'll keep you posted. Thanks for the help guys!

[RaginCajun]

oops....i did some measurement and looked at some example pics.... okay id say im between 17-23% BFP
call it 20%?
so 2400 maintenace.....alright ill try to cut it down to 2000 and see what happens after 30 days

i bet i'll be 220 by then using this carb cycle diet we'll see, I'll keep you posted. Thanks for the help guys!

just make a log and go from there!

Consistency is the magic pill!

[BigMan65]

Tried to clean the diet chart up some.

[papersteroidguy]

Great topic.

[BigMan65]

I'll be damned if I havent lost 3 lbs....whodathunkit.

I bet its water though.