Planning a 15 Weeks Test E Cycle

[Muse]

Hi Guys,
I've spent the past 3 months or so priming/cutting using carb cycling and diet for a third cycle which will be Test E for 12 weeks on a lean bulk. I'm looking to bulk for my holiday, I'm hoping to finish my last pin on the day before I travel for 2 weeks. Then when I return resume with 4 weeks of PCT.

I'm open to all advice on cycle duration etc. Dianabol kick start to be used at 30mg/day.


Age: 25
BF: 10%
Height: 5ft 8"
Cycle History: 10 week of Andropen 275@275mg/wk, 10 weeks of Test E@500mg/wk with Dbol Kicker 20mg

Proposed Cycle:
Cycle
1-4 : Dbol @ 30mg/day (potentially puled, I had zero sides from 20mg, well I controlled with AI)
1-12 : Test E @ 300mg/3.5 days (600mg/week)
1-12 : HCG @ 250iu/3.5 days (500iu/week) - stopping after last pin.
1-14 : Adex @ 0.25mg eod (other than bloods whats a good indication to up/down this?)

PCT:
15-18 : Clomid @ 75/50/50/50
15-18 : Nolva @ 40/20/20/20

Supps:
1-21 : NAC @ 1800mg/day for 1-4, then 4-6 1200mg/day, then 5-21 600mg/day.
1-21 : Fish Oil Omega 3 and vitmins @ 1000mg/day
1-21 : Flax Seed Oil




Diet on Cycle:




Thanks - Open to all advice.

Muse'

[uniqueusername]

My friend went on a vacation during his PCT. He came back depressed because he lost a lot of weight. I personally find it very hard to eat and track my food while I am on vacation. If you can continue eating and working out its no different.

4 weeks of dbol and week 8-15 anavar...that's a lot of stress on your liver.

[dk94]

I did Almost the exact same cycle as you minus the dbol before a trip to mexico. Last pin the day i left, my trip was only 10 days. Your test levels will be up for a week then the last week you might feel poor. I ran test E for 16 weeks and ran a 6-7 week PCT. I recovered well and had no issues but i strongly recommend extending your pct and upping the clomid dose to 100 for the first two weeks and keeping it at 50 for the remainder.

Are you staying stateside or traveling out of country? i only ask because it will be beneficial to run an Ai until pct.

[Muse]

You might be able to help out, travelling with AI was my next question. I use pharma grade armidex. I'm travelling from UK to Florida.. Would this be an issue?

Is the var too much to finish on?

I'll buy more clomid and extend pct to 5 weeks Maybe 6?
Clomid: 100/50/50/50/50
Nolva: 40/40/40/20/20

Muse'

[Daniel256512]

No hate, but why are you running the test not much higher than trt dosage?

[almostgone]

No hate, but why are you running the test not much higher than trt dosage?

Unless I'm misunderstanding his cycle layout, he is running 300mg E3.5D, which would put him @ 600mg/week.

[Muse]

No hate, but why are you running the test not much higher than trt dosage?

Dude, 300mg/ml @ 1ml every 3.5 days = 600mg Test / Week.

[Muse]

1.) Could someone please confirm on the requirement to extend PCT over 4 week for using 15 week Test cycle.
2.) Alternatively is 15 weeks way too long? Will gains stop after week 10 - 12 ?
3.) Also HCG from day 1, to last pin ?

Thanks
Muse'

[numbere]

Extending your PCT won't hurt.

IMO yes 15 weeks is long. Everyone is different so there's no way to say when gains will stop, but they will likely slow to a crawl past 12 weeks. You can only gain so much in one one cycle.

Hcg from day 1 to 2-3 days before PCT.

Going on vacation over the course of a cycle should be avoided if possible.

When taking an oral up your NAC to at least 1800mg.

There's no need to front load nolva for 3 weeks. One week is more than enough.

If the dbol gives you bad sides then consider pulsing.

[kelkel]

My guess is you may need a bit more adex, but only BW will answer that question. Agree with numbere, I'd up the NAC to at least 1800, probably 2400 due to the oral.

[Muse]

Can anyone else please comment on this, I'm hearing conflicting information between finish PCT before holiday, and some saying it's okay to jab the day before I go, and 14 days later upon return from holiday (probably bad diet too), begin PCT...

Thanks mate, Ill up the NAC 1-4, and lower nolva to 40/20/20/20/

[dk94]

Can anyone else please comment on this, I'm hearing conflicting information between finish PCT before holiday, and some saying it's okay to jab the day before I go, and 14 days later upon return from holiday (probably bad diet too), begin PCT...

Thanks mate, Ill up the NAC 1-4, and lower nolva to 40/20/20/20/

It worked great for my but this is purely anecdotal, what worked for me might not work for you. I pinned the morning i left, it felt good being on while on vacation. i ate a lot of junk but kept the intake of protein high and still trained in the hotel gym.

[Muse]

Thanks buddy, I'll do that and reduce to a 12 weeks cycle. Please see changes in original post

[Muse]

Is there any better ways to get the most out of this cycle?
I worry that by 6-8 weeks I'll be accustomed and don't know whether I should gradually increase the dosage or add another compound. I've tried to stay away from deca because of its enormous shut down potential, I had a friend that 6month after pct still had impotence!

