22 yrs Old, 9 months on TRT, Can I Come Off and Recover?

[MikeHalloway]

I made a lot of very stupid decisions and used steroids on several cycles from when I was 19 until 21. I always took as much or more time off between cycles and followed some kind of PCT, although it could have been much better. The last cycle I did: 12 wks 600 mg Test, 9 wks 400 mg Deca, and 6 wks 50mg/ed Dbol with .5-1mg Arimidex eod gave me a horrible "recovery". My half-wit PCT was 40/40/20/20/10/10 Nolva.

I felt awful after it, weak, tired, no libido, poor to no erections, and brain fog. Worse than after any other cycle. I freaked out and jumped the gun thinking I was doomed and found a shady clinic that prescribed me TRT. Stupid, I know, believe me...I just felt so awful I couldn't wait any longer. Fast Fwrd 9 months and here I am today thinking perhaps I would have recovered naturally if I just let my body do its thing and waited it out longer.

My question to you all is, based on my blood work do you think it is possible if I stopped my TRT now and began a PCT process could I recover my natural test levels or is it too late?
I've grown up a lot and would have done things so much differently had I known what I do now.

I have no prior AAS use blood work sadly so I don't know my pre-AAS test levels. These are the 4 bw tests I got after my last cycle ended and before I went to TRT. My cycle was from 1/20 - 4/14. My PCT lasted from 4/29 - 6/10.

Test #1. 5/22/14
Testosterone, Serum 368 348-1197 ng/dL

Test #2. 6/16/14
Testosterone, Serum 589 348-1197 ng/dL
LH 8.3 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL
FSH 6.5 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL
Estradiol 64.3 7.6-42.6 pg/mL

Test #3. 7/25/14
Testosterone, Serum 406 348-1197 ng/dL
LH 5.6 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL
FSH 4.6 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL
Estradiol 37.9 7.6-42.6 pg/mL


Test #4. 8/26/14
Testosterone, Serum 348 348-1197 ng/dL
LH 7.8 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL
FSH 5.3 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL
Estradiol 25.2 7.6-42.6 pg/mL


Do you think based on my blood work, I have a shot at recovering from TRT with good test levels or would I be better off sticking to TRT? I feel like maybe my T levels would've rebounded if I had waited another month since the e2 was becoming more stable.

[MikeHalloway]

Bump.

[kelkel]

Of course you have a shot. You'll never know unless you try. Your LH/FSH numbers are fine and I'd think your T would be higher. This leads me to think something else may have been inhibiting your endogenous test production during that time. That said, cross that bridge after your restart.

Consider a normal pct of clomid and nolva then full BW (in the Finding A Doc sticky) about 8 weeks after to see what's up. If you're not running HCG while currently on trt consider either doing so for a period of time before coming off or following the Scally Power PCT Protocol. Google it.

Again, at your age it's worth a shot!

[jimmyinkedup]

I agree with Kel and if I were you I would definitely give it a go. I would use some HCG for a week to 10 days and then run nolva at 40/20/20/20/20/20 and clomid at 100/50/50/50/50/25/25. Wait about 6-8 weeks (8 is better IMO) after you stop the serms and get blood work. This will give you an accurate picture of your recovery.

[MikeHalloway]

Thank both of you so much! One last question, my TSH levels are fairly high being at a 6.1 and a 4.1 on recent blood work and losing fat has always been an issue for me. It's kind of a stretch but if I had hypothyroidism would that impact my T levels since it all ties in with the pituitary gland?

[jimmyinkedup]

Thank both of you so much! One last question, my TSH levels are fairly high being at a 6.1 and a 4.1 on recent blood work and losing fat has always been an issue for me. It's kind of a stretch but if I had hypothyroidism would that impact my T levels since it all ties in with the pituitary gland?

Not a stretch at all. There is a definite correlation between hypothyroidism and hypogonadism. Its bears your attention to be sure.

[kelkel]

Not a stretch at all. There is a definite correlation between hypothyroidism and hypogonadism. Its bears your attention to be sure.

X2. Take some time and read up at stopthethyroidmadness.com.

[MikeHalloway]

I have some hcg and a little nolva but nothing too much. In the event I couldn't secure enough supplies for a decent PCT, would a recovery be near pointless?

[MikeHalloway]

X2. Take some time and read up at stopthethyroidmadness.com.

I was just on that site recently. Thanks!

[kelkel]

Look at the site sponsor for nolva and clomid. Use google and you can secure HCG. Have it all in hand before you start.

[MikeHalloway]

Okay. If it is a liquid version used for research, do I give it to my rats orally or with IM injections?

[Joco71]

Go to site sponsor ARR and get what you need.

[jimmyinkedup]

Okay. If it is a liquid version used for research, do I give it to my rats orally or with IM injections?

It is taken orally, measured out via oral syringe....

[MikeHalloway]

You all have been so helpful, thank you so much. I hope anyone young like me in my shoes reads this, and it helps them out as well. I wouldn't want anyone to make the same mistakes I did.

[MikeHalloway]

How much hcg should I be running for 7-10 days? Should I use 500iu ED or more?

[kelkel]

Google the Power PCT Protocol I mentioned. Get an idea and adjust based on your allotted time.

[MikeHalloway]

Awesome, thank you!