First cycle questions under genetic max

[Shiga]

Been thinking of giving a cycle a go but I have a few questions about cycling under genetic Max. My questions mostly revolving around how much would be kept after the cycle, and as I plan to do one cycle and be done for good, how quickly would my body get back to normal?

As far as weight kept after cycle, since I am below genetic potential , what should I expect? I will be training heavily and going for a flawless diet, that I'll be modifying every week or so.

As far as recovery after cycle goes, how long will it take for my body to get back to "normal"? I plan to only do one cycle, and was wondering if I can still make some gains after I'm finished and back to normal .

My stats are male 26 I'm 5 11 and weigh in at a mean 140 pounds, body fat around 5-7%. I have extensive martial arts training and nutritional knowledge and have been getting into weight training in the last half year, and having great results.

As far as a cycle goes, I feel like the beginners cycle on this site seems excellent, and I will most likely be following it (I can list the cycle if needed). I will also most likely be using testabolix 300, if anyone has used it before and has any info on it, that would be appreciated.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Doing a cycle to gain would you could easily gain naturally is pretty irresponsible to your own well being.

Seriously.
You've been training for 6 months and you want to go on??

[Proximal]

Plus, I'm recently single and feel like being a slut this Summer 😊

Not the best sentence to sum up & conclude your questions with, sorry.

[Shiga]

How would it be irresponsible , feedback is appreciated. I have around 15 years of various MA experience and a pretty good knowledge of kinesiology. I'm pretty good at movements and injury prevention. But I am also concerned about possible joint damage from the cycle and was wondering if any possible damage would be exacerbated by gear use and muscle gain?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

How would it be irresponsible , feedback is appreciated. I have around 15 years of various MA experience and a pretty good knowledge of kinesiology. I'm pretty good at movements and injury prevention. But I am also concerned about possible joint damage from the cycle and was wondering if any possible damage would be exacerbated by gear use and muscle gain?

You are putting your HPTA at risk over gainz that could easily come from more gym and more food.

[Back In Black]

Eat

Eat

Eat

Eat

No cycle will put weight on you if you don't eat enough. Why don't you try a flawless diet for the next 6 months and see what happens.

[Proximal]

How would it be irresponsible , feedback is appreciated. I have around 15 years of various MA experience and a pretty good knowledge of kinesiology. I'm pretty good at movements and injury prevention. But I am also concerned about possible joint damage from the cycle and was wondering if any possible damage would be exacerbated by gear use and muscle gain?

You are a naturally "slim" person, I am in the same boat & I understand the desire the speed up the muscle development process. However, you did mention though that you've only been weight training for 6 months (and having great results). Just a recommendation, give yourself at least another year with the weights, be more mindful of diet needed to add quality muscle (I personally would not want to lose that low of bf%) and then reconsider.

In the mean-time, really read some of the threads/posts regarding the consequences of AAS, particularly at a younger age. Not to put words in other members mouths, who are far more knowledgeable than myself, but with respect to irresponsible, yes it would be, at least with these circumstances. One very cool thing about this forum is how much the members do look out for those with questions like yourself.

BTW, I hope I didn't come off as rude with my first post. I was just suggesting it possibly made your questions, a little less serious. Thanks for understanding!

[Shiga]

As far as HPTA damage goes, it would still be a concern even with proper PCT and use of hcg during cycle? HPTA damage is most concerning to me in regards to the consideration of a cycle. I unfortunately can find very little info on this. The only information I am able to find is more on the results from improper cycling, or substance abuse.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

As far as HPTA damage goes, it would still be a concern even with proper PCT and use of hcg during cycle? HPTA damage is most concerning to me in regards to the consideration of a cycle. I unfortunately can find very little info on this. The only information I am able to find is more on the results from improper cycling, or substance abuse.

Any and all cycles carry risks of damaging your HPTA.

[kelkel]

Cycling now would be throwing your money out the window. Until you learn to eat (like referenced) it's all risk and no reward.
You can easily gain 20 lbs in a year just by eating properly. Your 140 lbs, if you want to weigh 160 then you must eat like you weigh 160 etc., and so on until you reach your desired body weight. And then maintain it via nutrition and training. It doesn't just stick with you......

