Cop Pulls Gun and Manhandles Black Teen Girl at Pool Party

[Metalject]

The whole thing is insanely ridiculous but the main insanity starts at around 3min in.

You idiots that say all cops are bad, kill the cops and all of that, you are idiots.
But you people who blindly support the police and make comments about doing their job, you don't understand the danger they put up with, you're just as big of an idiot.

There is undoubtedly a cop problem in the US, but it stems from a larger problem, our government. Cops are just an arm of the problem.

[hawk14dl]

That guys got stripes too. . He'll be fired and likely sued.

most cops are good. There are some like this guy that give them a bad rap

[davidtheman100]

Look at 3 when he detains the girl justifiably and then all of them run over ready to jump the officer..More than one offense and breach of the law is going on at once and these people never learn and keep disrespecting police and pushing their limits..Girl gets detained and asked to put hands behind her back "I'm calling my momma on god" and starts slapping her hands together..Put your ****ing hands behind your back of corse he is going to detain you further dumb F*ck..Then the reactions of these people who already have the scenario of police brutality made up in their heads are priceless..Like the girl is being killed...These cops cannot do their job correctly because of all liberal and democratic public figures at the top of the plitically correct social hierarchy that make up/botch scenarios with their high budget news stories, and pretend like they give a f*ck just to get elected or make more money..Just like Obama did..Why don't some of these people go back and watch some of Obama's debates and see if he went through with any of his words..For all those people trying to start something and waiting for the cop to make a bad move so that they could say to their friends that they were there when the breaking news story happened...They did a good job..Keep in mind it was only the girl that resisted that was detained further..Not the 3 other men arrested and cooperating..Little authority and all the anti-gun and feminine caitlyn jenner males start to fiend over it and drink it up like some nice lemonade on a hot summers day..I'd like to see them go one day without their bodyguards or their constant protection..hah

[Brett N]

For what? Firstly nobody knows what happened at the 3 minute mark because she was out of view and u couldn't hear

Excessive force? No. She was told to get on the ground and she resisted. Everyone was getting yelled at to disperse and leave the scene. When crowds gather, that's when someone does something stupid to try and show off or prove their tough. It's also when random shots get fired.

I really think this video is a non issue, cop may be told he needs to turn it down a bit but nothing should or will happen to him.

Makes me sound old but when I was a kid and an officer told you to go home, you went out of his site. You didn't argue back.

Does anyone know why the cops were called in the first place? I heard something about underage drinking I thought.

[davidtheman100]

Great post Brett you don't sound old you sound intelligent

[hawk14dl]

Unfortunately, there are -0- situations an officer should use this demeanor. I have many friends in law enforcement. I've been on the end of this type of scenario. You can't chase down every kid that runs from a pool party with evidently 2-300 people. It's not possible. You break up the party, arrest who's responsible for providing to the minors, and possibly the stragglers.

[Hazard]

Out by me there's people protesting because their son was shot and killed. They put a casket infront of that towns police station and they're trying to make this into something it isn't. They're calling it excessive force.... I guess someone hasn't told em that their son had a machete in his hand and came at the officer......

This shit is getting old

[RA]

The original story was neighbors saw to many black faces at the pool so they called the cops. I knew that was bs. From what I read there was an argument/fight and cops were called. They show up and tell them to disperse and are told no. Nine more units are called in and what follows is a bunch of idiots trying to bait the cops. One officer takes the bait. He should have used his head a little more and remained calm.

[PrettyPlease?]

Unfortunately for the two men sitting on the ground looks like they just showed up at the wrong time.

There is definitely a lot more to the story though, regardless, the officer could have handled the situation much better as his fellow officers appeared to be doing.

[TheChosen1]

The whole thing is insanely ridiculous but the main insanity starts at around 3min in.

You idiots that say all cops are bad, kill the cops and all of that, you are idiots.
But you people who blindly support the police and make comments about doing their job, you don't understand the danger they put up with, you're just as big of an idiot.

There is undoubtedly a cop problem in the US, but it stems from a larger problem, our government. Cops are just an arm of the problem.

Been there....done that. I was in LE for a decade from the late 80s to late 90s. We knew the ones on the job who were there to do the job that the citizens pay them to do and the ones who wanted the perks of having a badge and a gun. That guy totally ****ed up because the girl walked away as she was told. He pulled her back and forced her on the ground for unknown reasons, while the other female teen screamed that he had struck her. Trust me, he'll be pushing pencils and filing papers for a while.