Any experience on how to improve this please?
I begin the cycle on June 1st, as I'm still cutting my BF down, currently 9.75~%

[numbere]

Is there any better ways to get the most out of this cycle?
I worry that by 6-8 weeks I'll be accustomed and don't know whether I should gradually increase the dosage or add another compound. I've tried to stay away from deca because of its enormous shut down potential, I had a friend that 6month after pct still had impotence!

Any experience on how to improve this please?
I begin the cycle on June 1st, as I'm still cutting my BF down, currently 9.75~%

I don't really understand your reasoning behind becoming accustomed.

You'll be taking a long ester test, not staying in a smelly hotel room.

If you're worried about having diminishing effects as the cycle progresses then consider pulsing the dbol 2 weeks on 2 weeks off for 12 weeks.

[Muse]

Guys, I was wondering:

I want to add NPP to this cycle, can I run as follows:

Week 1 - 8 @ 300mg/week. Injected e3.5 days?

Would this be worth while?



Thanks.

[dk94]

Remember elevated prolactin could become an issue, you would also need to inject eod because of the short ester. If you want a 2x week injection schedule why dont you get regular deca? If you run this consider getting some caber or prami to combat the prolactin issues.

[Muse]

Due to the enormous shutdown from deca. I've heard horror stories of it lingering months after PCT.
If I was to use NPP, would it go best at the beginning (with dbol), middle or end of the cycle?

Also when injecting EOD, what days do you inject on to keep levels, because the day you tart on one week will be different the next? Ill go to EOD injection for the use of NPP.

[DROY]

NPP and deca are basically the same thing with a different ester. They will both shut you down in the same way. IMHO if you run NPP you should run a short ester test like test prop and pin EOD. If you run a long ester test like test e then run deca and pin every 3.5 days. This way you always pin the same way and the AAS are working together.

[Muse]

NPP and deca are basically the same thing with a different ester. They will both shut you down in the same way. IMHO if you run NPP you should run a short ester test like test prop and pin EOD. If you run a long ester test like test e then run deca and pin every 3.5 days. This way you always pin the same way and the AAS are working together.

Appreciate the input mate, but...... of course they're the same thing, the compound is Nandrolone. the Decanoate ester is a very long halflife and people have tested positive for this months sometimes years after their cycle! This is what puts me off, and makes me want to use the very quick acting NPP.

[dk94]

Appreciate the input mate, but...... of course they're the same thing, the compound is Nandrolone. the Decanoate ester is a very long halflife and people have tested positive for this months sometimes years after their cycle! This is what puts me off, and makes me want to use the very quick acting NPP.

its not a big deal. i would just change your injection schedule to eod or mon-wed-fri also dividing your test between each shot to ease up the proponate pip

[Muse]

its not a big deal. i would just change your injection schedule to eod or mon-wed-fri also dividing your test between each shot to ease up the proponate pip

Thanks so could I run:
1-4 Dbol @30mg/week Kickstart.
1-6 NPP @300mg/week (split 100mg on thurs, sat, mon)
1-6 Test E @600mg/week (split 200mg on thurs, sat, mon)
7-12 Test E @600mg/week (split 300mg on thurs, sun)

[dk94]

Might want to add pramipexole to combat the prolactin sides. What is most commonly referred to as deca dick is caused by increased prolactin levels. Its usually taken at 1mg a day and available at most research chemical sites. Do your research on it first, dosage has to be gradually increased or you will feel sick.

[numbere]

Thanks so could I run:
1-4 Dbol @30mg/week Kickstart.
1-6 NPP @300mg/week (split 100mg on thurs, sat, mon)
1-6 Test E @600mg/week (split 200mg on thurs, sat, mon)
7-12 Test E @600mg/week (split 300mg on thurs, sun)

This is not an ideal cycle.

The first 100mg of npp will shut your HPTA down for over 10 days.

I doubt your test will be working by then.

I don't mean to be a Debbie Downer but if you don't know how to design a cycle around a compound then you shouldn't be using that compound.

[BG]

I don't really understand your reasoning behind becoming accustomed.

You'll be taking a long ester test, not staying in a smelly hotel room.

lmao !

[Muse]

This is not an ideal cycle.

The first 100mg of npp will shut your HPTA down for over 10 days.

I doubt your test will be working by then.

I don't mean to be a Debbie Downer but if you don't know how to design a cycle around a compound then you shouldn't be using that compound.

Haha, very true! It's late, I meant to type the following: I was copying from my spreadsheet and still got it wrong...

1-4 Dbol @30mg/week Kickstart.
1-4 Test E @600mg/week (split 300mg on thurs, sun)
------------------------------------------------------------------
5-9 Test E @600mg/week (split 200mg on thurs, sat, mon)
5-9 NPP @300mg/week (split 100mg on thurs, sat, mon)
10-12 Test E @600mg/week (split 300mg on thurs, sun)

13 - 14 OFF
15 - 18 PCT, Clomid 100/50/50/50, Nolva 40/20/20/20


HCG on Cycle x2/week @ 250iu (500iu/week).
Adex @ 0.25 EOD to 0.5 EOD+ if necessary.
Liver support NAC all through the cycle.


