First cycle

[ma2t9x]

400mg test cyp 10 weeks Monday Thursday 200mg shots
Arimidex .5 mg EOD

Pct include hcg and nolva
500iu hcg 10 shots
Nolva 60mg first day than 40/40/20/20 Ed

Suggestions?

[Avi3510]

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

Go to beginning of thread and read original post. It answers everything. This is what the vets will direct you towards or give as advice as well.

[numbere]

That cycle could use a lot of improvement. What are your age, weight, height, body fat % and training experience?

[NACH3]

We need your stats to help you better... And as mentioned lots to fix!

HCG on cycle, AI on cycle, pct - that link provides you w/everything you need to know, may I suggest you do some more reading as well, one can never learn enough - I think we all learn something new each day here(I know I do and try to)...

[ma2t9x]

I'm 25 205lbs, 385 bench, 500 dead, 450 squat, 205 over head ,body fat 13%, I've read that link and was just wondering for low doses of test using arimidex as my AI every other day, and I also heard hcg on cycle can be counter productive and its best used post cycle? Also pct starting 18 days after last injection

[kloter1]

HCG on cycle? Ive seen so many arguments over this stuff and that it shouldnt be run while on. I just watched a video of Rich Piana commenting on it.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

HCG on cycle? Ive seen so many arguments over this stuff and that it shouldnt be run while on. I just watched a video of Rich Piana commenting on it.

Rich Piana is not about safe cycling.
His hCG method uses hCG more as a bridge between cycles.

IMHO... hCG during cycle not during PCT.

[numbere]

I'm 25 205lbs, 385 bench, 500 dead, 450 squat, 205 over head ,body fat 13%, I've read that link and was just wondering for low doses of test using arimidex as my AI every other day, and I also heard hcg on cycle can be counter productive and its best used post cycle? Also pct starting 18 days after last injection

You will see results from 400 mg/week of test but if you're going to shut your HPG axis down you might as will do 500 mg/week. Also, you should expect that UGLs products will be weaker than pharma grade. I would only use less than 500mg/week of test e or c if I was adding another compound. As I'm sure you're aware test only for first cycles.

When using 500-600 mg/week of test you should begin taking dex at 0.25 mg/EOD. Then have BW half way through your cycle and titrate the dex dosage as needed. When you have mid cycle BW you should get a sensitive estradiol assay, because the standard e2 test is tailored to women. Men will usually get a higher than actual score on the standard e2 test. Mid cycle BW will also let you know the quality of your gear.

Hcg should only be used on cycle unless you need to to a Power PCT. Hcg stimulates the leydig cells and keeps them functioning while one is introducing exogenous test. This will increase your chances of having successful PCT. Hcg is repressive to natural LH production. This is why it should not be used during PCT. Though he is entertaining, Piana is a successful idiot.

HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

[dfarre]

Who the hell came up with UGL products being weaker? They are often overdosed.

[djgreen]

whaaaaaa? iv heard all kind of stories where they are underdosed they are made a lot of the time in 3rd world countries by a room full of uneducated people sitting on a dirt floor and they don't know what they are doing so it can go either way really but I would say they are underdosed a lot because it don't take much at all to mess up the measurements even by someone who does knows what their doing

[numbere]

Who the hell came up with UGL products being weaker? They are often overdosed.

I'm not going to debate the potency between manufacturers with you in this thread. This thread belongs to someone else and was created for an entirely different reason. If you wish to speak more on this topic the feel free to create your own thread.

[ma2t9x]

Thank you for clearing things up, also the cyp I'm getting is medical grade, buying it from my brother in law that is prescribed it, I will definitely include hcg during my cycle but do you think I need to use it throughout my whole cycle ?

[NACH3]

Thank you for clearing things up, also the cyp I'm getting is medical grade, buying it from my brother in law that is prescribed it, I will definitely include hcg during my cycle but do you think I need to use it throughout my whole cycle ?

Yes, 250iu e3.5days(500iu total wkly) throughout starting from beginning up to 3 days prior to pct starting! It keeps your testes functional and will aid in a better recovery! HCG at the end of a cycle is outdated, HCG also mimics your LH production which stimulates your leydig cells! So all the science points to HCG on cycle not after!

I'd also run it at least 12wks as it'll take 14-18 to clear...

[ma2t9x]

Yes, 250iu e3.5days(500iu total wkly) throughout starting from beginning up to 3 days prior to pct starting! It keeps your testes functional and will aid in a better recovery! HCG at the end of a cycle is outdated, HCG also mimics your LH production which stimulates your leydig cells! So all the science points to HCG on cycle not after! I'd also run it at least 12wks as it'll take 14-18 to clear...

Thanks for the post and the help that's one thing I was confused about also for pct nolva alone for low doses of test or should I really add clomid I've seen in other forums that people have just used one or the other and nolva being the favorite, tips or suggestions on that?

[numbere]

Nolva could be enough to jumpstart the pituitary axis, but it's not really work the risk. If your going to commit to something then you might as well do it rite. One reason that nolva and clomid work well together is that clomid increases the amount of LH the pituitary secretes and nolva increases the rate at which LH is secreted. Also, when you have both of these compounds in your system they will compete with each other for receptors. When this happens the rate of recovery is increased.

[NACH3]

^^^ exactly!! They work in synergy together... Better to have both then one(increases your chances of recovery)..

[ma2t9x]

Thanks guys for all your help I will update this thread after my cycle is over let you all know my results , might be awhile though have to buy more hcg and clomid now