My first Cycle Questions

[twswmw1818]

Good day to you all,
I just started my first cycle did a bunch of research, so far what im going to so is a follows

weeks 1-10 test 400 .5ml monday/thursday
weeks 5-20 winstrol 25mg ED
weeks 11-13 nothing
weeks 14-15 nolvadex 40mg ed
weeks 15-16 nolvadex 20mg ed

any tips or question the input would be great thanks.

p.s i no this is a short cycle but is it going to be long enough to see gains at all or am i wasting my time an money

[Back In Black]

Why would you run 15 weeks of winstrol through and after your PCT?

Where is your AI? HCG? Clomid too for PCT?

What is your

Age?
Height?
Weight?
Body fat % ?

[twswmw1818]

sorry i meant winny to week 10, and i read on another forum that nolvadex alone will do if this not true.
age: 26
height 5ft 11
weight 175
body fat 12%

[twswmw1818]

is clomid a nolvadex not essentially the same thing plus a few differences, if not what would you recommend and why

[NACH3]

is clomid a nolvadex not essentially the same thing plus a few differences, if not what would you recommend and why

If you did a bunch of research... You would know that test only is the safest first cycle(you don't know how you'll react to test alone!

For pct clomid and Nolvadex as they work in synergy together(so both is recommended)

Again where's your AI? Hcg(on cycle)?? Pct protocol? As BIB asked - pls provide us w/your stats... Age/weight/height/bf% yrs training what's your diet consist of, how do you train

[twswmw1818]

so your saying to do test solo first to see how it goes. also ive been working out for 9 years my diet is spot on eating about 4000cal/day with 50%carb 30%pro and 20%fat all clean once in a blue moon in have a cheat meal buts it not regular,
age: 26
weight: 175
height: 5ft 11
bf% 12-13%
and i train 5 days a week with 2 active rest days (eg hitt cardio/ swimming crossfit)
if i was going to use the winny what would be the best pct plan i have nolvadex now because a friend who has done a number of cycles said it was the safest and would be good stand alone

[twswmw1818]

also why should you take hcg on cycle that is counter active really is it not being that t shuts down your natural test and hcg turns it on that would **** your body up a little should you not save it till after

[Back In Black]

You're a little light to be cycling. 4000cals per day or not, AAS aren't magic and won't suddenly add keep able weight to you. You need to increase your cals to gain. Can you post your typical daily diet?

Here is some reading for you should help you understand a bit more

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html

[twswmw1818]

4am 2 cups egg whites 2 cups oat meal
pre workout mix bcaa with mr hyde
post workout 2 scoops mutant whey with 40g of dextrose
finsh shake at 7am
10am 6oz chicken breast 1 cup brown rice 1 cup broccoli
1pm 6 oz lean steak with 1 sweet potato 1 cup broccoli
4pm same as 10am
630-700 pm 6oz white fish with brown rice 2 cups broccoli
10pm 2 cups cottage cheese with 1 cup blueberry's and 2 tbs natural almond butter

[ojm3]

Let that diet soak in and put another 20lbs or so on ya. Read the stickies BIB posted for you they will put you in the right direction.

[Back In Black]

4am 2 cups egg whites 2 cups oat meal
pre workout mix bcaa with mr hyde
post workout 2 scoops mutant whey with 40g of dextrose
finsh shake at 7am
10am 6oz chicken breast 1 cup brown rice 1 cup broccoli
1pm 6 oz lean steak with 1 sweet potato 1 cup broccoli
4pm same as 10am
630-700 pm 6oz white fish with brown rice 2 cups broccoli
10pm 2 cups cottage cheese with 1 cup blueberry's and 2 tbs natural almond butter

Can you detail the total macro's? Looks shy of 4k to me, it's also probably too much protein.

[twswmw1818]

ive been wating this way for 1 year now and have gained maybe 10 pounds, i dont now how to eat more food without feeling bloated and full all the time

[twswmw1818]

what other source of ai is there and i have already started my test on monday so is it too late to run hcg or another AI

[Back In Black]

ive been wating this way for 1 year now and have gained maybe 10 pounds, i dont now how to eat more food without feeling bloated and full all the time

If you don't, you will lose whatever you gain.

what other source of ai is there and i have already started my test on monday so is it too late to run hcg or another AI

Read the link I gave you it explains the AI and HCG aspect.

[NACH3]

what other source of ai is there and i have already started my test on monday so is it too late to run hcg or another AI

Aromasin or arimidex - either are fine - what do you have? And no get HCG and run it ASAP, at 250iu e3.5d -2x wkly totaling 500iu a wk

And listen to what BIB is telling you

[twswmw1818]

yeah it is way to much protein im tweaking that part still macro are as follow typically
take yesterday 514 g carbs 86g fat 332g pro

[twswmw1818]

not to bash i just want to get my info straight rich piana posted a video about hcg post/during cycle and he said to take it after your cycle because on cycle its counter active, that guys being on stuff like 20 years?

[twswmw1818]

k so if i can get hcg any time soon but i can get clomid can i take my cycle as plan with addition on clomid (with increased cals) will i be alright?

[Back In Black]

not to bash i just want to get my info straight rich piana posted a video about hcg post/during cycle and he said to take it after your cycle because on cycle its counter active, that guys being on stuff like 20 years?

Don't listen to anything he says, he doesn't run a pct. he is ad anger to others who listen to him.

[NACH3]

Don't listen to anything he says, he doesn't run a pct. he is ad anger to others who listen to him.

^^^ this... He's an idiot really! He does in fact hurt people w/his advise..

[twswmw1818]

k so if i run nolvadex and clomid alone will i be okay i probley cant get hcg in time ill try but...

[NACH3]

You should try and get HCG now, and run it on cycle, and yes proper pct protocol is clomid and nolvadex(tamoxifen)...SERMs only in pct...

What about your AI?

[twswmw1818]

well i only no one guy who sells the stuff and he is all out of hcg so is there anything i can use, and as per AI what do you recommend i use?

[NACH3]

well i only no one guy who sells the stuff and he is all out of hcg so is there anything i can use, and as per AI what do you recommend i use?

Follow this to a T look on line get some HCG

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

Arimidex or aromasin (top right ar-r) under Liquidex and liquid stane