I Demand to Know Your Stats!!!

[Metalject]

"We need to ask your stats before we can answer your questions."

Why is this always the first response given to nearly every question?
Why is this question almost always the response to a question rather than providing a helpful answer?
Why? Because internet assholes enjoy being arrogant internet assholes.

It's like this, guy comes online and ask what the difference between trenbolone and nandrolone is and some idiot ask his stats despite an individual's stats having no effect or impact on what the answer to the question is. The differences between trenbolone and nandrolone will always be the same regardless of what someone's stats are.

What's worse is if someone's "Stats" don't meet the bro criteria, a criteria based on lord knows what, then his question will not be answered as he is deemed not to be ready for the answer.

Steroid message board guys are as bad as government bureaucrats, faceless entities that decide who will get what, what is acceptable and what may or may not be asked. Oh, but steroid message board guys are only looking out for you, they know best and you're too stupid to handle anything yourself...again, as pathetic as a government bureaucrat.

[krugerr]

"We need to ask your stats before we can answer your questions." Why is this always the first response given to nearly every question? Why is this question almost always the response to a question rather than providing a helpful answer? Why? Because internet assholes enjoy being arrogant internet assholes. It's like this, guy comes online and ask what the difference between trenbolone and nandrolone is and some idiot ask his stats despite an individual's stats having no effect or impact on what the answer to the question is. The differences between trenbolone and nandrolone will always be the same regardless of what someone's stats are. What's worse is if someone's "Stats" don't meet the bro criteria, a criteria based on lord knows what, then his question will not be answered as he is deemed not to be ready for the answer. Steroid message board guys are as bad as government bureaucrats, faceless entities that decide who will get what, what is acceptable and what may or may not be asked. Oh, but steroid message board guys are only looking out for you, they know best and you're too stupid to handle anything yourself...again, as pathetic as a government bureaucrat.

You ok MJ? Need a cuddle and a beer?

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[The Deadlifting Dog]

Before I answer you Metalject I need to know....

What are your stats?

[numbere]

Your rants would have more validity if they weren't so insulting.

[Mr.BB]

My advice would be to up your AI.

[Metalject]

You ok MJ? Need a cuddle and a beer?

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I could go for a cuddle and a beer. The person providing the cuddling, can I ask their stats? I'm afraid in this case stats do affect the answer, lol!

[Metalject]

Before I answer you Metalject I need to know....

What are your stats?

They're whatever you want them to be, lol

[Metalject]

Your rants would have more validity if they weren't so insulting.

Insulting is not the intention, nothing more than conversation.

[AR's King Silabolin]

"We need to ask your stats before we can answer your questions."

Why is this always the first response given to nearly every question?
Why is this question almost always the response to a question rather than providing a helpful answer?
Why? Because internet assholes enjoy being arrogant internet assholes.

It's like this, guy comes online and ask what the difference between trenbolone and nandrolone is and some idiot ask his stats despite an individual's stats having no effect or impact on what the answer to the question is. The differences between trenbolone and nandrolone will always be the same regardless of what someone's stats are.

What's worse is if someone's "Stats" don't meet the bro criteria, a criteria based on lord knows what, then his question will not be answered as he is deemed not to be ready for the answer.

Steroid message board guys are as bad as government bureaucrats, faceless entities that decide who will get what, what is acceptable and what may or may not be asked. Oh, but steroid message board guys are only looking out for you, they know best and you're too stupid to handle anything yourself...again, as pathetic as a government bureaucrat.

10% truth but asking for stats got nothing to do with assholness. Many want feedback on their first one and giving a good answer is impossible if stats are unknown. I would say the experienced member is responsible then.
But a steroidforum should not act as parents all the time and a 20 year old should be told the difference beetween 19nors and dht without revealing his dicksize. Or be told tren is for grownups.

[bass]

LOL this thread made me laugh! truth is all newbies will never post their stats, so get used to it.

[jstone]

10% truth but asking for stats got nothing to do with assholness. Many want feedback on their first one and giving a good answer is impossible if stats are unknown. I would say the experienced member is responsible then.
But a steroidforum should not act as parents all the time and a 20 year old should be told the difference beetween 19nors and dht without revealing his dicksize. Or be told tren is for grownups.

