Bloodwork cycle end. Is what it is.

[AR's King Silabolin]

44, 181, 115 kg 18%

Gains were good first 1-4 weeks. Then it pretty much stopped. So cycle was

week1 200 mg masteron
week2 500 mg deca
week3 200 mg primabolan
week4 500 mg test e
week 5-8 = week 1-4
week9 250 mg test e
week10 250 mg test e

No AI, DA, no hcg, pct week 1-3, 100 mg clomid, 20 mg nolva

Started pct 10 days after last test e shot. BW was done end pctweek3: (stil got one week to go)

Bloodpressure 135/90
Testosteron 0,45 nmol/L (6,73-31.88) or 13, asked for free t, but Guess they didnt find any:-)
E2 200 pmol (20-130)
LH < 0,1, IE/L
FSH 0,3, IE/L (1,3-19,3)
Progesteron 219 (15-100)
Prolaktin 476 mlE/L 86-324

Cholestrol 3,9 mmol/L (3,3-6,9)
HDL 0,77 mmol/L (0,8-2.10)
LDL 2,7 mmol/L (1,4-4,7) surprise surprise

B12 780 (a bit high)
Kreatinin 116 micromol/L (bit high)
HCT 0,53 "fraction" (0,4 -0,5)
Ferritinin 38 microg/l (29-383)

Liver and rest ok

I expected the clomid and nolva should raise LH and FSH more.
Testosteron is low extreme. Shouldnt the long ester stil keep a good portion in my blood. Or was my test e fake? Hope somebody can tell...

Only thing that worried me, was "HCT 0,53 "fraction" (0,4 -0,5)" I thouth this was the same as hct 53% and donation is adviced. Its not. Doc said it was within acceptable. Ferritinin shoudl deceide donation he said.
I asked for the converted hctvalue, but he couldnt tell. If somebody know, please tell.

Learnings; 500 mg injectables for 10 weeks dont kill you. Liver, kidneys, blood, e2, prolactin, cholestrol and the rest will be ok. But, injectables shoot you down indeed. And i guess Clomid and nolva are not enough. I have one week left, but doubt if its gonna change anything. Maybe nolva 20 mg is low. But. I Guess you need hcg! Stil not sure if i needed AI/DA for this one.

Last, i do not worry. I Guess it will come back. It was always like this. First months after cycle. Right now pussies are hideous and i never look at girls in the street/gym. It always came back. And when i see the Girls again, i know its there!
Funny thing is my strentgh is good, 90% of prime. Sizewise im there too. With my test and female hormones i should look like my wifes daugther. I do not. But i am very tired all the time though.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Dude,

You have no idea how to run a cycle.
You don't understand half lives.
You don't understand bloodwork.
You ran perhaps the dumbest cycle I've ever seen.

You claim your bloodwork is fine but...
HDL is low, prolactin is high, LH and FSH are nonexistent, etc..

You didn't use hCG or an AI.

I wish you the best in your recovery and hope you educate before you medicate again.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I forgot...
Your estrogen is high
Your blood pressure is high

[bigdil511]

Dude, You have no idea how to run a cycle. You don't understand half lives. You don't understand bloodwork. You ran perhaps the dumbest cycle I've ever seen. You claim your bloodwork is fine but... HDL is low, prolactin is high, LH and FSH are nonexistent, etc.. You didn't use hCG or an AI. I wish you the best in your recovery and hope you educate before you medicate again.

This ^^. You are giving advice everywhere on here I think you should stop giving advice and learn something first.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Dog, listed values are those outside range and there is no need for you to copy. Rest was ok. I dont bother to list up them up.
Cycle was not a Perfect one and you may comment what you want, but BW was topic here.

Ofcorse e2 and so are high With no AI, 3 weeks after last pin. BP is ok, precycle it was 80/130.

I know more than you actually, but sometimes you wanna try New Things.

If you are so guru, why dont you tell me if my BW may indicate my test e was fake?

[ANIMAL]

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but did you only use test in weeks 4,8,9,10?

[Mr.BB]

When I started reading your post was hoping that by this BW you would learn something and realize that this forum exists so that we all dont have to go through a trial and error experience, as the information is readily available here by years of researching and members experiences.

It seems you did not understand it

First, your body fat is too high to cycle which with still low dose test made you have a E2 and progesteron of a woman. If had manage your E2 with an AI you would have gains your whole cycle and not only in the beggining when your E2 values were still normal, and thus allowed muscle building.

So with high E2 your prolactin is skyrocket, are you lactating yet?

Bare in mind all this information is on austenite info threads, and in numerous threads all across board.

Cholesterol is the easiest to control, you just need to eat clean (fruit and veggies hello???).

Your testosterone is low because you were only pinning 250mgs, the clearance time for 500mgs of test E is 14 days, so it means that after 14 days you should have the normal natural testosterone. Pinning 250mgs after 10 days, plus 3 weeks of bad PCT guess how much test remains in your blood? (look in your BW for correct answer)

[The Deadlifting Dog]

If you are so guru, why dont you tell me if my BW may indicate my test e was fake?

