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Why can't we impeach him?
Congress and the House is not going along with this, yet he pushes harder and harder for it!
Come on LB, I know you are loving this ()
Obama claims ‘legal authority’ for exec action on guns, despite Hill backlash | Fox News
When will the sheep/idiots realize that gun control is not the problem?
I hate to say it, but bring on Trump and his outlandish self (and his daughter, Ivanka or whatever her name is)
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just found a poll on it!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/polls...e-action-guns/
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Because they would call racism so loud we would have a race war on our hands. Look how bad he has the races decided now. We need another Booth to fix things but then we are left with Joe.Originally Posted by RaginCajun
It's hard to believe he does not have a strong socialism agenda or emperor complex. He will do a lot more damage in the next few months. Love how the Iran deal is going also.
Nice, 94% say no he does not have authority to take executive action on gun control.
Last edited by lovbyts; 01-04-2016 at 04:05 PM.
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I dont like obama at all
But from what I read all he wants to do is tighten up gun purchase laws and he increased money for mental health care which is a big problem when it comes to mass shootings.
So for once maybe he did something right
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I agree, mental health is a HUGE issue in this country, HUGE!
I don't have problem with background checks, but just wondering what they will try to slide in there.
Criminals don't buy guns at the store
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Sure sounds good but when has he ever done what he said. Who wants to make a bet there will be a LOT more to it and none of it will do anything to stop or slow down criminals getting guns
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I agree 100% with your statement. All of his actions are filled with under the radar moves that are aimed at undermining the entire structure we currently have in place. The man is determined to take this country down and will stop at nothing. Every pundit in this country can not understand why individuals like Trump are so popular. Even if you don't agree with everything Trump says, at least we would have a leader that makes decisions and sticks with them. Backing down is not in his vocabulary. It is what a leader should do.
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On the surface the whole thing is a joke. Closing the gun show loophole, what a crock of shit...you already have to go through the same background check if you buy it at a show, in the store or wherever else. People that don't buy guns are simply too idiotic to understand this. Nothing in this proposed executive order will do anything that's not already done except for the mental health actions, that's the whole point of this entire thing. It has nothing to do with guns. This new executive order will allow a physician to report anything he deems concerning to the federal government. That is opening a very large door. Hopefully the courts will strike this executive order down, but the courts are hit and miss these days.
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You understand what they are going for with the mental health issues part don't you?
ANYONE who has ever had a prescription for an anti depressant or has been to a counselor for depression would automatically be denied a gun permit and eventually those who have one already it would be revoked.
This would also include anyone suffering from PTSD
I saw this one coming down the like years ago and believe I even posted it here before.
Last edited by lovbyts; 01-05-2016 at 10:30 AM.
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Yes, and I believe it could easily be expanded beyond that.
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Right now they are saying that there are people who are selling guns online or at shows who don't have dealer licenses but they won't give a number of how many you have to sell a year before you are required to get a license. 100? 50? 25? 10? 1???
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you don't need to go through a background check or anything to get a gun at a show in most states. I am not legally allowed to own guns, yet I can go to a gun show in most states, hand somebody cash, and walk out with a gun.
I enjoy gun shows.
*I got a felony for having an empty vial of test-e in my truck. It technically should not have been a felony but I was stupid and plead guilty anyways.
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There are a lot of problems with the BO's exe order. I totally agree that some liberal psychologist will determine who gets to have guns ( x military are screwed), just like liberal judges make dumb decisions daily. The biggest problem is, he is going around the Senate and the House where the politicians that we the people elected to be equal parts of government. Going it alone again. He has no leadership ability to influence Senators or Congress persons to achieve his socialist agenda so he just goes around them, throwing the Constitution to the floor and stomping on it.
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You should be excited, then. If what you're saying is true (it is not) then he can be impeached.
Do you have evidence to support this or is this just the ongoing fear of a slippery-slope?
Watch from 43:00 on and try to find the part where BO is trying to
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Yes my evidence is Obamacare, the Iran DE, the hostage trade and I could site a lot more bit if you don't get it yes it won't make a difference. Some people just like how the Kool aid taste...
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the congress and the house are in bed with him, its hopeless for the current politicians to do anything right, we simply need a revolution or a government overhaul. bring on Trump. if he succeeds in doing what he is promising then great, if not then the whole US government will fall apart then we can start fresh. its win-win situation.
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i couldn't agree more. i am so fvcking amazed so many people/idiots actually trust/believe politicians!
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Are you willing to defend your argument anymore that citing some keywords? I'm challenging you because I do not believe that you can.
I would be very interested in seeing what the world looks like through the eyes of a man who believes that people either agree with him or are "drinking the KoolAid." You hate things before you hear their details. You are 100%; hook, line, and sinker against Obama. It sounds like you, sir, are drinking the KoolAid.
