Getting some random side-effects

[Coffeehead]

I'm 6 weeks into my first cycle (Test-E @ 500mg/wk) and am experiencing good gains, but recently I've noticed a few weird sides. I have no idea if they are related or not to my cycle, so I'll defer to the vets here.

This is what I'm experiencing:

1. Fatigue: Often I'm dead tired in the middle of the day and need a nap. I'm also having trouble sleeping at night once I wake to piss (usually around 1-2am). Typically I can function on low sleep no problem, but I feel like I can't function once this fatigue kicks in.

2. Itchiness: We're talking super-itchy. Over the past few weeks my upper body has become uncontrollable itchy on a few occasions. No blotchiness or noticeable skin irritation, but the itching is pretty hard to tolerate. It usually goes away within a couple hours. Very weird, very unusual.

3. Dead-Arm: I already got the answer to this one. Apparently this is common to experience after waking up if you've added significant weight in the last few weeks.

Are these completely unrelated, or is there something I should be concerned about?

I'm getting my bloods done later this week.

~ Coffee

[Back In Black]

Ai? Any bloodwork?

What supps are you taking?

[Coffeehead]

AI:

0.5mg Adex EOD
250u HCG - every 5 days

Supps:

Multi-Vitamin: 3/day
Fish Oil: 3-5g/day
Creatine: 5g/day
Niacin: 500-1000mg/day
CoQ10: 200mg/day
Vitamin D3: 5000 IU/day
Vitamin B5: 10g/day
Zinc: 100mg/day
L-Theanine: 800mg/day
L-Tryptophan: 2000mg/day
NAC: 2400mg/day
L-Cysteine: 200mg/day
Curcumin: 500mg/day


As noted above, I'm getting bloods done later this week.

[Back In Black]

Your ai dose is probably too high and your E2 probably bottomed out. 0.25mg eod is the recommended starting point. That is likely the reason for your tiredness.

Itching? Possibly the vitamin D but probably the niacin, is it the no flush type?

That a boatload of supps, why so many?

[Mr.BB]

That a boatload of supps, why so many?

That's an understatement lol

[murphy.8314]

I got a question if you pin sust. 250 and tren eth. 100mg. Do you normally pin it every other day?

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[rt4man]

Yeah the itchiness is probably due to the niacin you are taking. Its the reason I avoid pre-workouts that have it as an ingredient.

[Marcus G]

You've done the right thing in getting bloods so post up the results when you get them

[songdog]

Yes thats a high dose of Adex to start with we start guys with 0.25EOD.

[hammerheart]

AI:

0.5mg Adex EOD
250u HCG - every 5 days

Supps:

Multi-Vitamin: 3/day
Fish Oil: 3-5g/day
Creatine: 5g/day
Niacin: 500-1000mg/day
CoQ10: 200mg/day
Vitamin D3: 5000 IU/day
Vitamin B5: 10g/day
Zinc: 100mg/day
L-Theanine: 800mg/day
L-Tryptophan: 2000mg/day
NAC: 2400mg/day
L-Cysteine: 200mg/day
Curcumin: 500mg/day


As noted above, I'm getting bloods done later this week.

Thah Zn is way too much. What form is it?

[Coffeehead]

Maybe I was playing it too safe with my Adex dosing after I started getting semi-sensitive, often hard nipples. So 0.5 eod is too much?

What's the downside of too low E2?

The itchiness is not related to niacin. I actually don't take it every day because I hate for flush, but when I do I usually take it at night before bed. I get the itchiness usually in the late afternoon.

Yes I do take a lot of supplements. But I've been taking this much for a while and so I'm inclined to think none of these are the culprit for tha yes I do take a lot of supplements. But I've been taking this much for a while and saw him inclined to think none of these are the culprit. The only thing I've introduced recently is my cycle, so that's what I thought might be causing it.

I'm taking Zinc Picolinate. I'm actually taking 50 mg/day– my mistake.

[kelkel]

Maybe I was playing it too safe with my Adex dosing after I started getting semi-sensitive, often hard nipples. So 0.5 eod is too much?

Your nipples aren't dead so it's natural to have some sensitivity when you suddenly have such a large influx of hormones. Arguably .5 is to much but only BW will tell for sure.

[Coffeehead]

Your nipples aren't dead so it's natural to have some sensitivity when you suddenly have such a large influx of hormones. Arguably .5 is to much but only BW will tell for sure.

LOL. I didn't think they were dead, but not having done test before I was more concerned with it progressing into the direction of gyno, so I upped the dosage. Rookie mistake I suppose.

My bloods will be drawn on Wednesday AM and will share my results when I get them.

One more side effect, although this could be related to adding 20 lbs of mass...my lower back is super tight lately and gets fatigued really quickly. That's rather unusual.

[Juced_porkchop]

Your ai dose is probably too high and your E2 probably bottomed out. 0.25mg eod is the recommended starting point. That is likely the reason for your tiredness.

Itching? Possibly the vitamin D but probably the niacin, is it the no flush type?

That a boatload of supps, why so many?

exactly what I was gonna say.

[Coffeehead]

exactly what I was gonna say.

Thanks for the feedback. I've actually reduced to 0.5 Adex E3D since my tablets are hard AF to cut even with a pill cutter. Still not sleeping well but bloods get drawn mañana so we'll see then.

The itching definitely isn't the Niacin. I won't concern myself too much with it unless it happens again. It's been two random episodes.

I like to cover my bases. I could go through each supp but that would be a long explanation and a waste of time IMO.

I'm no longer taking CoQ10, or and the niacin is on hold until I see my lipids. L-Cysteine is also on hold until I get some more.

[hammerheart]

I'm taking Zinc Picolinate. I'm actually taking 50 mg/day– my mistake.

That's highly bio-available but it's rapidly excreted too. My choice goes to Zn citrate, it's both cheap and well used by the body but also l-(optizinc) is great in my opinion.

As for your sides, I suggest you to revisit AI dosing as already suggested. Some (including) me are extremely sensitive to E2 crashes.

[Coffeehead]

That's highly bio-available but it's rapidly excreted too. My choice goes to Zn citrate, it's both cheap and well used by the body but also l-(optizinc) is great in my opinion.

As for your sides, I suggest you to revisit AI dosing as already suggested. Some (including) me are extremely sensitive to E2 crashes.

Appreciate your reply brother. Will most definitely be getting to the bottom of this soon, and I'll post the bloods when they are in to see how/where I effed up.

Thanks!

[Quester]

1)Niacin is a stimulant (Vit-B). Hence, do not take in the latter half of day
2)A sleep doc at Mayo prescribed trazadone for sleep because I was waking up in the morn w/ soreness, incl. my back. I stopped doing a few things and now I don't take the trazadone. When experiencing possible food, drug/supplement, or a change of activities it's better to cut out stuff than add more and cover up what is still wrong on some level.
3) High Cortisol (from over-stress, overwork, over doing it at gym or not being able to get over... usually disrupts sleep. Get your cortisol count with your BW. Sched BW between 7-9 am, when Cortisol is supposed to be tested (otherwise it is inconclusive).

[Quester]

Also, If you are taking a multi-vit 3xday, I'm guessing it is Optimen. Multivitamins in american bodies = expensive shit and piss in the toilet. Consider taking your 3xday multi vit onve per day-in morning.

[Coffeehead]

another potential side popped up. I thought it was an ingrown hair on my arm, but I just got one on my leg as well where it wasn't shaved. At least not recently.

Maybe two randomly located cystic acne bumps? It's weird because my skin has been great this whole cycle.

Or maybe they are just ingrowns.

Fuk it hurts. Lol.