I'm gonna get on my first cycle. how do I do it right?

[Kidanis]

I'm 27 my height 5'9" weight 135
bench 135
squat 225
deadlift 200
been lifting for a year

Hi. Im currently fed up with being skinny messes with my self esteem hence why I started to lift. I like lifting is actually fun but I'm gonna be reall honest here the only reason I lift is to just not be skinny anymore. Not to be better than myself , yesterday as they say. I do not care about "cheating" I I just wanna bulk up FAST I know building muscle is a long term process and it should be a journey and all that but I don't really lift for that reason. I to be honest just lift to look good aestetically and have girls feel my abs and biceps.


My diet is 3000 calories on the dot with a protein intake of 150 grams rest is mostly carbs and of course some fats. I'm currently gaining a quarter of a pound a week at this rate I'll never have a great physique before I'm like well into my 30s and I don't want to wait that long. I've seen people go from my weight to like 180 in like two cycles . I dont expect some extreme gaing but I want to get to at least 150 but I don't want to wait another whole year


I really dont care much about the health riskj as long as I dont get Ed or gyno.
I want to run a test ethan cycle but for how long should I run it and what should I use for pct? and how do I PCT properly

thanks.

[Euroholic]

You have to work on your diet and your training mate. Steroids are a tool of the whole package. If it was only steroids we would all be markus ruhl. Your skinny because you are burning off more calories then you consume. Eat more soild foods and train hard and you should gain quickly. You have heaps of natural potential at your height/weight. I dont condone a dirty bulk but at your weight you don't have to be the cleanest eater. Just be a eater.

[Kidanis]

I am gaining just fine and its mostly muscle but im taking wayy to long I gained 27 pounds on my first year and my body fat % only went up by 1%. I just want to be big FAST I've seen plenty of my friends hop on a few cycles and gain like 50 pounds of lean mass in like months but I dont ask them for advice because they dont even know what PCT is. I want fast results. I was hones about my reasons I'm not a patient person and I dont feel I can have a quality life being skinny

[marcus300]

You need to learn how to train correctly and stimulate muscle tissue to grow and you also need to learn how to eat to gain size/mass. These two areas are vital for your goals and no matter what you take you wont achieve it without getting these two areas on point. Its plain to see your not eating enough of the right foods and your not training right.

Head over to the nutrition section and post your daily diet and also to the workout section and show us your training program.

Steroids are not the answer and will only lead to further problems down the line and you will only end up were you are now or even worse.

[The Titan99]

If your not patient then your in the wrong sport buddy. Look at it this way. At 27 lbs. a year, in three years you'd be 216 lbs. It's going to take a while. Hang in there.

[Kidanis]

Well I've seen guys with grabage diets and workouts get incredible results and keep them I eat pretyy clean and focus on compound crabs and protein. I did visit the nutrition forums and the told me gaining 1/4 pound is good progress and that my diet was fine. I hgained 27 pounds of lean mass in my first year so I gotta be doing something right.

I just want to know how to properly pct and how long I should run the cycle I dont care about sides as long as I ont get gyno or erectile disfunction. The rest I dont care to be honest

[Kidanis]

well I'm not in this for the sport I'm in this just to get a better body and to enjoy the benfits of getting said body (EG hot girls more respect ect) and enjoy them while I'm still young

[Kidanis]

well besides gains slow down they are not gonna be 27 every year and I doubt that me being this skinny can get to 200 pounds naturally I just dont see it happening with out propper drugs

[marcus300]

Your asking people who know best and your not listening. Please steroids are not for you at this stage you need to learn to eat and train correctly.

[davidtheman100]

Well I've seen guys with grabage diets and workouts get incredible results and keep them I eat pretyy clean and focus on compound crabs and protein. I did visit the nutrition forums and the told me gaining 1/4 pound is good progress and that my diet was fine. I hgained 27 pounds of lean mass in my first year so I gotta be doing something right.

