VET looking to pick your brain on cycle

[ANIMAL]

I've been on TRT @ 120mg/week, test levels at this dosage is 770 (Was taking 160mg/week and my levels were 1500). Also running 300mcg sermorelin and 100mcg GHRP-2 as well as 500iu HCG/week and Arimidex .5mg day after test pin.

I have a bunch of cycles under my belt, only using test and a few with test/anavar. I'm looking to add a compound such as deca or NPP. 29, currently at 169 lbs. ~10% BF 5'4. Diet is on point, as is training. Eating roughly 3,500 calories, will adjust depending on how I react to compounds.

Proposed cycle 16 or 18 weeks:

1-16 Test C Rx 200mg/week (too low?)
8-16 Anavar 50mg/day
1-16 Deca 400mg/week or NPP ???mg/week
1-16 HCG 500iu/week
1-16 Nolvadex 20mg/day (gyno sensitive)
1-16 Arimidex Rx 1mg EOD
Prami on hand

Will probably drop the sermorelin as I don't think it's doing much, I've been on it for 9 months. Any suggestions is appreciated.

[kelkel]

Do you mean 200mg test total or 200 x 2 per week?
Drop the deca two weeks before the test.
I'd start with anavar, but that's just what I prefer
Nolva at 10mgs will be fine. Save the rest.
You don't need 1mg eod adex. Don't try to over-compensate for being gyno sensitive. The nolva will cover you there. Just get BW to check levels about 6 weeks in (be sure it's E-sensitive) and adjust from there.

[musclestack]

OP, Kelkel helped you out here. He's very knowledgeable when it comes to TRT and AAS usage in general.

Kelkel, does he need to drop the Deca 2 weeks before the test if he's going to go back on TRT dosage after his cycle? Just curious.

[kelkel]

Kelkel, does he need to drop the Deca 2 weeks before the test if he's going to go back on TRT dosage after his cycle? Just curious.

Good catch and you're correct. I forgot he was on TRT. He does not have to at all. Hell, I run low dose deca as part of my TRT protocol.

Thanks musclestack!

[NACH3]

Good catch and you're correct. I forgot he was on TRT. He does not have to at all. Hell, I run low dose deca as part of my TRT protocol.

Thanks musclestack!

Kel, is that(deca) part of your protocol? I'm trying for it as well(joints)...

[Joco71]

Good catch and you're correct. I forgot he was on TRT. He does not have to at all. Hell, I run low dose deca as part of my TRT protocol.

Thanks musclestack!

Hey Kel if you don't mind sharing what is your doseage on the decca? Also do you feel it has made a big impact on joints, Shoulders elbow knees ect? Thank you!!

[kelkel]

Kel, is that(deca) part of your protocol? I'm trying for it as well(joints)...

Hey Kel if you don't mind sharing what is your doseage on the decca? Also do you feel it has made a big impact on joints, Shoulders elbow knees ect? Thank you!!

Yes, it's written by my doc but you have to get it compounded which is ridiculously expensive, so I source it myself (doc knows) as I can literally get 5 bottles for the cost of one compounded. Insurance used to pay for it then they found a way to weasel out of it. Fvckers.

125 mgs per week and yes, it helps Joco. Keep an eye on BW if you add it to your protocol.

[NACH3]

Yes, it's written by my doc but you have to get it compounded which is ridiculously expensive, so I source it myself (doc knows) as I can literally get 5 bottles for the cost of one compounded. Insurance used to pay for it then they found a way to weasel out of it. Fvckers.

125 mgs per week and yes, it helps Joco. Keep an eye on BW if you add it to your protocol.

Thx Kel, that was what I was getting at, the cost/coverage...

[ANIMAL]

Do you mean 200mg test total or 200 x 2 per week?
Drop the deca two weeks before the test.
I'd start with anavar, but that's just what I prefer
Nolva at 10mgs will be fine. Save the rest.
You don't need 1mg eod adex. Don't try to over-compensate for being gyno sensitive. The nolva will cover you there. Just get BW to check levels about 6 weeks in (be sure it's E-sensitive) and adjust from there.

Not a good idea to do 200mg/week for the test? What dose would you recommend with the adex? Is NPP not a good choice, just stick with deca? I can start with the anavar, that's no problem.

[NACH3]

try NPP if you haven't... Great compound(shorter ester) my first cycle w/a 19nor and it was by far the best in all aspects... If you don't like it you could always just replace and frontload w/it then backload the var...Just my .02

[ANIMAL]

try NPP if you haven't... Great compound(shorter ester) my first cycle w/a 19nor and it was by far the best in all aspects... If you don't like it you could always just replace and frontload w/it then backload the var...Just my .02

What kind of mg/week for NPP is a good amount to start with on a first run? That's EOD correct? Is 200mg/week too low for NPP? What about the Arimidex dosage? If 1mg EOD is too much, is .5mg EOD better, or 1mg E3D?

