Test to E2 ratio

[ab037]

What do ya'll think about the T to E ratio? We know that everyone is different and feels better at different T levels.
I read on Nelson Vergels site ( i wont list it) about this topic and how some guys felt like crap with TT of 1000+ with E2 @ 20 but felt much better when there TT was lower in the 750 or so. Which changed the ratio.
Its a pretty new concept so wanted to see if anybody else had thoughts on it.
Might be something to it instead of saying everyones E2 should be X.
Whatcha think boys?

[Bio-Active]

There is nothing new about having a good balance between testosterone levels and estrogen level. You want them both in a good range

[Arete]

The doc I went to when I got test bloods wanted to see a 5% ratio E to T so 50E/1000 test. Now this guy was also only interested in pellets and not finding out WHY I might need test but it was a ratio.

[ab037]

There was alot of conversation about a ratio of keeping E2 (14-20) using the math of T÷E2.
So for my example above say TT is at 750, with an E2 @ 50 gives a ratio # of 15
Whereas a TT @ 1000 and E2 @ 25 gives a ratio # of 40..
The latter example probably is where a lot of guys are keeping there E2. I guess it depends on how they feel..
I havent seen any studies yet that talk about this type of ratio..

[Low Testosterone]

Ratio is far more important. The idea of E2 absolutely having to be 20-30 is rapidly becoming as outdated as the idea of injecting testosterone once every 2-3wks. However, I can promise you it is an idea that will die very slow around here and message boards in general because a lot of TRT guys treat E2 like some religious belief.

[kelkel]

I guess it depends on how they feel..
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Exactly. You're not a number. LEF Foundation was one of the big proponents of keeping E2 in the 20-30 range and that, no doubt, spread like wild fire. They're basing it on statistics which is fine, but ultimately it comes down to how you feel. Without question I feel best with my E2 mid thirties.

[ab037]

Good stuff guys.

[sportsfan8724]

Seeing more and more about ratio these days. My question would be is there a number too high ever or as long as the ratio is 14-20 are things ok? Like when would an ai be required?

[ab037]

Well from what they were saying, in the case of having gyno symptoms, or based on how you're feeling. I suppose if you feel like crap then you may need to reevalute your levels.
But implied no upper limit so long as no issues.