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[MMAasrealasitgets]

Evening all

I couldnt get this thread moved so have to just start again (the original link is here as I posted incorrectly in the PCT thread

http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-c...-too-late.html ).

Hi all,

Long story short, and sorry for making the mistakes.

A few years ago I took anavar only cycle, 12 weeks. On the back of which I started a 4 week PCT with Nolva (sorry cant remember the mg but ED). Half way through my PCT I had my bloods done and my T levels were obviously low at the time around 14-16 nmol. The endo I saw said my system was fubar from the anavar and TRT was the only way forward – I listened to his advice as he said to stop the PCT as it was nothing more than adding to the disaster.

I immediately went onto a TRT of 4ml testosterone undecanoate every 8 weeks for 2 years. My levels reached around 16-19 nmol (ref range of 8-38). But short of increasing the dosage which they refused, my only option was to keep the frequency of depot injections short around 7-8 weeks.

However, I wanted to try for another baby and of course TRT makes you shoot blanks (I was never informed and nor did I question the endo about getting sperm frozen as I was fertile before the anavar cycle). So back in Oct 2013 I did my last TRT injection. No PCT, just cold turkey under the advise of the NHS where I have allowed my levels to adjust back to whatever normal would be.

My LH, FSH and T levels are all borderline low as of last month:

T – 8.6
FSH – 5
LH - 4

The Endo and other specialist say that is now my natural T level and there is nothing they can do. My missis is pregnant and I know that would have happened as March last year my sperm levels returned to healthy by volume etc.

Howver, I am not in this to be told that’s normal. So would anyone approve or recommend a Nolva/Clomid PCT eve at this stage in a view to getting my LH FSH production back up and running or is it lost hope?

Proposed as follows. I am spelling it out how I see the PCT plan as dont want to make mistakes in my dosages but not to belittle anyone other than myself - once bitten twice shy n all.

Wk1 75mg clomid / 40mg nolva ED i.e (total 525mg / 280 mg pw)
Wk2 50mg clomid / 20 mg nolva ED i.e (total 350mg / 140 mg pw)
Wk3 50mg clomid / 20 mg nolva ED i.e (total 350mg / 140 mg pw)
Wk4 50mg clomid / 20 mg nolva ED i.e (total 350mg / 140 mg pw)

There has been some comment about using HcG which I have (also have arimidex if its any use) but quantities and duration I would welcome advice on.

I am still researching a proper Test based cycle (another discussion for another day) which I would look to do at some point even if it just restarts the system but I have already got HCG , Nolva and Clomid. I wont make the same mistake as before so I WILL NOT rush into anything again, but I would really like to know if a late stage PCT would have any advantages / disadvantages?

I am fully aware I will be in for a kicking for doing an Anavar only cycle, and tbh I deserve that, but no amount is going to undo the passages of time and my infertility, low T levels and symptoms of having to put up with the shame of fu cking up my HPTA system for the last few years are enough to correct my errors.

What I am left with is an endo who has formally written me off and no other specialists who will help as they all look at the levels and say ‘they are in range so must be adequate.

Stats – 15-17% bf, 6’6”, 255lbs/.

Genuine thoughts or advice

[kelkel]

Your age? Or did I miss it?

T – 8.6
FSH – 5 Add ranges please.
LH - 4

[MMAasrealasitgets]

sorry, aged 35

the ranges
T – 8.6 (8-28 n/mol)
FSH – 5 1.6 – 11.0 IU/L
LH - 4 1.6 – 11.0 IU/L

hope that helps

[kelkel]

Definitely not great levels. I'd be remiss if I didn't ask about your thyroid health along with some other important items such as prolactin and cortisol that can impact LH function. There's a good list of BW in the Finding A Doc sticky. That said, attempting the pct you outlined will not hurt you. You can run the Nolva a couple weeks past the clomid as well. Key would be to check BW mid way through and about 8 weeks after and see how you hold up. Assuming relatively normal pituitary function (stimulation) from the serms your T should rise, but as stated the key is to see IF if holds when through.

[MMAasrealasitgets]

thanks Kelkel,

I have had a pituitary mri and showed no issues, my AM cortisol / prolactin / thyroid function tests were all bang on (sorry I have reams of paperwork so cant find the exact figure but know that both the Uro and Endo said absolutely spot on for each).

the issue purely relates to me messing around with anavar and not following protocol. The TestU has suppressed my system and I need to do something that will kick it back (I hold onto hope that it will respond so thats enough to keep me trying). My greatest issue was not coming clean about my problems and reasons why, hence I have not looked at this site to tell people before now and ask for help.

So would you say the PCT I detailed as being acceptable but add two weeks as follows:

Wk1 75mg clomid / 40mg nolva ED i.e (total 525mg / 280 mg pw)
Wk2 50mg clomid / 20 mg nolva ED i.e (total 350mg / 140 mg pw)
Wk3 50mg clomid / 20 mg nolva ED i.e (total 350mg / 140 mg pw)
Wk4 50mg clomid / 20 mg nolva ED i.e (total 350mg / 140 mg pw)
Wk5 20 mg nolva ED i.e (total 140 mg pw)
Wk6 20 mg nolva ED i.e (total 140 mg pw)

Would you suggest the HCG is worth taking as others have muted for 3 weeks prior to starting the above based on my condition?

finally, after 8 weeks if the BW shows higher levels of FSH, LH and T, what duration after would be acceptable to say they have 'held'?

but again, thanks for taking the time to reply and give your input.

[kelkel]

Not sure I see the need for the HCG at this point. Back when you were on TU it would have been appropriate. The serms should do their job and signal your boys to get to work. If you seriously feel the need it won't hurt you, just keep the dose low for a couple weeks.
Your plan is fine. You can up the clomid to 100 mgs the first week if you like.

I'd pull some BW about 3-4 weeks into pct to check LH, FSH, T and FT is possible. See how they ramped up. After that I'd wait at least two months, three if you're patient to pull them again. IMHO.

[MMAasrealasitgets]

thanks all am going to start a new thread to update as started my restart PCT at the weekend.