Stats dont need to be known to give good advice. If someone asks about a first cycle the answers should be the same regardless of stats. Theres no magical stats that should affect the answer to a question as easy as what a first cycle should concist of.

Most will lie about there stats, because they know the gatekeepers will not give them the information they're looking for unless their stats meet a a certain criteria.

Im glad I opened thia thread, I wasn't sure what to think of it, but it made my day. Metalject is spot on with this one.

[GirlyGymRat]

LOL this thread made me laugh! truth is all newbies will never post their stats, so get used to it.

Bc they know they don't eat or train enough?!?!

[Metalject]

Stats dont need to be known to give good advice. If someone asks about a first cycle the answers should be the same regardless of stats. Theres no magical stats that should affect the answer to a question as easy as what a first cycle should concist of.

Most will lie about there stats, because they know the gatekeepers will not give them the information they're looking for unless their stats meet a a certain criteria.

Im glad I opened thia thread, I wasn't sure what to think of it, but it made my day. Metalject is spot on with this one.

DING DING DING!!!!! We have a winner!!!

Consider these questions:

What does testosterone do?
What's the difference between nandrolone and trenbolone?
I was thinking of taking dbol or anadrol, which one do you guys like best?
Getting ready to start a cycle, do you think anastrozole or letrozole is a better choice of AI and why?
I'm 8wks into my 12wk contest cycle, thinking about switching to prop and increasing my tren, any thoughts?
This is my 3rd cycle, first two test only. Thinking of adding NPP to this cycle, what kind of difference could this make?
I've got 10 kits of HGH but I'm not sure if I should go with 5iu/ed or 10iu. Looking to get leaner and if possible grow a little into my prep, thoughts?

At no point in time would asking "what are your stats" help progress the conversation. It will, in most cases, irritate the one who asked, and as this board has become notorious for, drive away potential valuable members who could share and learn from all of us and see the board go in the right direction. What is that right direction you say? One where membership doesn't fall, it grows and one where activity expands and the board becomes relevant once again rather than being stuck in its current slowly withering and stagnant state.

I have posted on this board since it first came about. I've come and gone over the years under a few various user names. I've seen the board grow massively, which is good for numerous reasons, most importantly, keeping it alive and well, relevant and helpful and an enjoyable place to listen, share and learn. Over the past few years it's done none of these things. Over the past few years it's a place where guys join, ask a question or two but most never come back, why? Because they were either run off or offered no real help. Don't get me wrong, there is a solid group of guys on this board, 50 or so that have their heads in the right place, but if the current trend continues, in the end it'll just become some long lost internet club of 50 or so guys and a few thousand visitors gazing silently. I for one would not prefer that to happen.

[FONZY007]

Bc they know they don't eat or train enough?!?!

Me for 1 doesn't matter if it's there 1st or 10th. I do care about there age, I was a 20 year old that was almost 230 lbs. And wanted more by the time I was 26 boom hit me and now on trt. I will give them the advice but try and steer them clear. There isn't many 18-20 years Olds that think about the future I sure didn't.

Where I work at im in a union, most of the 50 plus age guys there all used massive amounts of drugs. So it was young vs old. Money or the better health benefits...
Guess which group one, wish I had those great benefits still.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Stats dont need to be known to give good advice. If someone asks about a first cycle the answers should be the same regardless of stats. .

Numbere commented my wellthaugth arguments, as I saw them, once, by saying it were the stupidests ever on any forum.
Almost feel the same by reading yours. Stats are the most important when giving roocki advices. Remember most of those guys dont even know where the lat pulldown should hit.

[charger69]

Metal- value and respect your opinion. I respectfully disagree. People may ask generic questions however there is an underlying reason that i have seen the vets discover time and time again and possibly save someone from themself.
Most of what you guys think is common knowledge is unknown to many. Alot of times the newbs do not like the advice given because there is only one right answer... What they want to hear.
The people offerring advice really care and try to do it as safely as possible and that is very important and one should never lose sight of this. Asking for stats also allows a more personalized response that have things that may have been overlooked.

