Pre workout supps shutdown my HPTA

[Closhmo]

Hi I am a new member to this forum. I have been lifting since I was 18 and will be turning 24 this summer. Around 19 I started using pre workouts (jack3d then craze) for like 2-3 years non stop like 5 times a week. I know this was seriously dumb and what can I say people do dumb shit as kids. I regret this all the time. Eventually I realized that this was not healthy and cut them out cold turkey, besides like 200 mg of caffeine a day. I felt like shit but figured my body was just missing the stimulants. So a year of feeling like shit goes by (no energy, sex drive etc) I decided I need to tell my doc. I got the blood work down and my LH was like non existent and test was like 140 ng/dl. Doc prescribed me clomid for 6 months or so and got me in the normal range. I was 440 ng/dl last year at this time and haven't asked to know the numbers since then. I feel good but def not as good as I did at 18 but Im not sure if this is just in my head. I definitely don't feel like death like I did before (at 140).

My questions are has anyone ever heard of stimulant use affecting hpta?

Bodybuilding/powelifting is one of my passions. At 24 can I start looking into using AAS? Given my experience before is there anything I should be worried about? I definitely want to have kids btw. Thanks!

[Ashop]

Possibly something in there that wasnt listed on the label?

[Closhmo]

Possibly something in there that wasnt listed on the label?

Yeah thats probably it. The company that made craze had amphetamines in the product that was not listed so I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of pro hormone in there as well. I remember Id be extremely horny after taking it lol.

I feel like Im at a point in my lifting career to start researching anabolics. Can someone point me to the best readings on this site for a beginner? The one thing I don't want to jeopardize is being able to have kids. Will basic cycles put this at risk? (test only) thnx.

[Kyle1337]

I used to take those crazy pre and I lost a ton of sex drive and energy while on them. I stopped them a couple years ago... But it makes me wonder if that stuff did screw me up. My test was low (330 sonething) not that long ago. Interesting... I'm curious to hear more from the knowledgeable ones on this site.

[Closhmo]

Yes I looked online and I could not find any report of this ever happening. And my endocrinologist, who is supposed to be at the top of the field if that means anything did not have an explanation when I told him. I know for a fact this is what messed me up since it was the only thing i used and when I stopped taking them I was like a completely different person.

[Bonaparte]

These things happen naturally to some people. Why would you attribute it to pre-workout supps?
With the millions of people who used those products, don't you think there would be tons of reports of this occurring? And don't you think you'd actually get results from them if they contained a significant amount of hormones?

[Closhmo]

These things happen naturally to some people. Why would you attribute it to pre-workout supps?
With the millions of people who used those products, don't you think there would be tons of reports of this occurring? And don't you think you'd actually get results from them if they contained a significant amount of hormones?

Because I had no issues before taking them. I felt great everyday that i took them and right when i stopped i felt like shit. I got bloods back and test was ridiculously low. This was the only thing I took in this time and diet and everything else was good. so idk...

[numbere]

Because I had no issues before taking them. I felt great everyday that i took them and right when i stopped i felt like shit. I got bloods back and test was ridiculously low. This was the only thing I took in this time and diet and everything else was good. so idk...

Correlation does not imply causation.

[krugerr]

Correlation does not imply causation.

This.

As well as Bone's comment. With the sheer volume of users, the Internet would be rife with reports on it.
Sorry mate, you're just unlucky enough to have had lowT. Assuming you didn't take anything else unknowingly. ("Gym pills" from a friend, for example)

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[Ashop]

Yeah thats probably it. The company that made craze had amphetamines in the product that was not listed so I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of pro hormone in there as well. I remember Id be extremely horny after taking it lol.

I feel like Im at a point in my lifting career to start researching anabolics. Can someone point me to the best readings on this site for a beginner? The one thing I don't want to jeopardize is being able to have kids. Will basic cycles put this at risk? (test only) thnx.

I remember the Amp spikes in both of these. That stuff was STRONG!! It was in CRAZE and the original DETONATE.

[Sycoholic]

Amphetamines aren't going to mess with your test levels. 5 years of taking pwo's could simply have been masking your current issue. Sure, you might have had spiked product like Craze was, but honestly I doubt they'd put any amount in there of any value. Mostly all that small scoop crap contains is niacin and caffeine so you think it's working. You might get close to a good dosage of something on the label, but not usually.