I just want to know how to properly pct and how long I should run the cycle I dont care about sides as long as I ont get gyno or erectile disfunction. The rest I dont care to be honest

you will not get to 200 shredded naturally...But you can get 200 and still be muscular...Diet is most important and you haven't tested out how far you can grow naturally yet you haven't been at this long enough to even be considering hopping on gear IMO you still have plenty of gains to be made about 50 lbs of lean muscle can be gained before you even have to consider using aas...This website gives you the recipe to looking better than everyone else..Hopping on a cycle now wouldn't make any sense for you if you're gaining 27 lbs in a year of lean mass...even if on AAS it's still gonna take time to build muscle...So oyu figure once you're done with a cycle you will lose the water you gained, and have your testosterone shut down and you will revert probably close back to your starting weight..where as if you stayed natural for now you have so much room left to grow in that 3-4 month period you could have been up to 150 by then lean and it would be all keepable..And then you'd have further knowledge of diet on how to maintain being heavier and more knowledge on training...just my thoughts

[TheTaxMan]

Your friends gain 50lbs of lean muscle in 2 months?
I find that hard to believe

Your very low weight at 5ft9 135lbs
You need to train harder and diet better for a few more years and get your natural weight up before considering a cycle mate

[MrFreshmaker]

I just want to know how to properly pct and how long I should run the cycle I dont care about sides as long as I ont get gyno or erectile disfunction. The rest I dont care to be honest

Well,during and after PCT,for sure you'll have erectile dysfunction.For how long?All depends how fast you recover(if you ever recover).

[The Titan99]

Last year you were 26 years old, 5'9" and weighed 108 lbs? Eating 3000 calories per day? DAMN!! If this is all true (and I'm not saying it's not) it's beyond me. I'd like to see some pics though.

[Back In Black]

As i stated in your other thread up your protein. 150g will get you nowhere. Add an extra 40g per day and an extra 40g carbs per day.

Please detail your current diet.

[Kidanis]

I don't have anything Specific just quatitites I eat 6 -7 times a day I weight and measure my food to get propper macross numbers.

My diet consist off:

whole eggs
oats
pastas(whole weat)
Rice (white brown is extremely expensive here)
whey protein powder
peanut butter
breads
chicken
steak
tuna
all kinds of greens(spinach brocolli ect)
I eat fruits like bananas, pears ect

So my diet is pretty standard and at 135 my surplus is soppused to be around 2.6 -2.7 k yet If I'm on that much my weight wont budge... I'm gaining 1/4 a pound a week every week so thats a pound a month.. I havent seen too much fat gains.

I got the basics of trainign and dieting down since I gained 27 pounds so far my bench was a typo I can bench 165 not 135 sorry about that.

I wanted to increase my intake to 4k to try it out yet people on this site always advice my not too on the nutrition section. So What should I do then? If you have any suggestions but honestly I still have my heart set on that test cycle because I've seen my friends gain some insane ammount of lean mass on just a single cycle and keep it because of their diets

[Kidanis]

I would really not like to show this but here is me a year ago

[Mitch535]

27 lbs of lean in a year is amazing. If that is your current rate, then you'll be at your goal of 150 in 6 months. No need for gear to get that.

Gear at this stage is going to cause you far more problems than it will solve. You brought up quality of life- if you don't go down this journey correctly, you may have a worse quality of life in a few months, and far worse when you are older. You are going to look back at your 20s and wish you hadn't done a LOT of things, let this not be one of them. These guys know what they are talking about. The best advise you can get at this point is to just listen to them.

Keep up the good work, if you're getting 27 lbs of lean in a year, you don't need gear.

[Kidanis]

So I wont have a good body till I'm like 30 at that point it really isnt worth it

[Mr.BB]

I would really not like to show this but here is me a year ago

You look 18 years old or younger.

[davidtheman100]

I would really not like to show this but here is me a year ago

lmao

[dmelniko]

So I wont have a good body till I'm like 30 at that point it really isnt worth it

Well give up than , there is no easy way around getting a body , the guys which got the experience laid that out to you and have your best interest in heart.

OR PERHAPS :

Try changing the diet , stop listening for a second to people and experiment around in the end there is no rule which works for all and your body might adapt differently.

You mentioned the 4k diet , try it for a month see what it brings you, start lifting much more heavy and more intensive get the animal out of your self, the "no pain no gain" phrase is said for a reason and ones you get it right its FREAKING rewarding.