[krugerr]

Metal- value and respect your opinion. I respectfully disagree. People may ask generic questions however there is an underlying reason that i have seen the vets discover time and time again and possibly save someone from themself. Most of what you guys think is common knowledge is unknown to many. Alot of times the newbs do not like the advice given because there is only one right answer... What they want to hear. The people offerring advice really care and try to do it as safely as possible and that is very important and one should never lose sight of this. Asking for stats also allows a more personalized response that have things that may have been overlooked.

Stats... Or your comment is invalid.

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[shaunjohn242002]

Sticky material

[vgd0913]

"We need to ask your stats before we can answer your questions."

Why is this always the first response given to nearly every question?
Why is this question almost always the response to a question rather than providing a helpful answer?
Why? Because internet assholes enjoy being arrogant internet assholes.

It's like this, guy comes online and ask what the difference between trenbolone and nandrolone is and some idiot ask his stats despite an individual's stats having no effect or impact on what the answer to the question is. The differences between trenbolone and nandrolone will always be the same regardless of what someone's stats are.

What's worse is if someone's "Stats" don't meet the bro criteria, a criteria based on lord knows what, then his question will not be answered as he is deemed not to be ready for the answer.

Steroid message board guys are as bad as government bureaucrats, faceless entities that decide who will get what, what is acceptable and what may or may not be asked. Oh, but steroid message board guys are only looking out for you, they know best and you're too stupid to handle anything yourself...again, as pathetic as a government bureaucrat.

Most of these guys here enjoy sitting on a high horse

[Metalject]

Metal- value and respect your opinion. I respectfully disagree. People may ask generic questions however there is an underlying reason that i have seen the vets discover time and time again and possibly save someone from themself.
Most of what you guys think is common knowledge is unknown to many. Alot of times the newbs do not like the advice given because there is only one right answer... What they want to hear.
The people offerring advice really care and try to do it as safely as possible and that is very important and one should never lose sight of this. Asking for stats also allows a more personalized response that have things that may have been overlooked.

Above in red is what I take issue with. It's the arrogance and often what I call humble arrogance, which I understand is a contradiction yet some still find a way to make such a thing exist.

Telling a 23yr old male he can't use gear or you won't help give advice
Telling a 40yr old male you won't help him because he's ignoring your input and choosing to use 2 compounds his first time
Getting up in arms because a guy doesn't take every precaution you take
Flipping out when a grown adult male individual wants to use cycle and he's 17% body fat, oh my goodness, think of the children :/
Repeatedly arguing things that have nothing to do with the question all because you're "looking out for him"
Attempting to interfere with someone's personal decisions, you're not actually interfering, you're just being obnoxious.
Thinking for one second you're helping out by trying to dissuade a grown adult man from doing what grown adult men do because in you're mind, for some reason, you see yourself as something I assure you, you are not. (For the record, not you charger69, I'm speaking in generalities).

This^^^is what bothers me and what I have a problem with. Why stop with steroids? You guys who do the above, when you're in a public restaurant why don't you smack the hamburger out of the overweight man's hand sitting next to you? Why don't you yell at the fat woman walking across the parking lot with her Dr. Pepper? Why don't you protest in the parking lot of Kroger, protest against what 80% of the store is? Why don't you confront, beg and plead with every individual that does something that's not in the absolute best interest to their health? I'll tell you why you don't, because it's none of your business, but for some reason, you own steroids.

[Proximal]

Metalject, can you tell me, are the guys that are doing the answering of posts, in any way compensated - curious? I am assuming the forum is a business, one intended to make money. Since I've been a member here for 9 months now, I tend to see the same individuals doing the bulk of the initial responses. There is a point to this question, to the administrators of the forum, I am not trying to pry into anyone's personal business, thank you for understanding.

Sorry for the edit, forgot to add this. As of this morning I saw at least 2 threads in which the OPs were seeking what seemed to be beginner advice; I am curious as to why you yourself did not advise these individuals? Thank you.

