1st Cycle Questions

[asneineh]

Hey All,

I'm new here and also new to steroids as well, also my English is not my mother language so excuse my English.

I'm 27 years old
170 Lbs 18% BF
5,9 Ft
I've been hitting the gym for more than a year now, and I just started my first cycle a week ago, unfortunately I didn't know about this forum before so I didn't get an advise from the beginning.

cycle as follow:

1-2 Weeks 300 mg Primo, 200 mg Test Propionate,
3-6 Weeks 400 mg Primo, 200 mg Test Propionate, 300 mg Tren Acetate, 300 mg Winstrol

I'm also running 4 IUs HGH daily for the period of the cycle.

I'm eating very healthy without sugar and last carb meal would be at 6 PM.


What do you think about the cycle?
What should I expect as in results?
Should I Stop or i can carry on?

Thank you all in advance

[kallmenelly]

Are you pining eod with the prop? Why are you not running and ai while on cycle.

Do you have a proper pct plan. I think you should really consider that soon since you are in the early stages of your cycle.

Personally I think test is going to be pointless until you have built a foundation and maxed out you natural genitics. But that's my opinion, what ever motivates you to get them gains.

[asneineh]

I'm pinning prop on Saturdays and Wednesdays, well as I told you I lake experience and knowledge in this field my friend (not the dealer) told me what to inject and he didn't mention anything else except for proviron after 3 weeks and he told me pct will be after 2-3 weeks from the cycle so I don't have to worry about it now. Your opinion really matters maybe I should've waited a bit longer.
I'm open to any adjustments. Just out of your experience what should I be looking for after the cycle will I lose fat and gain body mass I'm just curious I know that a lot of factors play roles in the results but in general I mean what should I expect. Thanks bro

[ePeeZy]

You need to pin the prop every other day at least brother. Personally I would do 50 mg/day. this would give you 350mg/week, you should see decent results with that. Your setting yourself up for a roller coaster only pinning 2x/week

You need to go ahead and have your AI & PCT in place, you'll need to start PCT 3-4 days after your last pin since your running a short ester. Most recommend Nolva 40/40/20/20 and Clomid 100/100/50/50

[musclestack]

1. At 5'9", 170lbs., and 18% body fat, you have a lot of room to grow naturally before using AAS.

2. This is WAY too many compounds. First cycle should be Testosterone only.

3. You do not have cycle ancillaries or PCT, nor do you have a protocol for either.

My advice is to stop the cycle. Since you've only been on for a week, you shouldn't need a PCT. Train and diet hard for a couple years until you're closer to your genetic potential and have educated yourself on proper AAS use.

[asneineh]

You need to pin the prop every other day at least brother. Personally I would do 50 mg/day. this would give you 350mg/week, you should see decent results with that. Your setting yourself up for a roller coaster only pinning 2x/week

You need to go ahead and have your AI & PCT in place, you'll need to start PCT 3-4 days after your last pin since your running a short ester. Most recommend Nolva 40/40/20/20 and Clomid 100/100/50/50

thanks for the information bro. Coming from a different part of the world I don't really get what do you mean by AI, I do take 20 mg tablet of nolvodex daily during the cycle, do you consider this as an AI? if not what do you suggest for AI?

so i should raise my Prop intak to 300 mg weekly for the rest of the 6 weeks?

[asneineh]

thanks for the information bro. Coming from a different part of the world I don't really get what do you mean by AI, I do take 20 mg tablet of nolvodex daily during the cycle, do you consider this as an AI? if not what do you suggest for AI?

so i should raise my Prop intak to 300 mg weekly for the rest of the 6 weeks?

I really appreciate your opinion, but i already invested a lot of $$ in the gear not planning to throw it away, unless there is a major health concern please let me know.

[ePeeZy]

thanks for the information bro. Coming from a different part of the world I don't really get what do you mean by AI, I do take 20 mg tablet of nolvodex daily during the cycle, do you consider this as an AI? if not what do you suggest for AI?

so i should raise my Prop intak to 300 mg weekly for the rest of the 6 weeks?

You should Pin 100 mg every other day or 50 mg/day (I would do 50 mg/day) for the remainder of your cycle.

AI means Aromatose Inhibitor (not sure I spelled that correctly). Nolvadex is not an AI, I would recommend Arimidex. Other options are Letrozole and Aromasin. Nolvadex only binds to the estrogen receptors. AI's keep the test from converting to estrogen in the first place, raising the level of available Test. Big difference in the 2.

[asneineh]

You should Pin 100 mg every other day or 50 mg/day (I would do 50 mg/day) for the remainder of your cycle.

AI means Aromatose Inhibitor (not sure I spelled that correctly). Nolvadex is not an AI, I would recommend Arimidex. Other options are Letrozole and Aromasin. Nolvadex only binds to the estrogen receptors. AI's keep the test from converting to estrogen in the first place, raising the level of available Test. Big difference in the 2.

sorry for all the newbie questions, should I stop the nolvodex or I can take them both together doesn't matter, and what is the recommended dosage of Arimidex? is it a medicine that i can get over the counter?

