help please-liver problems

[JAKI]

elevated liver values -help????
i finished 3ed week winny 25mg orals and i did my liver values today and this is the story:
asat 63[0-40] ;alat 137[0-42] ;ldh 399[200-400] ;ck-nac[creatine cinase] 846[200-400]; doc said to stop it.
2 months before i had: asat 57 ;alat 97 without winny.
from first day of cycle i am taking liv52[6 tabs a day],26 grain liver[6 tabs a day],vit c 1 g,dailyvit+min+ 50 mg vit b
what should i do?
help please any opinions............

[Rickson]

You need to have your GGT levels taken and here is why,




J Am Osteopath Assoc 2001 Jul;101(7):391-4

Evaluation of aminotransferase elevations in a bodybuilder using anabolic steroids: hepatitis or rhabdomyolysis?

Pertusi R, Dickerman RD, McConathy WJ.

Department of Medicine, University of North Texas Health Science Center, 3500 Camp Bowie Blvd, Fort Worth, TX 76107-2699, USA.

The use of anabolic steroids among competitive athletes, particularly bodybuilders, is widespread. Numerous reports have noted "hepatic" dysfunction secondary to anabolic steroid use based on elevated serum aminotransferase levels. The authors' objective was to assess whether primary care physicians accurately distinguish between anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity and serum aminotransferase elevations that are secondary to acute rhabdomyolysis resulting from intense resistance training. Surveys were sent to physicians listed as practicing family medicine or sports medicine in the yellow pages of seven metropolitan areas. Physicians were asked to provide a differential diagnosis for a 28-year-old, anabolic steroid-using male bodybuilder with an abnormal serum chemistry profile. The blood chemistries showed elevated aspartate aminotransferase (AST), alanine aminotransferase (ALT), and creatine kinase (CK) levels, and normal gamma-glutamyltransferase (GGT) levels. In the physician survey (n = 84 responses), 56% failed to mention muscle damage or muscle disease as a potential diagnosis, despite the markedly elevated CK level of the patient. Sixty-three percent indicated liver disease as their primary diagnosis despite normal GGT levels. Prior reports of anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity that were based on aminotransferase elevations may have overstated the role of anabolic steroids. Correspondingly, the medical community may have been led to emphasize anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity and disregard muscle damage when interpreting elevated aminotransferase levels. Therefore, when evaluating enzyme elevations in patients who use anabolic steroids, physicians should consider the CK and GGT levels as essential elements in distinguishing muscle damage from liver damage.

[JAKI]

what about that ck high levels?

[JAKI]

sorry normal ck is from 24-195 not 200- 400,sorry again

[Rickson]

Again Creatine Kinase is something very high on weight lifters. It does not necessarily indicate liver problems. As a matter of fact a high CK level should indicate muscle damage or trauma and your doctor missed that one. I don't know either way whether you have a liver problem but it is impossible to diagnose with what you have been tested on as a body builder. I certainly would get some more test. Once you come off and using liver Tyler detox (better then liv 52) you should find your levels are closer to normal although they will probably always be slightly elevated due to muscle trauma.

[willpharmd]

Your asat and alat are not that high. And Rickson is right, ck should be elevated in bodybuilders. Based on your values, I'm sure this is from the winny and not a chronic problem. In most hospitals, liver enzyme value elevations caused by drugs are not a problem until they are 3 times the normal upper limit. Your enzymes should return to normal when you discontinue
the winny.

[gundam675]

not that bad !

[JAKI]

thanks to all .
i stopped winny it is not vorth to take a chance i think