As BB said ^^^^^


But in my words.
Ten days after you took your last shot of test E you started PCT. you got bloodwork done after 3 weeks of PCT.
Thus you got bloodwork done 31 days after your last shot of test E.
Test E has a half life of 7 days approximately.
Therefore, after 31 days you will have about 5% as much test as you did at your peak.
So no, you can't really tell how good your test E was.
My guess is it wasn't bunk because your estrogen is so high.

Good luck.

[Mr. Small]

How many lbs/kgs did you gain after this?

[AR's King Silabolin]

When I started reading your post was hoping that by this BW you would learn something and realize that this forum exists so that we all dont have to go through a trial and error experience, as the information is readily available here by years of researching and members experiences.

It seems you did not understand it

First, your body fat is too high to cycle which with still low dose test made you have a E2 and progesteron of a woman. If had manage your E2 with an AI you would have gains your whole cycle and not only in the beggining when your E2 values were still normal, and thus allowed muscle building.

So with high E2 your prolactin is skyrocket, are you lactating yet?

Bare in mind all this information is on austenite info threads, and in numerous threads all across board.

Cholesterol is the easiest to control, you just need to eat clean (fruit and veggies hello???).

Your testosterone is low because you were only pinning 250mgs, the clearance time for 500mgs of test E is 14 days, so it means that after 14 days you should have the normal natural testosterone. Pinning 250mgs after 10 days, plus 3 weeks of bad PCT guess how much test remains in your blood? (look in your BW for correct answer)

Listen, and when did i join?...Yes, after my cycle. Ofcourse my cycle interferes With almost all the good info in the stickies.
But ive got the balls to display it anyway and ive started at 114 kg, ended at 120 kg and a bit leaner to. Gains were actually good. Imagine my results for the NeXT onw when i will include the stickieinfo aswell. But now im 115 kg again and i Guess i have to wait until my test, lh and fsh come back before the next.

[Mr.BB]

Sorry if my post was too harsh, just trying to help.

IMO you need to get your hormones in to normal ranges before the PCT meds can rise your LH and FSH, stimulating your testis to restart.

So I would take some AI and cabergoline, restest in a week, and than restart PCT with clomid and nolva. But maybe some Vet can help more than I am.

You confident in your PCT meds? Are they pharma?

[AR's King Silabolin]

As BB said ^^^^^


But in my words.
Ten days after you took your last shot of test E you started PCT. you got bloodwork done after 3 weeks of PCT.
Thus you got bloodwork done 31 days after your last shot of test E.


Test E has a half life of 7 days approximately.
Therefore, after 31 days you will have about 5% as much test as you did at your peak.
So no, you can't really tell how good your test E was.
My guess is it wasn't bunk because your estrogen is so high.

Good luck.

10,5 days halflife. I did 500 mg week 8, 250mg 10 days after and 250 mg after that one. then 20 days pct and bloodwork. Should stil have around 60 mg from test e injections together. Also red test e 250 mg equals 200 mg, so if i drop 20% my test at bloodwork would be 40-50 mg from external Sources. Guess my internal was 0. My total test was 13 ng/dl. I dont know if that relates to 40-50 mg.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Sorry if my post was too harsh, just trying to help.

IMO you need to get your hormones in to normal ranges before the PCT meds can rise your LH and FSH, stimulating your testis to restart.

So I would take some AI and cabergoline, restest in a week, and than restart PCT with clomid and nolva. But maybe some Vet can help more than I am.

You confident in your PCT meds? Are they pharma?

interpharmaph, comes in silver/white bags. Looks ok, Source very reliable.
Hormons in normal range before pct? Thougth that was the pct`job. Never saw that in the stickies. AI and cabergoline before nolva/clomid?

No, post not harsh.

[Mr.BB]

interpharmaph, comes in silevr/white bags. Look ok, Source very reliable.
Hormons in normal range before pct? Thouth that was the pct`job. Never saw that in the stickies.

No, post not harsh.

PCT job is to reestablish endogenous testosterone. It does nothing to prolactin for example.

Your LH and FSH are very low, its not working. What was the LH and FSH values precycle?

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[AR's King Silabolin]

How many lbs/kgs did you gain after this?

6 kg week 1-4, then i cut the carbs and from there i got weaker and smaler, but more cut ofcourse. But, i looked real good all my cycle.

[AR's King Silabolin]

PCT job is to reestablish endogenous testosterone. It does nothing to prolactin for example.

Your LH and FSH are very low, its not working. What was the LH and FSH values precycle?

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Thats the shame, didnt do any prework. Joined after the cycle, remember.

Guess it was low. Did 1g deca/tren e ew last Christmas for 5 weeks. Then my only help was a little bit nolva. Man that one was tough. So "crying" a month afterwards, real sad thoughs, i started to heal after 2-3 months. Then, i think i was mars, i did some masteron for 2 weeks, just for fun. Guess there was a partyweekend commin up and i wanted to look good.
Then i started my summercyle, late april.
So all in all i Guess my LH and FSH were low when i started. But i felt good, gymtime was ok. Just a little bit tired all the time.