[Bonaparte]

Metalject, can you tell me, are the guys that are doing the answering of posts, in any way compensated - curious? I am assuming the forum is a business, one intended to make money. Since I've been a member here for 9 months now, I tend to see the same individuals doing the bulk of the initial responses. There is a point to this question, to the administrators of the forum, I am not trying to pry into anyone's personal business, thank you for understanding.

Sorry for the edit, forgot to add this. As of this morning I saw at least 2 threads in which the OPs were seeking what seemed to be beginner advice; I am curious as to why you yourself did not advise these individuals? Thank you.

None of the staff members here are paid. The behavior that Metalject is ranting about is misguided altruism with maybe a side of bullying.

[Proximal]

None of the staff members here are paid. The behavior that Metalject is ranting about is misguided altruism with maybe a side of bullying.

Thank you for the info Bonaparte and sincerely respect & appreciated how you stated that! I understand where Metalject is coming from, just wanted a non-confrontational discussion. Thank you again.

[Metalject]

Metalject, can you tell me, are the guys that are doing the answering of posts, in any way compensated - curious? I am assuming the forum is a business, one intended to make money. Since I've been a member here for 9 months now, I tend to see the same individuals doing the bulk of the initial responses. There is a point to this question, to the administrators of the forum, I am not trying to pry into anyone's personal business, thank you for understanding.

Sorry for the edit, forgot to add this. As of this morning I saw at least 2 threads in which the OPs were seeking what seemed to be beginner advice; I am curious as to why you yourself did not advise these individuals? Thank you.

Forums make money via advertising, that's the primary way, not just steroid forums, any topic of forum. Most of the people that post here or any board, labeled staff or not, most do just because they enjoy discussing whatever the topic of that forum is. There are forums out there where the owner(s) will post under 20 or 30 or more usernames and their post always end by promoting various research chem labs or SARM's or something like that, but those are usually pretty easy to spot.

As for the second part of your question, have you ever seen a politician give a speech and then one or two people jump on stage yelling their views making it impossible for the intended speaker to speak? Seems that happens more and more these days and it gets old. My point, having sometimes a differing view or opinion well it's kind of like that. You simply get drowned out with no room for discussion.

[Metalject]

None of the staff members here are paid. The behavior that Metalject is ranting about is misguided altruism with maybe a side of bullying.

Bullying, are you saying I'm bullying?
I don't feel I'm someone that doesn't care about other's wellbeing, health or anything like that. I have no desire to see anyone cause any real harm or experience life altering effects.

[FONZY007]

Bullying, are you saying I'm bullying?
I don't feel I'm someone that doesn't care about other's wellbeing, health or anything like that. I have no desire to see anyone cause any real harm or experience life altering effects.

No I think he is stating what bothers u!! Not that ur bullying lol

[Proximal]

Forums make money via advertising, that's the primary way, not just steroid forums, any topic of forum. Most of the people that post here or any board, labeled staff or not, most do just because they enjoy discussing whatever the topic of that forum is. There are forums out there where the owner(s) will post under 20 or 30 or more usernames and their post always end by promoting various research chem labs or SARM's or something like that, but those are usually pretty easy to spot.

As for the second part of your question, have you ever seen a politician give a speech and then one or two people jump on stage yelling their views making it impossible for the intended speaker to speak? Seems that happens more and more these days and it gets old. My point, having sometimes a differing view or opinion well it's kind of like that. You simply get drowned out with no room for discussion.

Thank you for responding! I completely understand what you are saying, but I tend to side with those that are taking their time to do something, even if it very loosely resembles teaching; and granted, sometimes borders on abusiveness. I like what Bonaparte said about "misguided altruism" (I do NOT think he was referring to you, btw). But altruism to me is altruism; it's selfless and I think that alone needs to be given more latitude than normal. It's for the asking members to decide if they want to continue with that thread if they find that the answer was not what was expected or hoped for.

Is this an o.k. start? Thanks for taking your time!

[Bonaparte]

No I think he is stating what bothers u!! Not that ur bullying lol

Correct.

[kelkel]

Most of these guys here enjoy sitting on a high horse

Some probably do. Others actually like helping others.

Dr. Pepper?

Blasphemy! I like Dr. Pepper.