[kelkel]

Fvck her, she resisted arrest.

[hawk14dl]

The question is, arrest for what?

That appears to be a public sidewalk. The officer honestly has no ability to make anyone leave a public sidewalk.

I usually side with police. But from this video, it appears the officer was the instigator

[austinite]

Fvck her, she resisted arrest.

Bring that filthy mouth over here. I miss it.

[kelkel]

Bring that filthy mouth over here. I miss it.

You just wait.....

[RA]

Get a room.

Bring that filthy mouth over here. I miss it.

[austinite]

We have one.

[kelkel]

The question is, arrest for what?

Whether the arrest is justified will be determined by the court, not litigated on the street, which seems to be the common theme with so many of these videos.

[Metalject]

Street litigation should never occur, and this idea of guilty by street litigation has gotten out of hand. Even within the justice system itself we see examples of it in Baltimore with the prosecutor walking a very thin line in this regard. However, videos can still be very telling and there are certain instances in life where right and wrong can be seen without a trial. Sure, if and when it comes to punishment a trial is needed, but it's not needed to state and point out obvious wrongs. A teenage girl in nothing but a bathing suit needs to be handled like that by a grown man? If a cop were putting another's life in danger (not saying that was happening here) by standers should stand by because he's a cop? If the incident was so out of control and these children were such a threat, why was the officers partner just standing there calmly as well as speaking calmly to the kids?

[RA]

End game is to federalize cops. Doesn't really matter if he was right or wrong. You get enough of these propaganda videos out there, the ignorant masses will clamor for a change.

[djgreen]

why did he feel the need to pull his gun on unarmed upset kids and curse like a sailor I honestly don't care how mad he is its is his job to keep a cool head

[kelkel]

Street litigation should never occur, and this idea of guilty by street litigation has gotten out of hand. Even within the justice system itself we see examples of it in Baltimore with the prosecutor walking a very thin line in this regard. However, videos can still be very telling and there are certain instances in life where right and wrong can be seen without a trial. Sure, if and when it comes to punishment a trial is needed, but it's not needed to state and point out obvious wrongs. A teenage girl in nothing but a bathing suit needs to be handled like that by a grown man? If a cop were putting another's life in danger (not saying that was happening here) by standers should stand by because he's a cop? If the incident was so out of control and these children were such a threat, why was the officers partner just standing there calmly as well as speaking calmly to the kids?

Verbal litigation definitely should not occur, but it's commonplace and leads to more violence.
Certain video's do clearly show right and wrong. This isn't one of them. It's much more subjective.
What she's wearing has nothing to do with this. She was told she was under arrest and did not comply. What's the cop supposed to do, say never mind?

The comment "if a cop was putting someone else's life in danger should by-standers stand by because he's a cop." Again that's subjective. But the reverse of that seems to always occur. Citizens are lightning quick to whip out their phones to video it but won't jump in to help. Either way, it's just a matter of opinion unless we are all experts at judging right and wrong and making instant assessments without knowing all the facts.

[Metalject]

End game is to federalize cops. Doesn't really matter if he was right or wrong. You get enough of these propaganda videos out there, the ignorant masses will clamor for a change.

I fear a federalized police is where we're headed, which would be the worst possible thing we could do.

[kelkel]

I fear a federalized police is where we're headed, which would be the worst possible thing we could do.

I think it would be too much of a constitutional issue. Taking away states rights, etc. Due to that I don't think it will ever happen. But Obama does have that phone and pen.....

[lovbyts]

why did he feel the need to pull his gun on unarmed upset kids and curse like a sailor I honestly don't care how mad he is its is his job to keep a cool head

Yes and no. The kids looked like there were about ready to jump him so by pulling his gun he did diffuse the situation and keep that from happening.

I have mixed feelings about it but as pointed out, we dont know why there were called and everything that happened. They mostly were trying to get control of the situation and a lot of people were not cooperating obviously. I know I would not want to be in that position on either side. It's easy to get caught up in the moment.

I would arrest her also. She has a nice little body. I think she was in need of being searched for concealed weapons.

[Metalject]

Verbal litigation definitely should not occur, but it's commonplace and leads to more violence.
Certain video's do clearly show right and wrong. This isn't one of them. It's much more subjective.
What she's wearing has nothing to do with this. She was told she was under arrest and did not comply. What's the cop supposed to do, say never mind?

