First tren pin - hysterical!

[bobtail]

I have 10-15 cycles under my belt but never tried tren. You read on these boards and it scares the crap out of you!
Anyhow, researched for months and decided to take the plunge.
First pin, got tren cough from hell! Didn't freak because I've had it from other compounds. Still just my luck.
Next, the second to the worst pip I've ever had. Haven't had it in years but now I'm limping around like a cripple.
No big deal. Been there before.
First night: sweat until the sheets were soaked. No big deal either. Insomnia from hell. Slept about 2 hours at a clip.
Really I think it's funny. What's the odds of getting all that on first pin?
Anyway, I'm pressing on but I just thought it was an amusing story!

[Jonbana]

your over thinking it I think , wouldn't even be in your system yet lol

[Marcus G]

Jesus if you got that off one shot there's not hope for you once it really kicks in lol.

[Scottishjuicer18]

Your crazy bro - I thought I was bad

[01dragonslayer]

If you started coughing immediately you most likely passed through a vein.

[jstone]

your over thinking it I think , wouldn't even be in your system yet lol

Its in your system from the minute you inject it. Even long ester test will elevate your test levels immediately.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Its in your system from the minute you inject it. Even long ester test will elevate your test levels immediately.

Not exactly.
It takes a while for the body to cleave off the ester.
For example...
You inject test C.
Right after you inject your blood level of testosterone don't rise.
What does rise is your blood level of testosterone cypionate.
Your blood cannot use testosterone cypionate.
Overtime, your body will cleave off the cypionate ester.
As it does this, your blood level of testosterone rises and your blood level of testosterone cypionate lowers.
It takes many weeks for all the testosterone cypionate to get covered to straight testosterone.

[Couchlock]

Not exactly.
It takes a while for the body to cleave off the ester.
For example...
You inject test C.
Right after you inject your blood level of testosterone don't rise.
What does rise is your blood level of testosterone cypionate.
Your blood cannot use testosterone cypionate.
Overtime, your body will cleave off the cypionate ester.
As it does this, your blood level of testosterone rises and your blood level of testosterone cypionate lowers.
It takes many weeks for all the testosterone cypionate to get covered to straight testosterone.

What is happening to the ester during "cleave" like how is your body cleaving it off? And what is the waste product of such esters like enanthate and cypionate?

Are the esters harmful to your body?

[MMA_Influenced]

If thats your first pin I cant believe you would press on but hell if your willing to deal with the pain to see if things get better as it goes then all good.

I just am shocked when I read how people react to Tren. My first real cycle was Tren and I didnt do a small dose. Absolutely had no sides (had the cough a few times). Only sides were acne, faster heart rate, fast muscle growth, and a resistence to gaining fat

[MMA_Influenced]

your over thinking it I think , wouldn't even be in your system yet lol

It totally would be in his system if its acetate. That only has a 3 day half life and also ive read starts working an hour amd a half after injection. The thing is you may not notice your body going through changes until it really builds up.

Drugs are strongest at their half life. After the full life nearly (6 days) You would have a mix of 3 different shots of tren and you would feel it for sure by then. The acetate should be fully kicked in, in about a week if you go by the halflife. Correct me if Im wrong.

[MMA_Influenced]

Not exactly.
It takes a while for the body to cleave off the ester.
For example...
You inject test C.
Right after you inject your blood level of testosterone don't rise.
What does rise is your blood level of testosterone cypionate.
Your blood cannot use testosterone cypionate.
Overtime, your body will cleave off the cypionate ester.
As it does this, your blood level of testosterone rises and your blood level of testosterone cypionate lowers.
It takes many weeks for all the testosterone cypionate to get covered to straight testosterone.

Yeah but acetate has a much shorter ester and only a 3 day halflife. Meaning the whole shot runs its course in 3 days. I bet you he injects in the morning and he feels it by night for sure. Also I swear I read somewhere it starts to release after only an hour and a half.. the tren. Maybe In crazy but I swear I read it.

[jstone]

Not exactly.
It takes a while for the body to cleave off the ester.
For example...
You inject test C.
Right after you inject your blood level of testosterone don't rise.
What does rise is your blood level of testosterone cypionate.
Your blood cannot use testosterone cypionate.
Overtime, your body will cleave off the cypionate ester.
As it does this, your blood level of testosterone rises and your blood level of testosterone cypionate lowers.
It takes many weeks for all the testosterone cypionate to get covered to straight testosterone.