[charger69]

Above in red is what I take issue with. It's the arrogance and often what I call humble arrogance, which I understand is a contradiction yet some still find a way to make such a thing exist. Telling a 23yr old male he can't use gear or you won't help give advice Telling a 40yr old male you won't help him because he's ignoring your input and choosing to use 2 compounds his first time Getting up in arms because a guy doesn't take every precaution you take Flipping out when a grown adult male individual wants to use cycle and he's 17% body fat, oh my goodness, think of the children :/ Repeatedly arguing things that have nothing to do with the question all because you're "looking out for him" Attempting to interfere with someone's personal decisions, you're not actually interfering, you're just being obnoxious. Thinking for one second you're helping out by trying to dissuade a grown adult man from doing what grown adult men do because in you're mind, for some reason, you see yourself as something I assure you, you are not. (For the record, not you charger69, I'm speaking in generalities). This^^^is what bothers me and what I have a problem with. Why stop with steroids? You guys who do the above, when you're in a public restaurant why don't you smack the hamburger out of the overweight man's hand sitting next to you? Why don't you yell at the fat woman walking across the parking lot with her Dr. Pepper? Why don't you protest in the parking lot of Kroger, protest against what 80% of the store is? Why don't you confront, beg and plead with every individual that does something that's not in the absolute best interest to their health? I'll tell you why you don't, because it's none of your business, but for some reason, you own steroids.

I like your passion of your opinion". I am really from the other side. I was misguided prior to joining this forum. Although it took me 47 years to do my first cycle, it was pretty messed up. Second was even worse. Alot of times it is just ignorance. Go to some other forums and see the advice. OMG.
I am by no means an expert however i now have a pretty good idea of what to expect and how i willreact unless I am trying something new. You will not find the information that the experts give out in a condensed form. Checking on the internet you will be more confused after because there is so much contradictory information. There have been a few times that i wanted to do something and i was talked out of it and i was glad afterwards.
The experts give advice and with that advice comes a responsibility. Maybe some go a little far, but i can accept that as their peragative. The have just as much passion about their beliefs .

[TheTaxMan]

Whenever i answer questions in the Q&A

I wouldnt ask their stats if they are asking what something does or what the difference between compounds are

I would only ask their stats if they are intending to use something or have laid out a proposed cycle as i do feel its necessary to know whats stats, training and aas history in order to give the best advice.

[Metalject]

Blasphemy! I like Dr. Pepper.

Oh, I'm addicted to it, have been for years. Probably my favorite thing on earth....although I stick with the diet version.

[Metalject]

I like your passion of your opinion". I am really from the other side. I was misguided prior to joining this forum. Although it took me 47 years to do my first cycle, it was pretty messed up. Second was even worse. Alot of times it is just ignorance. Go to some other forums and see the advice. OMG.
I am by no means an expert however i now have a pretty good idea of what to expect and how i willreact unless I am trying something new. You will not find the information that the experts give out in a condensed form. Checking on the internet you will be more confused after because there is so much contradictory information. There have been a few times that i wanted to do something and i was talked out of it and i was glad afterwards.
The experts give advice and with that advice comes a responsibility. Maybe some go a little far, but i can accept that as their peragative. The have just as much passion about their beliefs .

I agree that you'll see different things on different boards, but for the most part, the basic things about steroid use seem to hold true regardless of which board you go to. Some boards are simply more "religious" about certain aspects.

When you say that advice comes a responsibility, I'm not sure I agree. I understand if one gives advice they want to give good advice and often that means going overboard with protective measures, but all that does is create unnecessary actions.

Consider these things:

1. Guy doesn't mention HCG as part of his cycle
Result: "Experts" give him hell and tell him he'll be sorry
.
Reality: Most people don't use HCG on cycle and haven't for the last 80yrs. Where are the millions upon millions of these sorry men?

My Reality: I hate HCG - I used to use it during a little odd bridge thing I used to do years back and I have used it on my TRT but find it impossible to control E2 when using it. My life is miserable with HCG - if I use HCG I'll be sorry. But how can that be? The king ding dongs of the intergalactic steroid authority have said otherwise?

