PCT Therapy Suggestions

[Boneslapper2002]

Hello,

I completed a 10 week cycle of Test E 250mg/week and a 10 week cycle of Tren E 200mg/week in June 2016 with ok results. I could not do another cycle due to a torn rotator cuff which I had surgery on 27OCT2016. I am recovering pretty good however, I recently purchased some TEST E 250mg and Nandrolone Decanoate 300mg. I will take TEST E500 mg/every week and Nandrolone Decanoate 400 mg/ every week. I will stop the Deca at 8 weeks cycle and the TEST at 10 weeks cycle. I have heard that Clomid and Nolvadex would be good for PCT to take however, my question is:

1) What is the dose I need to take?

2) Will I need to take both Clomid and Nolva during my cycle? If not, which one would you suggest?

3) When do I take it and how much to take?

4) Is Liquid Clomid and Liquid Nolvadex ok to take?


Your help in this matter would be greatly appreciated.

[numbere]

Hello,

I completed a 10 week cycle of Test E 250mg/week and a 10 week cycle of Tren E 200mg/week in June 2016 with ok results. I could not do another cycle due to a torn rotator cuff which I had surgery on 27OCT2016. I am recovering pretty good however, I recently purchased some TEST E 250mg and Nandrolone Decanoate 300mg. I will take TEST E500 mg/every week and Nandrolone Decanoate 400 mg/ every week. I will stop the Deca at 8 weeks cycle and the TEST at 10 weeks cycle. I have heard that Clomid and Nolvadex would be good for PCT to take however, my question is:

1) What is the dose I need to take?

2) Will I need to take both Clomid and Nolva during my cycle? If not, which one would you suggest?

3) When do I take it and how much to take?

4) Is Liquid Clomid and Liquid Nolvadex ok to take?


Your help in this matter would be greatly appreciated.

I don't see you getting the full benefits of deca if you're going to to use if for only 8 weeks.

If you want to use nandrolone for 8 weeks NPP would be a better choice.

Clomid and nolva are used for PCT.

AIs, such as arimidex and aromasin, are used on cycle.

For support on cycle you need an AI to control estrogen, hcg to keep your leydig cells functioning and should have a DA on hand when using a 19 nor.

Imo liquid clomid and nolva should only be used if you have a problem with your pharmacy grade SERMs.

When buying ancillaries from a research company you have no idea the quality of product you are receiving.

Pharmacy grade or generic pharma is your best bet.

For the cycle you proposed above PCT should look similar to the example below.

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20

[Boneslapper2002]

Thank you so much for your advice. I have a few more questions:
How long would you suggest I use DECA to see good results? I already have the DECA so I can purchase more if needed.

I have looked into some online sites like SARMS1 however in order for me to get pharmacy grade or generic pharma SERMS will I need to consult with my physician? Or is this something I can find online? What are your thoughts on Alldaychem or Reliable rx pharmacy?

I am sorry to sound like an idiot but what in the heck is a DA and 19 nor?
Thanks again for assistance!!!

[Juced_porkchop]

run deca 12 weeks and test 14
run an AI during

pct of clomid and tamox for 5 weeks is good.

good luck

[Boneslapper2002]

Thanks!!!

[numbere]

Thank you so much for your advice. I have a few more questions:
How long would you suggest I use DECA to see good results? I already have the DECA so I can purchase more if needed.

I have looked into some online sites like SARMS1 however in order for me to get pharmacy grade or generic pharma SERMS will I need to consult with my physician? Or is this something I can find online? What are your thoughts on Alldaychem or Reliable rx pharmacy?

I am sorry to sound like an idiot but what in the heck is a DA and 19 nor?
Thanks again for assistance!!!

Imo you should use deca for at least 12 weeks.

Be sure to run your test at least 1-2 weeks longer than deca to let it clear your system befell PCT.

The sites you mentioned are good places for generic SERMs, I've used both.

DA is an abbreviation for dopamine agonist.

19 nor is an abbreviation for 19 nortestosterone.

No offense but if you don't know what these are then you shouldn't be using deca because it means you haven't done enough research.