[kelkel]

Not a good idea to do 200mg/week for the test? What dose would you recommend with the adex? Is NPP not a good choice, just stick with deca? I can start with the anavar, that's no problem.

200mgs per week is high end TRT, not a cycle dosage. What's wrong with 500? Even 400.
Adex dosage will depend on how much T you use or other compounds that may aromatize. BW at 5-6 weeks will help guide you.
Consider a 500mg per week test cycle the norm is .25 eod. Do the math with what you were thinking and you'd crash your E in short order, imho.
NPP or Deca? More pins, less pins, your call. I'd probably stick with the long ester for less pins with what you are proposing.

[NACH3]

What kind of mg/week for NPP is a good amount to start with on a first run? That's EOD correct? Is 200mg/week too low for NPP? What about the Arimidex dosage? If 1mg EOD is too much, is .5mg EOD better, or 1mg E3D?

It's definitely a preference thing(as Kel stated) more pinning on NPP(eod is fine)... I went w/600prop/420ish+ NPP - best cycle I've had!

I would go w/500 test as well, standard dose for test while on... Are you very sensitive to Estro conversion? Is that why your proposing 200mgs wk of test... Just curious? Deca is fine too... All depends on what your goals are.

[RASIL]

Good catch and you're correct. I forgot he was on TRT. He does not have to at all. Hell, I run low dose deca as part of my TRT protocol.

Thanks musclestack!

This may be the dumbest question ever asked, but when you say you run decca as part of your TRT does that mean you are running decca all the time??

[ANIMAL]

The reason I was asking if 200mg/week of Test would suffice, is because my test is prescribed, I didn't want my levels to be at 4000. Obviously there are more potential sides with a higher test dose compared to 200mg/week, so I was more opt. to letting the deca take control with that dose. I'm thinking 400mg of each test and deca is probably what I'm going to end up doing, along with the anavar at 50mg/day.

[kelkel]

This may be the dumbest question ever asked, but when you say you run decca as part of your TRT does that mean you are running decca all the time??

Pretty much, yes.

The reason I was asking if 200mg/week of Test would suffice, is because my test is prescribed, I didn't want my levels to be at 4000. Obviously there are more potential sides with a higher test dose compared to 200mg/week, so I was more opt. to letting the deca take control with that dose. I'm thinking 400mg of each test and deca is probably what I'm going to end up doing, along with the anavar at 50mg/day.

Ok, get some minimal BW done after 6 weeks. Be sure to check E2 Sensitive and have a DA on hand just in case.

[NACH3]

The reason I was asking if 200mg/week of Test would suffice, is because my test is prescribed, I didn't want my levels to be at 4000. Obviously there are more potential sides with a higher test dose compared to 200mg/week, so I was more opt. to letting the deca take control with that dose. I'm thinking 400mg of each test and deca is probably what I'm going to end up doing, along with the anavar at 50mg/day.

Are you going to frontload or backload the var? I've always liked to backload it but if your running longer esters than maybe frontloading would be better in this case(+ you can run var for say 8wks w/liver support of course)...

[ANIMAL]

Are you going to frontload or backload the var? I've always liked to backload it but if your running longer esters than maybe frontloading would be better in this case(+ you can run var for say 8wks w/liver support of course)...

I think I am going to do the first 8 weeks with the var, and then when it's done, the test should be at it's peak. Super concerned with the AI dosing with deca.

[Sfla80]

Op u got it covered with these two vets nach and kel.

But have to put my two cents in.....The bar dose is rather low. 400 each test and deca would be good. But anavar for men....goes upwards of 100mg a day.

[ANIMAL]

Op u got it covered with these two vets nach and kel.

But have to put my two cents in.....The bar dose is rather low. 400 each test and deca would be good. But anavar for men....goes upwards of 100mg a day.

I've had great results with 50mg/day in the past. Perhaps my var is super strong, but I've tried 100mg and my blood pressure went through the roof, and the pumps were ridiculous that I couldn't even lift. I MAY try it again at the higher dose.

Yes, kel has always helped me over the years, awesome support!

[NACH3]

I think I am going to do the first 8 weeks with the var, and then when it's done, the test should be at it's peak. Super concerned with the AI dosing with deca.

Thx Sfla man yeah always out your .02 cents in its extremely valuable and unless it's RX var Op try 60-80 on lower side first and monitor your BP...Yeah I kike the frontload b/c if the longer esters... I like 8 wks...

Why are you scared of the AI dose... You have experience w/this just use the normal protocol .25 liquidex for then pull bloods it'll be the perfect time as var doesn't aromatize and you'll be getting a pretty accurate reading on your test Deca dose!