2. Guy list 12wk cycle plan
Result: "Experts" deem he has no business using steroids because he didn't mention PCT.

Reality: He didn't ask for PCT help. Secondly, not everyone needs to run PCT, sorry, they just don't. Obviously a man on TRT doesn't need to run PCT, what would be the point? If you live a little more of an extreme lifestyle, serious competitor or something like that, which means you're on more than you're off, running a PCT plan would be counterproductive and a complete waste of time. I'd even say unhealthy.

My Reality: I stopped running any type of PCT plan (I can't remember the exact time) but probably around my mid-20's. Gear use started around 19ish.

Have any planets exploded because of this? Have any body parts fallen off? Have I developed any serious health problems? Has anything bad or negative in any way occurred? The answer to all these questions is No. Fine, I am on TRT and will always be if I want to have higher testosterone levels, but I just don't see TRT as a big deal at all, it's hardly more complicated or time consuming than taking a daily vitamin. Actually, vitamins are worse since you actually take them every day. Some would argue I would not be on TRT if I had run proper PCT plans during the period of heavy gear use, I disagree. A decade of gear use that included far more time on than off, periods of on time that were 6-8 months long of high dose use, bridges, etc. I don't care what kind of PCT plan there was, I'd still be on TRT. Could I have taken less gear with longer breaks? Of course, but that would have been counterproductive in terms of what I was trying to do.

3. Guy says he's going to use Tren, it's his 2nd, maybe 3rd or maybe even 4th cycle, doesn't really matter, the response will always be the same.
Results: "Experts" tell him he's not ready, he hasn't cycled enough to introduce Tren. They'll say things about Tren being a far more serious steroid and things about how side effects, negative side effects will absolutely occur.

Reality: Tren can be a harsher steroid for some, but it will not be for most. There is nothing dark and magical about Tren, most who use it don't have any major issues, if they did, most wouldn't be using it. What I've always wanted to ask the experts, when is the guy ready, cycle 6, cycle 9? Or maybe it's not the number of cycles that matters, maybe it has to do with his base of knowledge and muscle...but if that's the case, why do you tell guys that have run 2 or 3 cycles they haven't run enough cycles? See the conundrum? The truth is a grown man will run tren or any steroid when he feels he wants to. Is it an awesome idea for a first time user to use Tren, no of course not, but there isn't some acceptable perfect line.

My Reality: I've used more Tren than perhaps any steroid...testosterone would be close but I think I may have used more Tren than anything else. I have had no issues with it, not the first harsh or bothersome side effect. I have the annoying cough sometimes with Tren, but I've had that from injections with non-Tren items. Any form of AAS, if it gets directly into the blood you're going to cough.

I can continue with examples like the above if it helps, but hopefully those few are enough to help my points be better understood.

[FONZY007]

I agree that you'll see different things on different boards, but for the most part, the basic things about steroid use seem to hold true regardless of which board you go to. Some boards are simply more "religious" about certain aspects.

When you say that advice comes a responsibility, I'm not sure I agree. I understand if one gives advice they want to give good advice and often that means going overboard with protective measures, but all that does is create unnecessary actions.

Consider these things:

1. Guy doesn't mention HCG as part of his cycle
Result: "Experts" give him hell and tell him he'll be sorry
.
Reality: Most people don't use HCG on cycle and haven't for the last 80yrs. Where are the millions upon millions of these sorry men?

My Reality: I hate HCG - I used to use it during a little odd bridge thing I used to do years back and I have used it on my TRT but find it impossible to control E2 when using it. My life is miserable with HCG - if I use HCG I'll be sorry. But how can that be? The king ding dongs of the intergalactic steroid authority have said otherwise?

2. Guy list 12wk cycle plan
Result: "Experts" deem he has no business using steroids because he didn't mention PCT.

Reality: He didn't ask for PCT help. Secondly, not everyone needs to run PCT, sorry, they just don't. Obviously a man on TRT doesn't need to run PCT, what would be the point? If you live a little more of an extreme lifestyle, serious competitor or something like that, which means you're on more than you're off, running a PCT plan would be counterproductive and a complete waste of time. I'd even say unhealthy.

