Cycle Advice 12weeker

[Ronon]

Hi,

I've posted here before and got some great advice so figured I'd toss this cycle out there for some critiques and opinions.
I'm 6'5, 230lbs, Bf about 9%, 26, and this would be my third cycle.
I'm aiming for an 8 week bulking phase followed by a 4 week shred. Opinions on using 2 orals in the same cycle?

Test
Week 1-8- Test E 375mg E3D
Week 9-12- Test Prop 150mg EOD

Orals
Week 1-4- TBol 40mg/day
Week 9-12- Clen 50-120mcg, have never done it before so not sure what my proper dose will be

Ancillaries
Week 1-12- Aromasin 12.5mg/day
Week 1-12- HCG 250IU E3D

PCT
Week 13-16- Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

I will also have an on cycle support....thinking N2Guard, any other suggestions are welcome, and possibly some Liv52. Will be tanning to control possible acne and have a special shampoo for possible hair loss. Anything I missed? Any suggestions?


Thanks!

[NACH3]

Clomid in your pct - should consist of both clomid and nolvadex(they work in synergy together)
Clomid 75/50/50/50. Nolva 40/40/20/20... If you can't use clomid then use Toremiphene(Torem) dome say clomid causes them bad sides... That's why I brought this up

Your only running one oral - but on s 12 wk cycle I wouldn't run two orals(well t-Bol is mild, and so is var so that would be something to consider - since one can run either of those for 8 wks max)

You'll have to see what fose of clen works best for you - personally I haven't ran it b4 and I do t like the shakes do im cool . But EC stack or a cleaner stimulant(albut from what I've read and heard - I'll be trying that) but just titrate your clen dose up till you reach your desired goals and what you can handle

[Buster Brown]

A bulk/shred......I think your chasing your tail but that's me. Two orals ....one to front load and one to backload is doable. Some will just add prop on top at the end but your already using prop at the end so you can start pct earlier. Clen for the 100 cals you are going to burn a day vs the sides I don't think it's really worth it as I have tried it a few times. In the stickies austinite has a good everything you need know about Clen type thread that will give you everything you need to get started. I prefer t3 over Clen or the Eca stack.

[NACH3]

A bulk/shred......I think your chasing your tail but that's me. Two orals ....one to front load and one to backload is doable. Some will just add prop on top at the end but your already using prop at the end so you can start pct earlier. Clen for the 100 cals you are going to burn a day vs the sides I don't think it's really worth it as I have tried it a few times. In the stickies austinite has a good everything you need know about Clen type thread that will give you everything you need to get started. I prefer t3 over Clen or the Eca stack.

I agree w/trying to achieve too much all in one cycle... But if your really 9% then I guess it's doable(as long as your diet/training program are On point)... Make sure you keep your diet as clean/strict as possible - even on a bulk you can drop bf while gaining size!

[Ronon]

Clomid in your pct - should consist of both clomid and nolvadex(they work in synergy together)
Clomid 75/50/50/50. Nolva 40/40/20/20... If you can't use clomid then use Toremiphene(Torem) dome say clomid causes them bad sides... That's why I brought this up

Your only running one oral - but on s 12 wk cycle I wouldn't run two orals(well t-Bol is mild, and so is var so that would be something to consider - since one can run either of those for 8 wks max)

You'll have to see what fose of clen works best for you - personally I haven't ran it b4 and I do t like the shakes do im cool . But EC stack or a cleaner stimulant(albut from what I've read and heard - I'll be trying that) but just titrate your clen dose up till you reach your desired goals and what you can handle

I was debating that too, dropping the clen and doing weeks 1-4 tbol followed by 5-12 var. I've heard lots of negatives about clen. Will definitely look into the torem, not a fan of clomid

[NACH3]

I was debating that too, dropping the clen and doing weeks 1-4 tbol followed by 5-12 var. I've heard lots of negatives about clen. Will definitely look into the torem, not a fan of clomid

That's what I gathered(since the rest of your cycle looks good) so I brought up Torem! The site dponsor carries it for your research purposes . I've not run clen but if I did run anything for that type of NRG(albut gor pre w/o's I've been really looking into now) too many negatives to positives /sides ratio isn't worth it imo... Thsts just from hearing/and reading experienced users lol

[Buster Brown]

I was debating that too, dropping the clen and doing weeks 1-4 tbol followed by 5-12 var. I've heard lots of negatives about clen. Will definitely look into the torem, not a fan of clomid

Torem/nov is a great pct.....I switched when the sides from clo became too much. I can't say I recovered "better" but I was def easier to be around.