The comment "if a cop was putting someone else's life in danger should by-standers stand by because he's a cop." Again that's subjective. But the reverse of that seems to always occur. Citizens are lightning quick to whip out their phones to video it but won't jump in to help. Either way, it's just a matter of opinion unless we are all experts at judging right and wrong and making instant assessments without knowing all the facts.

You're right, people mostly stand by and in most cases they should. In the majority of police and citizen interaction there's nothing anyone should do, but that's also not the argument. But in the cases of police misconduct, most stand by because they're petrified of the police. Obviously "petrified" is a strong word and perhaps an overstatement in many instances, but there is a strong element of fear involved when it comes to the police held by many and that fear should not exist yet it certainly does.

The comment about what she was wearing, I was merely stating it's not like she's hiding a gun. And OK, she was told she was under arrest...maybe, I couldn't make that out either way prior. It could have just as easily been she didn't go home like the cop asked her to, it pissed him off and there you go....it's hard to say from that video, I will agree with that. But we're talking about a tiny teenage girl, a child and a grown man. I do not care how annoying she was, how much under age drinking she may have been doing or what little girl she got in a fight with (if that's what happened) that justifies the way he handled her. He was rightly put on leave until the situation is resolved one way or another.

It's the "Police are the law" mentality that I don't like. They are not the law, the law is a the law, they are not one in the same. "Protect and Serve" the slogan that more than likely adorns every precinct across the country, that does not say or imply "we are the law." Yes, police are enforcers of the law when it is broken and that is meant to enforce when men (the public) cannot take care of the issues themselves. And that leads to another separate issue, people call the police for everything now from idiotic noise complaints, women do it to threaten men, people do it to scare their neighbor...on and on it goes. But again, that's another issue that surrounds societal breakdown.

Maybe when this particular incident is done it will come out that this girl was selling meth to a 8yr old boy around the corner and stabbing another one....sure, anything's possible, and I'm not being a smartass, anything is possible. But come on, we know that's highly unlikely and unless some truly violent act were occurring around the corner, there was no just cause for that officers actions.

[lovbyts]

You're right, people mostly stand by and in most cases they should. In the majority of police and citizen interaction there's nothing anyone should do, but that's also not the argument. But in the cases of police misconduct, most stand by because they're petrified of the police. Obviously "petrified" is a strong word and perhaps an overstatement in many instances, but there is a strong element of fear involved when it comes to the police held by many and that fear should not exist yet it certainly does.

The comment about what she was wearing, I was merely stating it's not like she's hiding a gun. And OK, she was told she was under arrest...maybe, I couldn't make that out either way prior. It could have just as easily been she didn't go home like the cop asked her to, it pissed him off and there you go....it's hard to say from that video, I will agree with that. But we're talking about a tiny teenage girl, a child and a grown man. I do not care how annoying she was, how much under age drinking she may have been doing or what little girl she got in a fight with (if that's what happened) that justifies the way he handled her. He was rightly put on leave until the situation is resolved one way or another.

It's the "Police are the law" mentality that I don't like. They are not the law, the law is a the law, they are not one in the same. "Protect and Serve" the slogan that more than likely adorns every precinct across the country, that does not say or imply "we are the law." Yes, police are enforcers of the law when it is broken and that is meant to enforce when men (the public) cannot take care of the issues themselves. And that leads to another separate issue, people call the police for everything now from idiotic noise complaints, women do it to threaten men, people do it to scare their neighbor...on and on it goes. But again, that's another issue that surrounds societal breakdown.

Maybe when this particular incident is done it will come out that this girl was selling meth to a 8yr old boy around the corner and stabbing another one....sure, anything's possible, and I'm not being a smartass, anything is possible. But come on, we know that's highly unlikely and unless some truly violent act were occurring around the corner, there was no just cause for that officers actions.

IN bold. I thought the same thing at first but after watching it a couple of times you know he actually did not handle her bad. He just made her comply without hurting her and got her under control quickly. It's easy for the blood pressure to go up quickly when you see any adult handle a kid/girl like that but it is his job and she was not likely to comply simply by his orders or it would not have gotten to that point.

I so would not want to be a cop in this day and age.

[RigPig]

I'm not seeing the issue. Cops cuffed disobedient kids that outnumbered them 20:1....the fact they had guns out isn't really an issue to me. They have to control the situation, that's a way to get everyone's attention. If they were trigger happy then the cop that did the Chick Norris trip and roll at the beginning should have discharged his weapon.
I'm this day and age this video is PG maybe PG-13 lol

[Brett N]

I plainly see a routine police break up of a teen drinking party getting out of control.

