New 30yo male, test e questions

[Noodle256]

Hey everyone, I am new to this but not new to fitness. I have been doing a lot of research and I think I want to run some test e. Not asking for sources ( I do not have one yet ).

Was thinking of 250mg once weekly for 8 weeks and then just clomid for PCT.

I know this is basic and nothing special but any advice or suggestions would be nice. I read you don't need ai's for a basic test cycle but interested to know what people think. Again any advice regarding anything test e related for a first timer would be helpful. Thanks

[Nephets]

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

Give that a quick read and post any questions

[Scorpion0922]

What is your height, weight, age, bodyfat %, training history.

I'm a big fan of getting the most from the least but I'd bump your dose to 350 mg's/week

Pin 2x a week

Cycle should be 12-14 weeks

Whoever told you that you don't need an AI is a moron

Unless our diet & training is 110% on point then we shouldn't be using AAS

[Noodle256]

Interesting, see that's stuff I don't know, I'm here for information so I appreciate it. Any suggestions for AI?

[Noodle256]

Good read in apreciate it

[Noodle256]

Also 5'6 180, 16% bf, weightlifting and some Crossfit for cardio 6 days a week

[Scorpion0922]

Got your back Jack

BF is a little high for AAS....what is your training history?

Goals? Keep in mind that b4 you say "add muscle and lose fat" you lose fat with nutrition not AAS.

[songdog]

Welcome glad to see you joined us.We are here to help you on your way Bro.

[Noodle256]

Yea genuinely not concerned with losing body fat, I can clean that up with diet. I would like to add 10-12 pounds of muscle if possible. Would like to transition to a little more stgrenth stuff and less cardio based training. I have read that test would be the best first cycle

[Scorpion0922]

Yea genuinely not concerned with losing body fat, I can clean that up with diet. I would like to add 10-12 pounds of muscle if possible. Would like to transition to a little more stgrenth stuff and less cardio based training. I have read that test would be the best first cycle

OK, gotcha;

A few suggestions: diet down before starting a cycle.

There's nothing wrong with crossfit, but BB'ing and crossfit are 2 different animals. So drop the crossfit.

Run Test E or C for 12-14 weeks.

What do you know about aromatize inhibitors and PCT?

Keep in mind that adding 10 pounds of QUALITY MUSCLE from one cycle is not realistic. Slow and steady bossman.....

[Noodle256]

Ok cool thanks for the tips, like I said in the first post I don't have a source yet and still trying to see if this is a good rout. Deferring too you all who have way more knowledge and experience then me.

I am aware that I need to run clomid daily for a few weeks two weeks after the cycle is over.

As far as AI, I genuinely don't know much, I didn't look into it as I was informed it was not nessisary haha, I'll have to do some digging

[Nephets]

[QUOTE=Noodle256;7240899

As far as AI, I genuinely don't know much, I didn't look into it as I was informed it was not nessisary haha, I'll have to do some digging[/QUOTE]

Id look into it unless your end goal was transitioning into a woman. Lol

[Noodle256]

Thanks I'll need all the help I can get

[Noodle256]

Haha I'm not looking to transition just yet. I do apreciate all the help and suggestions. I. Would like to compile as much information and knowledge before ordering anything or start anything

[Nephets]

Haha I'm not looking to transition just yet. I do apreciate all the help and suggestions. I. Would like to compile as much information and knowledge before ordering anything or start anything

I'm doing the same thing myself. I know in not ready so I'm taking this time to learn as much as possible.

[Noodle256]

Anyone have an idea of dosing for the amiridex for an AI? I read that is a solid choice

[Scorpion0922]

You need to run WAY more than just clomid for PCT ......DO NOT SKIMP ON PCT

[Juced_porkchop]

Interesting, see that's stuff I don't know, I'm here for information so I appreciate it. Any suggestions for AI?

o.25mg eod of dex (Anastrozole/Arimidex) and if needed up to 0.5mg eod but i think 0.25 should be enough.
its always good to keep estrogen in check IMO.

[Juced_porkchop]

teste or c is a good first cycle. go for around 14wks IMO
for pct i would rec 4-5 weeks of 50mg clomid ed and 20mg tamox(nolvadex) ed, starting about 2 weeks after last shot.
you could use HCG during cycle or last 5 weeks or so of cycle leading up to BUT NOT into PCT to help as well. but dont use HCG during pct it has its own sort of shutdown to put it simply. but it helps recovery if used before pct. its not NEEDED but could help, if using deca and other things with test i would push on the hcg more. i think you will be fine with normal pct.