My Reality: I stopped running any type of PCT plan (I can't remember the exact time) but probably around my mid-20's. Gear use started around 19ish.

Have any planets exploded because of this? Have any body parts fallen off? Have I developed any serious health problems? Has anything bad or negative in any way occurred? The answer to all these questions is No. Fine, I am on TRT and will always be if I want to have higher testosterone levels, but I just don't see TRT as a big deal at all, it's hardly more complicated or time consuming than taking a daily vitamin. Actually, vitamins are worse since you actually take them every day. Some would argue I would not be on TRT if I had run proper PCT plans during the period of heavy gear use, I disagree. A decade of gear use that included far more time on than off, periods of on time that were 6-8 months long of high dose use, bridges, etc. I don't care what kind of PCT plan there was, I'd still be on TRT. Could I have taken less gear with longer breaks? Of course, but that would have been counterproductive in terms of what I was trying to do.

3. Guy says he's going to use Tren, it's his 2nd, maybe 3rd or maybe even 4th cycle, doesn't really matter, the response will always be the same.
Results: "Experts" tell him he's not ready, he hasn't cycled enough to introduce Tren. They'll say things about Tren being a far more serious steroid and things about how side effects, negative side effects will absolutely occur.

Reality: Tren can be a harsher steroid for some, but it will not be for most. There is nothing dark and magical about Tren, most who use it don't have any major issues, if they did, most wouldn't be using it. What I've always wanted to ask the experts, when is the guy ready, cycle 6, cycle 9? Or maybe it's not the number of cycles that matters, maybe it has to do with his base of knowledge and muscle...but if that's the case, why do you tell guys that have run 2 or 3 cycles they haven't run enough cycles? See the conundrum? The truth is a grown man will run tren or any steroid when he feels he wants to. Is it an awesome idea for a first time user to use Tren, no of course not, but there isn't some acceptable perfect line.

My Reality: I've used more Tren than perhaps any steroid...testosterone would be close but I think I may have used more Tren than anything else. I have had no issues with it, not the first harsh or bothersome side effect. I have the annoying cough sometimes with Tren, but I've had that from injections with non-Tren items. Any form of AAS, if it gets directly into the blood you're going to cough.

I can continue with examples like the above if it helps, but hopefully those few are enough to help my points be better understood.

Lmfao that's why I don't use hcg either. Do i fell better while in why yes. But can't control E2 even using 250ius twice a week and break out with acne like no other. Wanted to give it a go again but at 150ius 3 times a week. If not then I'm done with it lol.

[hammerheart]

Lmfao that's why I don't use hcg either. Do i fell better while in why yes. But can't control E2 even using 250ius twice a week and break out with acne like no other. Wanted to give it a go again but at 150ius 3 times a week. If not then I'm done with it lol.

How much was the increase in E2 on HCG?

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How much was the increase in E2 on HCG?

Never got tested but would break out with acne next day. The large hard acne all over chest, back. I would discontinue right away. It would take 6 plus months to clear, tried twice.

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Metalject, please forgive the hijack - thanks!

Bizarre, Fonz - any changes in semen volumes/ejaculation with not taking HCG? I ask because it was my only complaint after 8 months on TRT without HCG. Thanks guys!

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Metalject, please forgive the hijack - thanks!

Bizarre, Fonz - any changes in semen volumes/ejaculation with not taking HCG? I ask because it was my only complaint after 8 months on TRT without HCG. Thanks guys!

Mine seem to be the same. Wife is always complaining it's a lot lol.

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Metalject, please forgive the hijack - thanks!

Bizarre, Fonz - any changes in semen volumes/ejaculation with not taking HCG? I ask because it was my only complaint after 8 months on TRT without HCG. Thanks guys!

I've been two years on TRT without HCG, volume was drastically reduced and clear in color.

I started HCG a week ago and I'm noticing a small but sensible increase in firmness, I guess it will take some time for actual results.

Never got tested but would break out with acne next day. The large hard acne all over chest, back. I would discontinue right away. It would take 6 plus months to clear, tried twice.

Noted.