My first cycle ever - Sustanon - comprehensive cycle info - need your advice

[MusclePupInTraining]

Hi guys,

I have put together a comprehensive plan for my first cycle (for research purposes only, of course).

I am 33 year old male, 5' 7 1/2", about 170 pretty lean and muscular (except this damn belly, haha). I've been working out for many years and have gotten very serious about it the last 3-4 years, I eat healthy unprocessed foods. I work out 5-6 times a week. I know what I'm doing in the gym, but nobody's perfect and love learning more.

I've gained about 30 lbs in the past 3 years - lost a lot of fat and really toned up, which I'm very proud of. I do feel that i've plateaued these past 1.5 years.

My proposed cycle is below. A few notes:

• Ostarine is included because i've been taking that already and am finishing up the supply I have. But I could take it or leave it, my muscles do seem more dense and hard, but haven't seen a ton of results other than that (not that I'm complaining about hard muscles).
• I plan on doing hcg and arimidex on-cycle.
• I front-loaded the sust the first week - I don't know if this was a good choice but it's already done.
• During PCT Clomid is 4 wks, 40/20/20/20 ED (for some reason the table is a little messed up)

You can find the plan in a google doc here.

So the total duration is 17 weeks.

Please provide any and all feedback. Thank you!

[MusclePupInTraining]

SUPPLEMENT SCHEDULE
Date	Sustanon	Ostarine	HCG	Arimidex	Nolvadex	Clomid
Week 1
Monday, March 28, 2016	500mg	50mg
Tuesday, March 29, 2016		50mg
Wednesday, March 30, 2016	250 mg	50mg
Thursday, March 31, 2016		50mg
Friday, April 01, 2016	125mg	50mg
Saturday, April 02, 2016		50mg
Sunday, April 03, 2016	125mg	50mg
WEEK 2
Monday, April 04, 2016		50mg	250 ius
Tuesday, April 05, 2016	125mg	50mg		.25 mg
Wednesday, April 06, 2016		50mg
Thursday, April 07, 2016	125mg	50mg	250 ius	.25 mg
Friday, April 08, 2016		50mg
Saturday, April 09, 2016	125mg	50mg		.25 mg
Sunday, April 10, 2016		50mg
WEEK 3
Monday, April 11, 2016	125mg	50mg	250 ius	.25 mg
Tuesday, April 12, 2016		50mg
Wednesday, April 13, 2016	125mg	50mg		.25 mg
Thursday, April 14, 2016		50mg	250 ius
Friday, April 15, 2016	125mg	50mg		.25 mg
Saturday, April 16, 2016		50mg
Sunday, April 17, 2016	125mg	50mg		.25 mg
WEEK 4
Monday, April 18, 2016			250 ius
Tuesday, April 19, 2016	125mg			.25 mg
Wednesday, April 20, 2016
Thursday, April 21, 2016	125mg		250 ius	.25 mg
Friday, April 22, 2016
Saturday, April 23, 2016	125mg			.25 mg
Sunday, April 24, 2016
WEEK 5
Monday, April 25, 2016	125mg		250 ius	.25 mg
Tuesday, April 26, 2016
Wednesday, April 27, 2016	125mg			.25 mg
Thursday, April 28, 2016			250 ius
Friday, April 29, 2016	125mg			.25 mg
Saturday, April 30, 2016
Sunday, May 01, 2016	125mg			.25 mg
WEEK 6
Monday, May 02, 2016			250 ius
Tuesday, May 03, 2016	125mg			.25 mg
Wednesday, May 04, 2016
Thursday, May 05, 2016	125mg		250 ius	.25 mg
Friday, May 06, 2016
Saturday, May 07, 2016	125mg			.25 mg
Sunday, May 08, 2016
WEEK 7
Monday, May 09, 2016	125mg		250 ius	.25 mg
Tuesday, May 10, 2016
Wednesday, May 11, 2016	125mg			.25 mg
Thursday, May 12, 2016			250 ius
Friday, May 13, 2016	125mg			.25 mg
Saturday, May 14, 2016
Sunday, May 15, 2016	125mg			.25 mg
WEEK 8
Monday, May 16, 2016			250 ius
Tuesday, May 17, 2016	125mg			.25 mg
Wednesday, May 18, 2016
Thursday, May 19, 2016	125mg		250 ius	.25 mg
Friday, May 20, 2016
Saturday, May 21, 2016	125mg			.25 mg
Sunday, May 22, 2016
WEEK 9
Monday, May 23, 2016	125mg		250 ius	.25 mg
Tuesday, May 24, 2016
Wednesday, May 25, 2016	125mg			.25 mg
Thursday, May 26, 2016			250 ius
Friday, May 27, 2016	125mg			.25 mg
Saturday, May 28, 2016
Sunday, May 29, 2016	125mg			.25 mg
WEEK 10
Monday, May 30, 2016			250 ius
Tuesday, May 31, 2016	125mg			.25 mg
Wednesday, June 01, 2016
Thursday, June 02, 2016	125mg		250 ius	.25 mg
Friday, June 03, 2016
Saturday, June 04, 2016	125mg			.25 mg
Sunday, June 05, 2016
WEEK 11
Monday, June 06, 2016			250 ius
Tuesday, June 07, 2016				.25 mg
Wednesday, June 08, 2016
Thursday, June 09, 2016			250 ius	.25 mg
Friday, June 10, 2016
Saturday, June 11, 2016				.25 mg
Sunday, June 12, 2016
WEEK 12
Monday, June 13, 2016			250 ius
Tuesday, June 14, 2016				.25 mg
Wednesday, June 15, 2016
Thursday, June 16, 2016			250 ius	.25 mg
Friday, June 17, 2016
Saturday, June 18, 2016				.25 mg
Sunday, June 19, 2016
WEEK 13
Monday, June 20, 2016			250 ius
Tuesday, June 21, 2016				.25 mg
Wednesday, June 22, 2016
Thursday, June 23, 2016			250 ius	.25 mg
Friday, June 24, 2016
Saturday, June 25, 2016				.25 mg
Sunday, June 26, 2016
WEEK 14
Monday, June 27, 2016					75 mg	40 mg
Tuesday, June 28, 2016					75 mg	40 mg
Wednesday, June 29, 2016					75 mg	40 mg
Thursday, June 30, 2016					75 mg	40 mg
Friday, July 01, 2016					75 mg	40 mg
Saturday, July 02, 2016					75 mg	40 mg
Sunday, July 03, 2016					75 mg	40 mg
WEEK 15
Monday, July 04, 2016					50 mg	20 mg
Tuesday, July 05, 2016					50 mg	20 mg
Wednesday, July 06, 2016					50 mg	20 mg
Thursday, July 07, 2016					50 mg	20 mg
Friday, July 08, 2016					50 mg	20 mg
Saturday, July 09, 2016					50 mg	20 mg
Sunday, July 10, 2016					50 mg	20 mg
WEEK 16
Monday, July 11, 2016					50 mg	20 mg
Tuesday, July 12, 2016					50 mg	20 mg
Wednesday, July 13, 2016					50 mg	20 mg
Thursday, July 14, 2016					50 mg	20 mg
Friday, July 15, 2016					50 mg	20 mg
Saturday, July 16, 2016					50 mg	20 mg
Sunday, July 17, 2016					50 mg	20 mg
WEEK 17
Monday, July 18, 2016					50 mg	20 mg
Tuesday, July 19, 2016					50 mg	20 mg
Wednesday, July 20, 2016					50 mg	20 mg
Thursday, July 21, 2016					50 mg	20 mg
Friday, July 22, 2016					50 mg	20 mg
Saturday, July 23, 2016					50 mg	20 mg
Sunday, July 24, 2016					50 mg	20 mg