[Noodle256]

Any suggestions? That's why I'm here haha, trying to get info

[Noodle256]

Hey juiced thanks for the tips! I'm just trying to do it right. Is a 10ml bottle of test enough to last the 14 weeks? I know these are basic questions haha. Any personal expirence not running hcg? Lots of conflicting info on if it's nessisary or not hah

[Nephets]

I would say most here would say to use the hcg right from day one. As for the test, if the bottle says 250mg per ml and you have a 10ml bottle that means you have 2500mg total. if you are using 500mg per week that leaves you 2500/500 or 5 weeks worth. If you are running 400 per week that leaves you 2500/400 or a little over 6 weeks worth.

[clarky.]

Welcome to the forum.

[Noodle256]

Ok sounds good so more than one vile haha, another question, when people first start to the go straight to 500mg of test e or do you taper up and down, insee a lot of people advocate for a pyramid type cycle

[BRUTAL]

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

Give that a quick read and post any questions

that requires deep read and good understanding, due to quick read we have here all the questions repeating itself with the answers from that thread

Got your back Jack

BF is a little high for AAS....what is your training history?

Goals? Keep in mind that b4 you say "add muscle and lose fat" you lose fat with nutrition not AAS.

BF is right if he's atletic as he says he is and diet is solid, maybe he is trying to gain some weight and thats reasonable I think. However, better tightier diet produces better results, so it will show at the end.

teste or c is a good first cycle. go for around 14wks IMO
for pct i would rec 4-5 weeks of 50mg clomid ed and 20mg tamox(nolvadex) ed, starting about 2 weeks after last shot.
you could use HCG during cycle or last 5 weeks or so of cycle leading up to BUT NOT into PCT to help as well. but dont use HCG during pct it has its own sort of shutdown to put it simply. but it helps recovery if used before pct. its not NEEDED but could help, if using deca and other things with test i would push on the hcg more. i think you will be fine with normal pct.

just like he said^ , again all this and more is being told in the link quoted above ^ its heavy piece of good info, and very detailed too.

Ok sounds good so more than one vile haha, another question, when people first start to the go straight to 500mg of test e or do you taper up and down, insee a lot of people advocate for a pyramid type cycle

taper up/down is old school before people really knew how body and hormones really worked on humans biology and what was in favour of ones body. tapering, in my view, just gives extra waste-of-time window before your T levels build up and then when you decide to come off another time-wasted window before you completely cut off and go trough PCT. This may still be used nowadays if one is destined to be on TRT then tapering may/would provide smoother raise/drop in hormone levels, especially beneficial if one is more sensitive to drastic fluctuations, and of course on who's on TRT after cycle will return still to stable rather high T levels, where as you would come off your ~500mg/week dose then taper for whatever amount of weeks further suppressing your HPTA and then still have to give a break time between taper and PCT, plus run proper PCT when your exogenous hormone levels are null trying to bounce back your natural T production.... just waste of time, thats why you should start with 500mg, if will still decide to do this however, and when after ~10-12 weeks or so you're done, come off straight, let your body clear itself sooner begin pct sooner, attempt to restart your natural T sooner, and if lucky try to maintain your strict training protocols and tighter than ever diet because you will need it not to regret your cycle.

I will tell you straight, you want to be in need of going across your performance and weight/muscle gaining plateaus to look in to cycling, unless you are dealing with sub-par T levels this may be another reason you're not happy the way you're progressing. From all I read here you're not very certain what you wanna do with yourself exactly there fore I suggest DO NOT EVEN START. I would highly recommend look in to carb-cycling diets and at least do your bloodwork before you jump on anything. There's a chance you're either gonna like it and will not want to go off of it, or not enjoy it but will despise yourself ever starting doing it post cycle finding out that now you have to keep pin for the rest of your life not because you like it but because you will not be able to function without it as a normal male, therefore maintain your current performance levels/keep/gain lean mass.

Take your time and study shit out of all your scenarios, be realistic with yourself first man, its not all joy and rewards, there's alot more of a dark side to it than this.

[Scorpion0922]

DO NOT run HCG from Day 1, you use HCG towards the end of the cycle as a bridge into PCT.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

DO NOT run HCG from Day 1, you use HCG towards the end of the cycle as a bridge into PCT.

Totally disagree.
Use hCG starting your first week and run it right up until PCT.

[Noodle256]

Thank you for the insight I appreciate the time you all are taking to write this post. As I said before I'm not 100% sure that this is for me, I'm just trying to gather all the information and wave risk/rewards for doing this. There is a lot of information that I would want to learn before starting anything so I appreciate all the feedback and advice, as we can see here there is a lot of conflicting thoughts and opinions on all of this so I'm trying to decide what is best for me. Thanks!

[Tigershark]

Welcome.

[01dragonslayer]

Welcome aboard.