The officer got the situation under control.

He could of handled himself better. Maybe he felt threatened, maybe he was new in the area...nobody knows the reason. He did nothing wrong besides be unprofessional and a litlle Wile E Coyote. The idea that this is a problem with police in the US... it is not.

I had a long post about the problem with the police and it's people but I don't think this video has anything to do with all the other incidents you have heard of. This is not a government housing project, nor is it the ghetto. This looks like a nice community. Even if someone called the cops because a bunch of black kids were seen drinking at a pool party. It's not a race thing until we turn it into one. When I was in school, the cops showed up to almost every party I was ever at. We were a bunch of median income white kids. Nobody ever made a big deal of it. Nobody was ever arrested. Cops said break it up and we did.


A little off topic -

I honestly think that most of these problems you see are the youth from crappy households where you have one parent working 2 jobs and nobody left at home to raise their kids. A world where there are reality shows that say it is ok to become a woman even if you were born a man. It's normal. A world where if you spill hot coffee on you at a restaurant you should get a million dollars. The screwed up crap of our politically correct world goes on and on.

All I can say, I am doing my best to raise my kids right. My daughter got bullied because she told on a fellow 7th grader for selling RX pills at school. She won't go to the park anymore because she heard kids talking about smoking pot there. They both get great grades and they care about people. Even though we have not raised them to be religious, they are better human beings than most of the church going people I meet. They are better than I am and that makes me proud. Maybe if everyone tried to make their kids a little bit better than they are, the world would be in a better place than it is today. End of rant.

[kelkel]

But in the cases of police misconduct, most stand by because they're petrified of the police. Obviously "petrified" is a strong word and perhaps an overstatement in many instances, but there is a strong element of fear involved when it comes to the police held by many and that fear should not exist yet it certainly does.

I agree, petrified is a strong word. Police don't want to petrify people or even scare them. They just want to be respected and listened to when they give an instruction. When you don't listen, refuse to comply with a lawful order, act disorderly and possibly incite the crowd, you get arrested as this kid did. Her own lack of personal responsibility got her in trouble. The lack of discipline and personal responsibility with the younger generation is amazing to me. Note that a couple kids did run up in attempt to help their friend and had to be pushed back. Then a responsible citizen stepped in to help keep the kids away.

But we're talking about a tiny teenage girl, a child and a grown man. I do not care how annoying she was, how much under age drinking she may have been doing or what little girl she got in a fight with (if that's what happened) that justifies the way he handled her.

I wouldn't care if it were a midget, if you're told your under arrest you comply. Several other young men were arrested, complied and had no issues. She refused, resisted and reasonable force was used to arrest her.

It's the "Police are the law" mentality that I don't like. They are not the law, the law is a the law, they are not one in the same. "Protect and Serve" the slogan that more than likely adorns every precinct across the country, that does not say or imply "we are the law." Yes, police are enforcers of the law when it is broken and that is meant to enforce when men (the public) cannot take care of the issues themselves. And that leads to another separate issue, people call the police for everything now from idiotic noise complaints, women do it to threaten men, people do it to scare their neighbor...on and on it goes. But again, that's another issue that surrounds societal breakdown.

Agree, society is breaking down and it starts in the home. Discipline and personal responsibility. Agree with your assessment of the unnecessary use of government resources. It simply enables people.

But come on, we know that's highly unlikely and unless some truly violent act were occurring around the corner, there was no just cause for that officers actions.

Gotta agree to disagree on this one. But the conversations are always enjoyable Metal.

[diesel101]

Rule #1 Do what the cop says and you wont get shot or tazed.
Rule #2 If the cops show up don't circle them and act like tough guys you wont get shot or tazed.
Rule #3 Don't break the law and you wont have a problem with the Cops.

Basically if you don't act like a Dick you wont get treated like a Dick

[djgreen]

[saymass003]

