2nd Cycle Overview and Suggestions - Athlete

[austino]

First cycle of the standard Test-e cycle finished up in Jan and I am planning, preparing, and purchasing for my next cycle; which is planned to begin in mid April.

First cycle results where great! No real complaints and zero problems. The only difference was that my PCT was dialing back my dosage to my TRT plans. Rechecked bloodwork and everything is back to norm and looking good. 10+ pounds gained and most of it has been kept. I have been a little off diet while not on cycle but I am mostly nitpicking.

My second cycle I planned to be a little more athletic focused so in my research I came across the suggested athletic cycle here. https://www.steroid.com/Athletic-Cycle.php The page lists them in full per week doses. Listed below I have the dosage broken into per dose intervals for a week.

Week 1 - 12: 50 - 75mg Test-E 2x per week (current TRT dosing)
Week 5 - 12: 50mg Win ED
Week 1 - 12: 100mg Deca 2x per week
Week 1 - 12: 250iu HCG 2x per week
Week 1 - 12: Sticking with my .25 Arimidex / EOD and checking bw for changes

Current stats - 34
Weight - 195lbs
Heigh 5'7"
BF - 15%-18%
Test - 800'ish
Free T - 22
TSH 2.5
E - 50'ish
PSA, CBC, hemocrit, etc etc. all came back with everything in normal ranges except RBC was 6.23 with a range of 4.1 - 5.7. Doc said donating blood will take care of this.

Thoughts on this? I can always default back to another Test-E cycle but this would be a more focused attempt. Diet would be standard, upped caloric intake (3200 per day) clean carbs, good fats, plenty of proteins. Supplements would include lots of liver support as well.

Specifically this is all for olympic weightlifting.

[austino]

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[austino]

bump for thoughts

[NACH3]

No mention of a DA(dopamine agonist on hand until mid cycle BW)?? Like prami or caber...

However, your doses are pretty much TRT doses w/low dose deca for joint pain?? If your looking to cycle this I'd up your test & deca(test 500/wk - deca 400wkly) then I'd backload the winny imho... I see its for Oly lifting... I'd assume you'd want more strength, too?!

I've always had great results running my test high(er) than any compound I use! Especially with deca... Not that it can't be done but why not have your test dose higher - our bodies need test to grow... List ou any questions or comments that may help me get this better... Thx

[austino]

Is a DA required with this kind of cycle? Didn't need one for my first Test only cycle with test levels around 2500 and everything else checking out. Its not a problem to get either way, I can pick some up and have it ready for mid cycle BW no problem.

What if I increased my Test as mentioned, and kept everything else the same? I enjoyed my test only cycle so this wouldn't be too far off.

Deca - was mainly just following the prescribed cycle to make sure the joints do not dry out and end up in injury. Just want to keep size gains down.
Test - to replace suppressed test
Win - the main focused ingredient for strength gains in the cycle.

Just to reiterate, I want this to be more athletic focused.

[austino]

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[austino]

was thinking about skipping the deca and going 500mcg of test per week for weeks 1-12 and 50mg of winn ED for 8 weeks. thoughts?

[NACH3]

Is a DA required with this kind of cycle? Didn't need one for my first Test only cycle with test levels around 2500 and everything else checking out. Its not a problem to get either way, I can pick some up and have it ready for mid cycle BW no problem.

What if I increased my Test as mentioned, and kept everything else the same? I enjoyed my test only cycle so this wouldn't be too far off.

Deca - was mainly just following the prescribed cycle to make sure the joints do not dry out and end up in injury. Just want to keep size gains down.
Test - to replace suppressed test
Win - the main focused ingredient for strength gains in the cycle.

Just to reiterate, I want this to be more athletic focused.

No... You do not need a DA(Dopamine Agonist - Prami or caber) w/test only! This shows me that your not ready for a 19nor(a progestin - Nandrolone/& trenbolone) which can elevate your prolactin levels which could cause sexual dysfunction if your E2 is not being controlled... Mid cycle blood work will tell you what adjustments need making(AI/DA)!