If this is not good please help advise, Its my first 19-nor

Muse'

[numbere]

Haha, very true! It's late, I meant to type the following: I was copying from my spreadsheet and still got it wrong...

1-4 Dbol @30mg/week Kickstart.
1-4 Test E @600mg/week (split 300mg on thurs, sun)
------------------------------------------------------------------
5-9 Test E @600mg/week (split 200mg on thurs, sat, mon)
5-9 NPP @300mg/week (split 100mg on thurs, sat, mon)
10-12 Test E @600mg/week (split 300mg on thurs, sun)

13 - 14 OFF
15 - 18 PCT, Clomid 100/50/50/50, Nolva 40/20/20/20


HCG on Cycle x2/week @ 250iu (500iu/week).
Adex @ 0.25 EOD to 0.5 EOD+ if necessary.
Liver support NAC all through the cycle.


If this is not good please help advise, Its my first 19-nor

Muse'

Well it looks a lot better than your last one...

I'm not sure it's possible to come up with a more complicated pinning schedule lol.

Why not just pin the test every third day, and the npp eod?

IMO if you really want to use npp then you'd be better off pairing it with prop.

That cycle, though unorthodox, should work fine just make sure to keep a log of your pinning so that you don't get confused.

You need to at least have a DA on hand if your going to use a 19 nor and it would be a good idea to add two more weeks of nolva to your PCT.

[Muse]

Well it looks a lot better than your last one...

I'm not sure it's possible to come up with a more complicated pinning schedule lol.

Why not just pin the test every third day, and the npp eod?

IMO if you really want to use npp then you'd be better off pairing it with prop.

That cycle, though unorthodox, should work fine just make sure to keep a log of your pinning so that you don't get confused.

You need to at least have a DA on hand if your going to use a 19 nor and it would be a good idea to add two more weeks of nolva to your PCT.

Man, I'm in two minds...... Thanks for your help too!
NPP will confuse it... full stop. I'd consider Nandrolone Deca, however.... I'm scared of the enormous ester release time and worries ill take ages to recover...

How would I use EQ Boldenone Undecylenate in this cycle stacked with Test E? I was thinking 400 - 500mg/week along with the test at 600mg/week. Unsure on how long to run, or how long to wit for PCT though...

Muse'

[dk94]

Youre making things more complicated than they need to be. If your running test E pct starts 12 days from last pin.

[dk94]

Consider masteron, may aid in achieving the goals you desire but it is also a proponate ester

[Muse]

Yeh Ive looked into masteron, Bold (EQ) seems more up my street. What is peoples thoughts on EQ? I dont know many who have used it... ?

[numbere]

How would I use EQ Boldenone Undecylenate in this cycle stacked with Test E? I was thinking 400 - 500mg/week along with the test at 600mg/week. Unsure on how long to run, or how long to wit for PCT though...

I thought the goal of this cycle was a lean bulk.

At least that was your goal when we did your macros.

IMO eq is a waste, but if you did want to try it out it's best used for muscle preservation on during a cut.

Again, I don't mean to be a dick but if you don't know how long to run a compound or when to begin PCT then you aren't ready for that compound.

If you're bulking your choices a somewhat limited.

You have test, adrol, dbol, tbol, deca, npp, tren, and primo to choose from for a stack.

I suppose you could make the argument that eq and whinny can be beneficial in a bulk, but your best bet is to chose from the compounds above.

It seems like you don't have much experience composing cycles and are hesitant of 19 nors, so I think you should just run 500mg of test and pulse an oral of your choice.

[Muse]

Id love to try tren at low dose, maybe supplement a few weeks of tren ace into the test e cycle. What doges would be considered s mild for first timer on tren? I'll try to source caber being a 19nor

[numbere]

Id love to try tren at low dose, maybe supplement a few weeks of tren ace into the test e cycle. What doges would be considered s mild for first timer on tren? I'll try to source caber being a 19nor

I'd love to do a lot of things, but that doesn't mean any of them are a good idea.

You've only used test before in 2 cycles.

I don't think you should use tren.

It's better to use nandrolone first because it's a better bulker, has less side effects and usually less expensive.

Imo either test e/deca or prop/npp would be better cycles.

[Muse]

I'd love to do a lot of things, but that doesn't mean any of them are a good idea.

You've only used test before in 2 cycles.

I don't think you should use tren.

It's better to use nandrolone first because it's a better bulker, has less side effects and usually less expensive.

Imo either test e/deca or prop/npp would be better cycles.

Sorted, Going With Nand Deca. Not sure on how to run yet though.
Test E 600mg/week, Deca 350-400mg/week.

1-12 Test
1-9/10 Deca (I wanna make sure I allow Plenty time for it to leave my system!)

Caber unsure if it' needed or needed on hand. 0.25 x2 times per week??




Thanks