[DROY]

Start the HCG the third day of the first week and the dex the second day of the first week. Why are you pinning the sust every two days? With sust you can pin twice a week and have about the same result.

[numbere]

Start your dex and hcg on day one. Run the hcg up to 3 days before pct and the dex when PCT begins.

17 weeks is way too long. You should stop at 12 weeks.

EOD or every three days is fine with sust but you should up the dosage to 500 mg/week.

BW pre, mid and post are important, especially for your first cycle.

[MusclePupInTraining]

Thanks for the info -- btw 17 weeks includes the waiting period AND post cycle therapy. So the entire thing is 17 weeks.

I will start dex and hcg asap. Thank you!

[MusclePupInTraining]

I don't mind pinning more often, if there's a possibility it's going to take advantage of the short esters more often.

Thank you for the tips!

[numbere]

Thanks for the info -- btw 17 weeks includes the waiting period AND post cycle therapy. So the entire thing is 17 weeks.

I will start dex and hcg asap. Thank you!

Haha my bad. I'm suffering from being over caffeinated and a lack of sleep.

You can stop pinning at the end of week 10 or extend it to 12 weeks and it shouldn't have much effect on recovery.

[Back In Black]

your clomid and Nolva doses are the wrong way around

Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 75/50/50/50

[The Deadlifting Dog]

How long have you been taking ostarine?
It is suppresive and you might have already been on too long.
You might need to finish the SARM and then PCT and then wait months and start your cycle.

[Mr.BB]

^^^ This. You need to PCT and do bloodwork 6-8 weeks after.

Also blends like sustanon are not the best for 1st cycle, your virgin muscles will complain...

[DGenRit]

I don't mind pinning more often, if there's a possibility it's going to take advantage of the short esters more often.

Thank you for the tips!

EOD is best with Sust. I'm about to start that too. It has some short esters in its blend. E3D is fine too but EOD is best.

[MusclePupInTraining]

^^^ This. You need to PCT and do bloodwork 6-8 weeks after.

Also blends like sustanon are not the best for 1st cycle, your virgin muscles will complain...

Ugh. Yes. I am hobbling around like a 95 year old woman. The pain is REALLY challenging with sust.

[MusclePupInTraining]

How long have you been taking ostarine?
It is suppresive and you might have already been on too long.
You might need to finish the SARM and then PCT and then wait months and start your cycle.

I was taking Ostarine for 5 weeks - cycle has already started, so it's probably too late. I'm not worried about the Ost - it's been shown to be mildly suppressive for some people - a calculated risk I am taking I guess.

Thank you for the info!