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-reversal.html
Read this it explains how to control Estrogen/prolactin/progesterone...

[austino]

No... You do not need a DA(Dopamine Agonist - Prami or caber) w/test only! This shows me that your not ready for a 19nor(a progestin - Nandrolone/& trenbolone) which can elevate your prolactin levels which could cause sexual dysfunction if your E2 is not being controlled... Mid cycle blood work will tell you what adjustments need making(AI/DA)!

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-reversal.html
Read this it explains how to control Estrogen/prolactin/progesterone...

Funny, I just read that yesterday. If you feel I am not ready, what suggestions would you have for an athletic focused cycle that isn't just Test-E. The focus being strength and lean mass.

What about a test-e / var cycle? Open to suggestions.

[NACH3]

Funny, I just read that yesterday. If you feel I am not ready, what suggestions would you have for an athletic focused cycle that isn't just Test-E. The focus being strength and lean mass.

I mean you can add in nandrolone(the Decanate ester is very long acting so 'if' you ran into problems then you would be locked into this cycle for another 21days for that ester to clear) you could try NPP(Nandrolone Phenyl Prop) as its a short ester nandrolone that clears in about 4 days...

What's your bf%? Maybe Anavar or winny(injectable or oral - 4-6wks Max on orals w/NAC) alongside test... If you can get good var Id go with that but I have joint problems but winny diced me up when I ran it... T-bol? Lots of options and you can still go with Nandrolone just don't add in two new compounds as you won't know what's causing the sides...

[austino]

I mean you can add in nandrolone(the Decanate ester is very long acting so 'if' you ran into problems then you would be locked into this cycle for another 21days for that ester to clear) you could try NPP(Nandrolone Phenyl Prop) as its a short ester nandrolone that clears in about 4 days...

What's your bf%? Maybe Anavar or winny(injectable or oral - 4-6wks Max on orals w/NAC) alongside test... If you can get good var Id go with that but I have joint problems but winny diced me up when I ran it... T-bol? Lots of options and you can still go with Nandrolone just don't add in two new compounds as you won't know what's causing the sides...

Well that is a good point. Too much going on and I wont know what is doing it. Keep it simple.

What do you think about a test-e 500mg 12 weeks + var 60mgED for the last 6 weeks? Or same test-e plan but win instead @ 50mg a day for 6 weeks? I think i have availability to both and im this will keep things simpler.

[NACH3]

Well that is a good point. Too much going on and I wont know what is doing it. Keep it simple.

What do you think about a test-e 500mg 12 weeks + var 60mgED for the last 6 weeks? Or same test-e plan but win instead @ 50mg a day for 6 weeks? I think i have availability to both and im this will keep things simpler.

What's your bf%? I ask b/c if too high these drugs Wont lean you out unless your diet/& training are on point and your bf% isn't above 12-13% - lower the better!

I like backloading my orals, too! If you can run var Id run it your last 8wks - Winny Is more Hepatoxic, therefore, I wouldn't go past 6wks...

[austino]

Sorry. I forgot that part. I havent measured since my last float tank and then i was 11%, now I would say I am 13% to 15% judging off of this http://i.imgur.com/2P2Lwrg.jpg or this https://gymjunkies-designforest1.net...e-Body-Fat.png

[NACH3]

Sorry. I forgot that part. I havent measured since my last float tank and then i was 11%, now I would say I am 13% to 15% judging off of this http://i.imgur.com/2P2Lwrg.jpg or this https://gymjunkies-designforest1.net...e-Body-Fat.png

Ok... Try and get to 12% or lower(intermitting fasting is great) or if your diet Is dialed in you can make small adjustments to get there and then go on - you'll have a much more successful cycle as well!

[austino]

Ok... Try and get to 12% or lower(intermitting fasting is great) or if your diet Is dialed in you can make small adjustments to get there and then go on - you'll have a much more successful cycle as well!

Deal. Diet is generally dialed in. The past week has been a break but ready to go back to simple clean foods again on monday. This cycle by the way is going to start in mind-april so I have time to get to where I need.

Would you suggest Var over Win for this 2nd cycle?