[Shiga]

As far as the dieting goes, I am very meticulous. With my current plan, I have been gaining steady strength and size gains (probably 4kg within 7 or so months). I could eat for 160, but that would also raise my body fat considerably. I was wondering if a cycle would, in a sense, allow me to train harder and speed my results. I don't mind working hard for gains, and I understand anabolics don't magically make you bigger. There just doesn't really seem to be much info on the effects of cycling for someone under genetic max, and my main concern, HPTA recovery.

[Proximal]

As far as the dieting goes, I am very meticulous. With my current plan, I have been gaining steady strength and size gains (probably 4kg within 7 or so months). I could eat for 160, but that would also raise my body fat considerably. I was wondering if a cycle would, in a sense, allow me to train harder and speed my results. I don't mind working hard for gains, and I understand anabolics don't magically make you bigger. There just doesn't really seem to be much info on the effects of cycling for someone under genetic max, and my main concern, HPTA recovery.

Well, this is where I will partially sympathize with you and I will also very respectfully disagree with what is mentioned regarding eating as being so much of the solution. But this is just my opinion.

First and foremost, everything I've read about on this forum and other sources indicates that any cycle has risks to the HPTA, please respect that. Secondly, I think you need to lift more; you mentioned 6 months with good progress, why jump the gun so quickly?

O.K. with those things said - what I don't think some of the members on this forum have experienced is simply not responding to weight training, or responding very poorly. The frustration in trying everything you read about, and simply not responding. I am talking about solid, intelligent training and nutrition, with little response - enormously frustrating and honestly painful.

Please forgive the rant: at 57, with only 7 months of 150 mg./week, my body is better than it EVER has been; EVER, more muscle and less fat. There were was a period of at least 15 years (20's and 30's) in which I NEVER missed a workout and ate smart. I was a physical therapist and personal trainer before many of you were born - and despite my education/training, I could not improve, until now - at 57, after 2 total hips, with 150 mg. / week.

So that's my rant, and that's why I partially sympathize with you. Please, in my honest opinion, you are too young and need more training. Put in the time, maximize what you can get naturally - knowing that when the time comes; then you can get the boost that you need.

Sorry for the rant.

[InternalFire]

Well, this is where I will partially sympathize with you and I will also very respectfully disagree with what is mentioned regarding eating as being so much of the solution. But this is just my opinion.

First and foremost, everything I've read about on this forum and other sources indicates that any cycle has risks to the HPTA, please respect that. Secondly, I think you need to lift more; you mentioned 6 months with good progress, why jump the gun so quickly?

O.K. with those things said - what I don't think some of the members on this forum have experienced is simply not responding to weight training, or responding very poorly. The frustration in trying everything you read about, and simply not responding. I am talking about solid, intelligent training and nutrition, with little response - enormously frustrating and honestly painful.

Please forgive the rant: at 57, with only 7 months of 150 mg./week, my body is better than it EVER has been; EVER, more muscle and less fat. There were was a period of at least 15 years (20's and 30's) in which I NEVER missed a workout and ate smart. I was a physical therapist and personal trainer before many of you were born - and despite my education/training, I could not improve, until now - at 57, after 2 total hips, with 150 mg. / week.

So that's my rant, and that's why I partially sympathize with you. Please, in my honest opinion, you are too young and need more training. Put in the time, maximize what you can get naturally - knowing that when the time comes; then you can get the boost that you need.

Sorry for the rant.

Proximal, I must admit, you have nailed it here. Respect for sharp but just thoughts!

[Shiga]

Really thought provoking posts so far, love the constructive critique. And Proximal, you nailed it. My body is an asshole when it comes to gaining mass, even when I put a massive effort into my training. I do get results, just very discouraging ones. But nevertheless, I guess results are still results.

[kelkel]

Proximal, I must admit, you have nailed it here.

Twas very well said!