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The people trust them because they dont take any effort at all to learn about the world or politics or anything going on. Its really sickening
I cant tell you how many conversations i had with people who try to tell me something about politics or tried to defend what obama has been doing who ultimately had no idea what theyre talking about. But the democrats are doing the right thing, taking advantage of uneducated people to they stay in office.
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Obama can't be impeached. The constitution states: "The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."
An Executive Order, however misguided, does not fall under any of the above requirements. If the requirements are met, the House brings forth impeachment charges and the Senate rules on conviction.
When it comes to an Executive Order, congress can move for the Supreme Court to rule on the constitutionality of the order. Will congress fight it? Impossible to say, at least to what extent since they've allowed him to do whatever he likes for 7 years and have only recently started fighting him somewhat. The good news is the order will face some level of democrat opposition along with most republicans since many democrats who are elected are from 2nd Amd. supporting districts or states. However, because it's an Executive Order, and because he's now in his last year, a court ruling is pretty much the only thing that will stop it.
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The gun show loophole as it's called is a little misleading. You're right, an individual selling a gun at a gun show isn't required to do a background check. Only dealers, gun dealers, are required to do background checks. At a gun show, at least most gun shows I've been to, most of the booths are made up of retailers. Granted, you're correct, if you buy from an individual who isn't a retailer most states don't require a background check.
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The biggest problem with Obama and our government as a whole is the constitution means absolutely nothing to most people, meaning the blame rest on the people, not government. Most people view the constitution as some cute little document that they learned about in 5th grade social studies that has no real world value. If people actually gave a crap, a real crap, things would be different. But most people are far more concerned with other things. Look at this place, steroid.com, most people are far more concerned with their gains and gear use than they are about anything of real importance. And that's not a knock at steroid.com or the people here. You could take any group of people in the country and find a similar situation with another topic in its place. The problem in the U.S. is the people have misplaced their priorities and as we were warned heavily by the writers of the constitution, government has used this lackadaisical attitude to do whatever it wants.
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Are you sure that executive orders are precluded from moving on impeachment? I thought that a judiciary committee can review eo's to see if they qualify as impeachable offenses. (I am not a lawyer.)
Last edited by bloodchoke; 01-05-2016 at 03:17 PM.
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I dont think they review them just to review them
But i think you go through a process to bring it to court and then you can have the ordered discussed and possibly over turned in court
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And some people will just keep believing the lies over and over. Only a fool will keep doing the same thing that fails over and over expecting different results. No different that predicting the future; the sun will rise tomorrow.
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What lies, specifically?
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I agree and have been saying the same for a long time also, the two party system is a farce and they only pretend to work for us.
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Give it a fvcking rest. If Obama sh+t on your head you wouldn't believe it. All the proof is there if you open your eyes otherwise no amount of proof will be good enough for you. You probably believe he is a Christian too Hahaha
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That's what I suspected. You have no sound argument and you certainly have no evidence, only fear.
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Again all the evidence is there and I've already cites a few. How many do you need to believe? 5? 10? 100? Admit it, it would not matter because if it did you would already agree.
I supported Obama at first for over a year but it became clear everything out of his mouth was lies and he has a not so socialist agenda, thus fundamentally changing America. The only thing he has said truthfully.
No fear, only pissed off at what I see happening and how many blind groupies there are still out there.
I'll bet you are one of those who were praising him 6 months ago about the stock market. What do you say now? LoL The market has not been this low since 2008 and the single biggest drop since 1960s. If you are going to give him credit you have to give him blame also. Well that would make logical sense to most of us but I'm sure it doesn't to you.
Last edited by lovbyts; 01-05-2016 at 04:08 PM.
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Lovbyts, dude, you have not made an argument. You've listed ACA, the Iran agreement, etc., but you haven't addressed their significance to your point. You've thrown out a couple of sentences and we're all expected to just "get it" lest we be labeled sheep or idiots. It is possible, I suppose, that you are making perfect sense. If that is the case, please, help me to understand.
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That's the case exactly. People who believe he has any good intentions or will do what he says are sheep because history has proven otherwise with all his other overreaching. I blame Congress just as much for letting it happen also.
If you don't see it then you won't until its far too late and you will be asking how did this happen? It doesn't happen all at once. Your rights, freedom's and security is being taken little by little. No I won't give examples again if you don't see it you won't or you will make excuses. Luckily for you and others there are still those who are willing to stand up for what is right.
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actually this is a typical response when someone loses or runs out of logic. no disrespect, just wanted to point it out. cheers.
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Yup, most of the rest of the world clearly see he is a joke (not funny haha) but yet a lot of people here still cant.
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Thanks for those, my thumbs were getting tired typing on my phone keyboard. lol
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Last one before work.....
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...e-still-sucks/
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^^This from a guy who posts:
"the congress and the house are in bed with him, its hopeless for the current politicians to do anything right, we simply need a revolution or a government overhaul."
What did I lose? What trail of logic was I on. If you're going to butt into the argument, at least keep up and contribute something apropos of the argument.
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