As for the AAS advice the vet's gave you they only got your back, if you can go on another year at least for a minimum doing your best in the gym maybe but only maybe than I would perhaps consider going down pinning my butt , go know how you'll look a year from now and perhaps that will satisfy you.

Have a look at some of the guys threads which start AAS with all the wrong reasons , look at the pics , nothing to brag about the gains are a joke, stay natty as long as you can.

[Kidanis]

thats exactly my problem I want to gain weight to look my age like what the hell man

[Kidanis]

whats so funny?

[davidtheman100]

whats so funny?

What's so funny is that you looked like that a year ago and want to cycle now

[Kidanis]

Well my body has definitively improved and my strenght Also my eating a sleeping habbits and I've seen guys just as skinny start off at the gym on a cycle and they seem fine to me plus 40-50 pounds in like a few months

[djgreen]

no one is gaining 40-50 lbs in a few months unless it is fat

[Kidanis]

I dont know these guys seem pretty lean to me when I see them but what do I know

[davidtheman100]

Well my body has definitively improved and my strenght Also my eating a sleeping habbits and I've seen guys just as skinny start off at the gym on a cycle and they seem fine to me plus 40-50 pounds in like a few months

You haven't made real gains yet which is why you aren't understanding the concept. You just reverted to what you would have been if you ate what your mom cooked for you at dinner instead of wanting fudge pops...Now that you're normal size...You can start packing on real, keepable muscle... At 5'9" you can get to 175 7-8% bodyfat naturally if you have pretty good genetics... And you'd look big because your bodyfat is low... This won't take anymore than 2-3 years of consistent training, good nutrition, and dedication with meal-time and not doing too many sports that burn crazy amounts of calories... And it's something that you can keep... Then once you reached your max limit by then you will have tons more knowledge of training, nutrition and probably drugs as well if you stick around...And then when you have a good base you'll EXPLODE once you touch AAS even at fairly conservative dosages...

[kelkel]

So I wont have a good body till I'm like 30 at that point it really isnt worth it

Exactly. Once you hit your thirties life's over.

[free_at_last]

I would really not like to show this but here is me a year ago

who's that hottie next to you? can you show us the rest of the pic so I can check her out please?!!!

[Fetch]

****ing with the kid isn't going to help, people.
There has been some very wise advice here. 27 lbs of lean muscle is ridiculous in a year. You earned it by changing your lifestyle - great job. That said, I'll agree with the others here - steroids are not the answer just yet. Think about it, in ONE year you gained 27 lbs of retainable muscle. Keep going. That's far better than most of us can dream of on cycle. Keep improving your diet. Eat until you're ****ing sick, then gag some more chicken down. Improve your form in the weight room. Steroids are a drug, not a miracle. Drugs have consequences. If you take this shortcut, you will probably throw on 20-25 lbs in a few months, spend several hundred $, then drop back to your current body shortly after because the other elements (diet, mentality) aren't in place. And since you are clearly young, you are risking quite a bit for this short burst of ego. Your Endocrine system is not fully developed yet, and you are proposing to shut it down while it's in development for a few lbs of disposable muscle. I've been on TRT since I was 17-18 bro. By my late 20s, I couldn't even get a boner anymore. Cialis stopped working. Now when I want an erection, I have to stick a needle into my dick and inject some Trimix - that's a tough sell to a new girl lol. Life might actually 'end' at 30 if you aren't careful with your life choices.

[Kidanis]

well I'm naturally skinny I always ate well I wasnt an undereater never I just did a lot of skateboarding for about 11 years and thats why I was that skinny, dont asume that I didnt eat just because i was under weight my father was 115 pounds at 5'8" well into his forties so my genetics are skinny I know i have SOME muscle building potential my father did it without steroids at 46 or so I think he got to 170 but his diet and workout didnt work for me at all

[Kidanis]

appetite is not an issue for me I can eat 3000 calories like it wasnt much to be honest. I only never put it up higher than that because people on the nutrition forum where telling me my gains were fine some dudes even advised me to lower them. I come here ask for steroid advice because well , most people around me in the gym use them from day one I dont know anyone whos natural (only my dad but his diet and workout never did anything for me)