[Boneslapper2002]

Thanks for the information, I am sorry for sounding like an idiot however, I have researched the prolactin and testicular related side effects from DA and 19-nor I have not started my cycle yet that is why I'm trying to research everything now I will be taking the following in March or April please tell me how does this sound?

TEST E 500mg 2xs week for 14 weeks
DECA 400mg 2xs week for 12 weeks
ADEX .5 to 1mg EOD on cycle
HCG 2500iu EOD on cycle
CLOMID 75/50/50/50 ( how many days after last cycle)
NOLVADEX 40/20/20/20/20/20 ( how many days after days after last cycle)

Also, at what time points should I get my blood work (bw) done and what type of BW should I get?

Thanks again for your help!!!

[numbere]

Thanks for the information, I am sorry for sounding like an idiot however, I have researched the prolactin and testicular related side effects from DA and 19-nor I have not started my cycle yet that is why I'm trying to research everything now I will be taking the following in March or April please tell me how does this sound?

TEST E 500mg 2xs week for 14 weeks
DECA 400mg 2xs week for 12 weeks
ADEX .5 to 1mg EOD on cycle
HCG 2500iu EOD on cycle
CLOMID 75/50/50/50 ( how many days after last cycle)
NOLVADEX 40/20/20/20/20/20 ( how many days after days after last cycle)

Also, at what time points should I get my blood work (bw) done and what type of BW should I get?

Thanks again for your help!!!

That's understandable.

Good job taking care of this stuff before beginning.

Take dex from day one until starting PCT.

Take HCG from day one until 2-3 days before starting PCT.

Begin PCT about 14 days after the last pin of test.

Have your bw around week 6-8.

Then again about two months after finishing PCT.

If you begin experiencing side effects associated with out of range e2, prolactin, blood counts etc. then have labs sooner.

You should invest in some caber incase of elevated prolactin.

If you don't use it this time then you'll have it for another cycle.

[Boneslapper2002]

Hi Numbere,

Thank you very much I will purchase the caber as well just in case. This stuff gets kind of expensive however, if you can't play with the big dogs stay on the porch with the puppies!!!!

I will have the following Labs done:
Pre-Cycle BW 2 was prior to cycle
Mid-Cycle BW 7 to 8 wks into cycle
Post Cycle BW 6 wks after pct

[Boneslapper2002]

That's understandable.

Good job taking care of this stuff before beginning.

Take dex from day one until starting PCT.

Take HCG from day one until 2-3 days before starting PCT.

Begin PCT about 14 days after the last pin of test.

Have your bw around week 6-8.

Then again about two months after finishing PCT.

If you begin experiencing side effects associated with out of range e2, prolactin, blood counts etc. then have labs sooner.

You should invest in some caber incase of elevated prolactin.

If you don't use it this time then you'll have it for another cycle.

Hi Numbere,

So for the HCG I will need a shit load of HCG for 12 weeks correct because my calculations are EOD 2500 iu Xs 3.5 days a week 6500 iu per week. So I will need at least 9 to 10 vials of HCG 10000 iu correct?

[numbere]

Hi Numbere,

So for the HCG I will need a shit load of HCG for 12 weeks correct because my calculations are EOD 2500 iu Xs 3.5 days a week 6500 iu per week. So I will need at least 9 to 10 vials of HCG 10000 iu correct?

No you're incorrect.

Please read the attached thread.

HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

[Boneslapper2002]

No you're incorrect.

Please read the attached thread.

HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

Thanks I just finished reading this post so it looks like I will be doing 250 iu 2 times a week will this be ok? or will I need to split this into 1.66 iu 3 times a week? 3 times a week seems complicated for 500 iu. Lol im glad I will not need 10 amples of HCG 10000 iu I was sweating bullets.

[numbere]

Thanks I just finished reading this post so it looks like I will be doing 250 iu 2 times a week will this be ok? or will I need to split this into 1.66 iu 3 times a week? 3 times a week seems complicated for 500 iu. Lol im glad I will not need 10 amples of HCG 10000 iu I was sweating bullets.

Yes, take 250IU twice per week.