Look at 3 when he detains the girl justifiably and then all of them run over ready to jump the officer..More than one offense and breach of the law is going on at once and these people never learn and keep disrespecting police and pushing their limits..Girl gets detained and asked to put hands behind her back "I'm calling my momma on god" and starts slapping her hands together..Put your ****ing hands behind your back of corse he is going to detain you further dumb F*ck..Then the reactions of these people who already have the scenario of police brutality made up in their heads are priceless..Like the girl is being killed...These cops cannot do their job correctly because of all liberal and democratic public figures at the top of the plitically correct social hierarchy that make up/botch scenarios with their high budget news stories, and pretend like they give a f*ck just to get elected or make more money..Just like Obama did..Why don't some of these people go back and watch some of Obama's debates and see if he went through with any of his words..For all those people trying to start something and waiting for the cop to make a bad move so that they could say to their friends that they were there when the breaking news story happened...They did a good
job..Keep in mind it was only the girl that resisted that was detained further..Not the 3 other men arrested and cooperating..Little authority and all the anti-gun and feminine caitlyn jenner males start to fiend over it and drink it up like some nice lemonade on a hot summers day..I'd like to see them go one day without their bodyguards or their constant protection..hah

I had to come out of lurk mode after I read your post. When you say these people, exactly whom are you referring to? I hope you are talking about the children in the video and not an entire race of people. If in fact you are judging an entire race of people off what you see on the news thats ignorance.

Now, as far as the video both sides were wrong. If he told her to leave, she should have left. However, the way he handled her, when clearly she wasn't armed was a little excessive. I have a daughter about this girls age, and all I can say is thank God she is a loner and spends her weekends with her nose in her books.

[tcw]

Eh....i don't see a problem in the way it was handled.



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[Brett N]

Hey Metalject, although we don't really agree on this video I do appreciate you posting this thread. It's been a great discussion back and forth and it has also made me a tad more open minded than when I started.

Keep bringing these threads. It makes for a lively forum.

[jimmyinkedup]

Looks like the whole thing is blown out of proportion on both sides to me.

[davidtheman100]

I had to come out of lurk mode after I read your post. When you say these people, exactly whom are you referring to? I hope you are talking about the children in the video and not an entire race of people. If in fact you are judging an entire race of people off what you see on the news thats ignorance.

Now, as far as the video both sides were wrong. If he told her to leave, she should have left. However, the way he handled her, when clearly she wasn't armed was a little excessive. I have a daughter about this girls age, and all I can say is thank God she is a loner and spends her weekends with her nose in her books.

These people as in the people in the video haha..good to know you think i'm racist though

[Metalject]

Before any more comments (at least from myself) here is a followup video, news report along with the girl in the video speaking.

[davidtheman100]

That's just what she wanted to get on the news look at how she was yelling and screaming throughout the real video and not listening..Now that she's in the news she's all calm now that she gets what she wanted she's back in position to look like the victim.."Getting fired isn't enough" the media has made THESE PEOPLE IN THE VIDEO seem like victims so that now they feel that they can make suggestions and be confident saying that police should be fired etc. like their words have some type of power

[Metalject]

That's just what she wanted to get on the news look at how she was yelling and screaming throughout the real video and not listening..Now that she's in the news she's all calm now that she gets what she wanted she's back in position to look like the victim.."Getting fired isn't enough" the media has made THESE PEOPLE IN THE VIDEO seem like victims so that now they feel that they can make suggestions and be confident saying that police should be fired etc. like their words have some type of power

Really? That is a 15yr old girl, a child. There is no 15yr old out there thinking that deeply into things. Any regular kid is going to freak out when a grown man grabs them, cop or not. In a little girls mind he is some man. Yes we can go on and on about lack of discipline in kids today and all of that and there is a lot of truth in that. Does that apply to her? Who knows, we don't know her story or situation, but we do know she's a kid. And we also know that the other officers are just standing there as calmly as can be throughout the entire situation.

I'll say it again, this mentality that some have that goes to the extreme to defend police officers is every bit as dangerous, idiotic and irresponsible as those that bash cops for existing.

[davidtheman100]

My issue is that it's such a small thing to be such a big news story. Did he handle it 100% correctly? Yes. Was he a little rough? Yes. Are some cops different than others and handle things a little differently within the confides of the law? Absolutely and a ton of it is different generations of cops and how fast social norms are changing opposed to what these cops new years ago. (Not saying that's the case here) Let's be real...this scenario is being WAYYY overblown due to what has happened in the past months with the protests and rioting etc...In court of law and in law enforcement previous offenses ESPECIALLY if done by different people should not be taken into account when a new offense happens that is not the SAME EXACT case. It needs to be treated differently because these are DIFFERENT PEOPLE and DIFFERENT COPS not just BLACK PEOPLE and WHITE COPS...Once THEY stop categorizing every different scenario in different parts of the country with the same title..Other people will stop categorizing negatively. Only difference is one way is politically correct and "trending" in this society, and one isn't. When in reality they're both just as bad as eachother