Looking for pros and cons of a skinny fat cycle?

[1010101]

27, 5 11" 162 lbs. 3.5 miles 4x a week. Keto diet 6+ months. Typical day is oatmeal for breakfast, whole wheat ham sandwich 6oz+ ham, plum and 2 cups sliced strawberries or pineapple for lunch. 8oz Tilapia or 12 oz ny strip with 2 cups romaine lettuce and 3 tablespoon Italian dressing.

Belly fat and love handles are the absolute last place to go. I'm going to cut naturally, but I know I have another 15 lbs at least of bf to go before I am pure skinny. I'm wondering if there would be any benefit adding testosterone prop, Tren ace and drostanolone prop, T3 and Clen.

I have use T3 and Clen multiple times and although it definitely helps me lose weight, the stomach fat is still there.

Any info is appreciated.

[ePeeZy]

You obviously have no idea what a Keto diet is. Ketogenic diet refers to the body being in a state of ketosis, which is produced by consuming less than 30 grams of carbs/day, you have more than 30 grams in your breakfast.

Secondly, cardio and training = fat loss, not drugs. I'm assuming your saying your run 3.5 miles 4x/week. Start weight training 5 days/week and add HIIT in post workout. BOOM! you'll get rid of the skinny fat look

[1010101]

Takes me 3-4 days <30 carbs to get into keto. Once in I can eat up to 80 carbs if not more while staying in ketosis. I check using test strips.

[ePeeZy]

I check using test strips.

Ketostix only show that you are producing ketones, doesn't necessarily mean you are in ketosis. You would need to do a finger prick blood test to determine blood ketone level. If you are in ketosis it will show a minimum of 1.5 mmol/l.

I'm not saying your not in ketosis because everyone is different. But if you have been in actual ketosis for 6 + months, then you should absolutely be less than 25% BF

Not trying to call you out or be a dick, just trying to educate a little. Lots of misnomers out there surrounding ketosis, not unlike AAS.

[1010101]

I understand. I could be wrong about being in Ketosis.

I'm definitely under 25% bf. Probably closer to 15-18%. I have belly fat and love handles which looks even worse since my arms, legs and neck/face are so skinny. Once I get down to 155 I have a very hard time losing any more weight and I still have a good amount of fat on me. I don't think cutting is going to get me to a low bf% without completely losing every oz of muscle I have left. I don't see myself gaining muscle while on a calorie deficit and barley being able to maintain lifts. I know that if I eat more and "bulk" I will gain some weight back, but if I can pack on a decent amount of muscle i'm hoping I will be able to cut after that and have a low bf at a higher over all weight.

[Metalject]

Most keto diets are less than 50g of carbs per day with a cheat meal once per week and in some cases a refeed day once a week depending on the person.

There's no way on earth your body is relying on ketones with your diet, not a chance in this world. You may be losing weight if you're in a calorie deficit, being in ketosis doesn't have anything to do with a calorie deficit. But if you're shooting for keto you'd need to adjust your diet pretty dramatically.

[BG]

Most keto diets are less than 50g of carbs per day with a cheat meal once per week and in some cases a refeed day once a week depending on the person.

There's no way on earth your body is relying on ketones with your diet, not a chance in this world. You may be losing weight if you're in a calorie deficit, being in ketosis doesn't have anything to do with a calorie deficit. But if you're shooting for keto you'd need to adjust your diet pretty dramatically.

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I think would also be hard to continue it for 6 months. I had a hard time for 6 weeks.

[Metalject]

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I think would also be hard to continue it for 6 months. I had a hard time for 6 weeks.

It's not easy at first but if your fats are high enough you should be able to coast fairly comfortably. I did several preps on keto diets, leanest and hardest I've ever gotten was doing keto. But unlike other plans there's a lot less room for error, IMO.

Biggest mistakes people make when doing a keto diet:

1. Too much time between meals
2. Too many carbs
3. Not enough fats
4. Not enough refeeds
5. Training more than an hour a day (not including cardio)

Longest I've ever done a keto diet was 16wks, that one was hell. 8wks or so is far more manageable.

[ePeeZy]

It's not easy at first but if your fats are high enough you should be able to coast fairly comfortably. I did several preps on keto diets, leanest and hardest I've ever gotten was doing keto. But unlike other plans there's a lot less room for error, IMO.

Biggest mistakes people make when doing a keto diet:

1. Too much time between meals
2. Too many carbs
3. Not enough fats
4. Not enough refeeds
5. Training more than an hour a day (not including cardio)

Longest I've ever done a keto diet was 16wks, that one was hell. 8wks or so is far more manageable.

Good pionts and I agree 100%. Keto has gotten me leaner than anything else, and once you learn how your body responds, and when to refeed, results are fantastic. I have to go a bit longer between refeeds because I naturally hold more BF, but I know guys who refeed every weekend. Lucky bastards.

I would like to point out however, if you do refeed more often than every 2 weeks, then you are most likely not in true/optimal ketosis (I do realize every one is different). It takes the average person 2 weeks to enter optimal ketosis (1.5 mmol/L and up). This is why I usually go 4 weeks between refeeds. Highly goal dependent, but all your points are very true. Like I mentioned earlier, you'll need to drop the extra money on a blood ketone reader to really dial it in for your own body....seems like the key to success always comes back to bloodwork lol

[musclestack]

Agreed on all the points made on ketosis. I ran a CKD a few years ago with impressive results.

Back to the original question posted by the OP: No, you do not need AAS as of right now. Many people use AAS on a cut to help preserve muscle tissue. With your stats, this is a non-issue. Diet and cardio will get you there. If I were you, I would post up your diet in detail in the nutrition forum for member critique. Good luck!

[BG]

It's not easy at first but if your fats are high enough you should be able to coast fairly comfortably. I did several preps on keto diets, leanest and hardest I've ever gotten was doing keto. But unlike other plans there's a lot less room for error, IMO.

Biggest mistakes people make when doing a keto diet:

1. Too much time between meals
2. Too many carbs
3. Not enough fats
4. Not enough refeeds
5. Training more than an hour a day (not including cardio)

Longest I've ever done a keto diet was 16wks, that one was hell. 8wks or so is far more manageable.

Damn 16 weeks! I wouldn't dare. Mine was during prep also, took the life put of me. Good tips you posted.