[ePeeZy]

sorry for all the newbie questions, should I stop the nolvodex or I can take them both together doesn't matter, and what is the recommended dosage of Arimidex? is it a medicine that i can get over the counter?

No reason to take them together. Adex should be taken at .25mg EOD. You can't buy it over the counter if your in the States. I don't know the laws outside of the US

[musclestack]

I really appreciate your opinion, but i already invested a lot of $$ in the gear not planning to throw it away, unless there is a major health concern please let me know.

Well, I'm not going to tell you what to do, but you already have my opinion. With you stats and AAS knowlege, you're nowhere near ready to start cycling. There is a good chance that you may regret this decision later on. You are right, you are asking newbie questions. There's nothing wrong with that, but these types of questions should be asked by someone loooong before they run a cycle (before you actually go out and buy gear). Having spent a lot of money on something is not a satisfactory reason to go through with it. Gear lasts a long time if you store it correctly.

Anyway, I'll leave my advice at that. Good luck in whatever you decide to do.

[ePeeZy]

Even though I am answering the questions you are asking, I agree with Musclestack. The fact that you are asking these questions means that you aren't ready, however, I am aware that you will probably do it anyway, which is the only reason I'm offering advice. Hopefully help you not screw yourself up for years to come.

Nothing wrong with asking questions, but these questions shouldn't be asked by someone who is about to run a cycle, much less, someone who is already on one. I'll help however I can brother, but I don't condone your usage.

[asneineh]

Well, I'm not going to tell you what to do, but you already have my opinion. With you stats and AAS knowlege, you're nowhere near ready to start cycling. There is a good chance that you may regret this decision later on. You are right, you are asking newbie questions. There's nothing wrong with that, but these types of questions should be asked by someone loooong before they run a cycle (before you actually go out and buy gear). Having spent a lot of money on something is not a satisfactory reason to go through with it. Gear lasts a long time if you store it correctly.

Anyway, I'll leave my advice at that. Good luck in whatever you decide to do.

Thanks a lot for the advice, i really appreciate the concern.
I certainly rushed into running a cycle to early I admit that, but I guess a person should start somewhere, I decided to learn the hard way and didn't educate myself from the beginning.

Thanks again bro, I hope that it will not end up bad.

[musclestack]

Thanks a lot for the advice, i really appreciate the concern.
I certainly rushed into running a cycle to early I admit that Not too late to quit, as I mentioned in a post above., but I guess a person should start somewhere, Where you're at currently is not a good place to start I decided to learn the hard way and didn't educate myself from the beginning So, you're acknowledging that you're still uneducated on the subject, but deliberately decided to go ahead with it anyway?.

Thanks again bro, I hope that it will not end up bad. Me too.

I still recommend you stop now. Either way, whatever you decide to do, I sincerely wish you the best. There's a HRT forum on this site as well...for future reference when you need it.

[asneineh]

Even though I am answering the questions you are asking, I agree with Musclestack. The fact that you are asking these questions means that you aren't ready, however, I am aware that you will probably do it anyway, which is the only reason I'm offering advice. Hopefully help you not screw yourself up for years to come.

Nothing wrong with asking questions, but these questions shouldn't be asked by someone who is about to run a cycle, much less, someone who is already on one. I'll help however I can brother, but I don't condone your usage.

I also agree with Musclestack, I started very early I should have waited longer to start. and i would like to thank your for your understanding and for the help you're providing me with. I got the Arimidex but they have it in 1 mg and you said to take .25 mg EOD and its a very small pill I can't cut it!! I also got Proviron 25 mg I think I should start proviron before cycle end in three weeks. your help is really appreciated brother.

[ePeeZy]

I also agree with Musclestack, I started very early I should have waited longer to start. and i would like to thank your for your understanding and for the help you're providing me with. I got the Arimidex but they have it in 1 mg and you said to take .25 mg EOD and its a very small pill I can't cut it!! I also got Proviron 25 mg I think I should start proviron before cycle end in three weeks. your help is really appreciated brother.

you can cut it, Arimidex usually comes in 1 mg tabs, just use a razor blade. Just cut in half and then in half again.

[BG]

I recomend just run the prop with an ai this time around, do some research and learn so you can use the others properly in your next cycle.

[asneineh]

you can cut it, Arimidex usually comes in 1 mg tabs, just use a razor blade. Just cut in half and then in half again.

Sorry for the late reply. Thank you brother for all the support, I managed to cut the Arimidex, as for Proviron should I start in the last 3 weeks and whats the recommended dosage for that? also for PCT i should run both Nolva 40/40/20/20 and Clomid 100/100/50/50 or one of them?

[asneineh]

I recomend just run the prop with an ai this time around, do some research and learn so you can use the others properly in your next cycle.

Thank you for your concern bro but I don't think I'm going to run another cycle.

[BG]

Thank you for your concern bro but I don't think I'm going to run another cycle.

Sure.

[Doyouevenbruh]

You should run just the test first time around. Save the other hormones for another cycle. You will want more after you are finished. Are you competing or plan to compete? HGH tren and primo for your first ride, you must be competing?