So I come here ask something, get sent to the nurition section, ask there and only get the "keep doing what you are doing " advice try it dont see any notable results in that month. rinse and Repeat

[davidtheman100]

****ing with the kid isn't going to help, people.
There has been some very wise advice here. 27 lbs of lean muscle is ridiculous in a year. You earned it by changing your lifestyle - great job. That said, I'll agree with the others here - steroids are not the answer just yet. Think about it, in ONE year you gained 27 lbs of retainable muscle. Keep going. That's far better than most of us can dream of on cycle. Keep improving your diet. Eat until you're ****ing sick, then gag some more chicken down. Improve your form in the weight room. Steroids are a drug, not a miracle. Drugs have consequences. If you take this shortcut, you will probably throw on 20-25 lbs in a few months, spend several hundred $, then drop back to your current body shortly after because the other elements (diet, mentality) aren't in place. And since you are clearly young, you are risking quite a bit for this short burst of ego. Your Endocrine system is not fully developed yet, and you are proposing to shut it down while it's in development for a few lbs of disposable muscle. I've been on TRT since I was 17-18 bro. By my late 20s, I couldn't even get a boner anymore. Cialis stopped working. Now when I want an erection, I have to stick a needle into my dick and inject some Trimix - that's a tough sell to a new girl lol. Life might actually 'end' at 30 if you aren't careful with your life choices.

lol he's 27 he is of proper age to cycle....and he shouldnt eat till he gags because then he will just get fat...Steroids are not a "shortcut" either...They're a way of continuing progression after you've maxed yourself out naturally...Why wouldn't you be able to get a boner in your late 20's if you're on TRT..That makes no sense as well

[Kidanis]

I bet anything that was only to scare me off using testosterone. Because test itself can make your pee pee hard while on it cant it?

[Euroholic]

Exactly. Once you hit your thirties life's over.

Bloody oath big man. Dont fear the reaper

[Euroholic]

Can you please list your training schedule.

[Brandontt26]

I have a buddy who was 25 weighed 135 started a test cyp cycle gained 25 lb in 3 months got off cycle lost almost everything. Started back naturally gained 15lbs on his own in about a year then went on another cycle after he realized how his body reacts to eating and working out naturally and he's kept it all he just finished his 4th cycle right now 3 years later from the first and is 190 and lean. You say you gained 27lbs in a year that's highly unlikely especially sense you said you gain .25lbs a week that's 1lb a month/12lb a year. Regardless I would at least get to 160 naturally let your body develop a little bit see how you grow naturally on a more balanced diet. IE 150g of protein a day is enough to sustain your current weight. if you want to grow , you need to at least be eating 200-225 grams of good protein a day. Stop worrying so much about the calories, worry what makes up the calories. Also do just enough cardio to keep you from getting fat. That's just my advice. Ultimately do what you want u can look at old threads get advice on dosages etc and get some gear and run your own trials it's your life, just like what I'm doing, I'm young I've been told to wait, which would have been the smart thing to do but I'm hard headed did it anyway and luckily so far so good. Live your own life listen to the advice and do what you think is best or what you want for yourself.

[Kidanis]

I lift 3 times a week

day once chest and arms
I focus on the bench presses and dips and of course some isolation work for my arms

day 2 back and shoulders
deadlifts, pulls ups, rows military presses and barbell shrugs mostly

day 3 legs
squats, leg pres, calve raises, leg extentions and leg curls


I do 4 sets of each exersise on the 10 - 12 rep range

I also add more weight the next week if I reach 12 reps on the 4 sets on any of these

[Kidanis]

Well I didnt start gaining 1/4 of a pound from day one. I started lifting had no results for six months then go educated started eating a LOT more that I was gained like 20 pounds in like what seemed instantly (like a month and some change then it slowed down to 1/2 of a pound for like a month and now at this moment I'm gaining 1/4 pound a week

yeah I've also seen people mess up their cycles and lose the gains but I also seen guys do the cycle right and keep the gains its all relative but I wont jump into a cycle without the propper know how and the internet is full of conflicting advice