The amount of time it take for the body to cleave the ester isnt days its only hours. Test levels peak around 48 hours after a cyp injection. I know it takes time for the ester to be cleaved from the total dose, but the body begins to process it once it enters the bloodstream. So testosterone levels will be elevated within hours.

[DocToxin8]

What is happening to the ester during "cleave" like how is your body cleaving it off? And what is the waste product of such esters like enanthate and cypionate?

Are the esters harmful to your body?

First of all, the half life of the ester are not half life in blood, but the half life it takes for the ester to diffuse out of the oil depot (in the muscle) to the bloodstream. Once f.ex testosterone propionate reaches the blood, the propionate ester is quite quickly cleaved off, giving: testosterone + propanoic acid. (The ester will convert to its corresponding fatty acid, and from there enter beta oxidation and be used for energy)

That some testosterone enanthate (f.ex) will linger in the blood and perhaps even accumulate in fatty tissue elsewhere, will constitute a very small portion of the total. Most will be deesterified within minutes to hours in the blood.

So the decanoate ester will give decanoic acid, and so on.
And the active molecule will have a OH group where the ester bond was,
giving testosterone, nandrolone, etc.

[DocToxin8]

And yes, after injecting tren enanthate, blood levels will rise the same day.
That's because the half life isn't linear, it doesn't follow true 1. Order kinetics.
The first days after an 250mg injection with test e you'll get supraphyisiogic levels. Then the release from the depot will more and more adhere to 1.order kinetics, where the half life will be X days.

But whenever you train the muscle and thus stimulate blood supply, you'll get a short spike in absorption.

[DocToxin8]

And back to the OP;
That's hilarious! I've never had tren cough from injecting any AAS, and I know I've nicked a vein at some point because I could taste the AAS in my mouth and got a little dizzy.
I know some who get the cough almost every time though.

Perhaps in your case, you shouldn't read about more of the side effects.
It seems sometimes knowledge isn't power, hehe.
Just kidding, I think you'll adjust to it just fine.
But maybe u should consider diluting the tren shot with some test or something?

[bobtail]

Roger that, Doc! Sometimes you scare yourself!
Nothing I can't handle. I just thought it was funny.
On the upside, I feel great! Taking it slow to get the feel for things. 200mg/week with my standard 750mg of test.
It's weird how different people react to stuff. Some people love Deca but it gives me anxiety. Nothing big but jumpy for sure.
EQ works great for me and other people say it's worthless. I have no problems with dbol but winny and var make my hair fall out.
I guess we are all like snowflakes!

[bobtail]

Oh, 2nd pin was nice and smooth. No pip. I used a smaller 1" needle which may have helped.
This stuff is really treating me good!
Last night I noticed it cracked a bit. No idea why since it's hot here. Popped it on the stove and cleared back up in a couple of minutes. Lets see if it stays that way!

[Couchlock]

Oh, 2nd pin was nice and smooth. No pip. I used a smaller 1" needle which may have helped.
This stuff is really treating me good!
Last night I noticed it cracked a bit. No idea why since it's hot here. Popped it on the stove and cleared back up in a couple of minutes. Lets see if it stays that way!

Cracked?

[bobtail]

Cracked?

That's when it comes out of solution. Wasn't made exactly right. Somebody else can probably explain it better than me.
It just starts to look cloudy instead of clear. Generally you can set the vial on the stove top (right on the burner although I usually put it in a frying pan) over medium heat. If you watch it, it will turn back clear in a few minutes (less than 5 usually). Take it off the stove (use a pot holder!) and let it sit until it's cool.
Most of the time it will stay clear. If not, it's pretty much no good.
This is somewhat common with UGL gear and usually not a big deal.
I've actually heard of guys heating it up even if it isn't cracked to make it more sterile but I never tried that.

[Couchlock]

That's when it comes out of solution. Wasn't made exactly right. Somebody else can probably explain it better than me.
It just starts to look cloudy instead of clear. Generally you can set the vial on the stove top (right on the burner although I usually put it in a frying pan) over medium heat. If you watch it, it will turn back clear in a few minutes (less than 5 usually). Take it off the stove (use a pot holder!) and let it sit until it's cool.
Most of the time it will stay clear. If not, it's pretty much no good.
This is somewhat common with UGL gear and usually not a big deal.
I've actually heard of guys heating it up even if it isn't cracked to make it more sterile but I never tried that.

Crashed.

[bobtail]

Doh! Crashed! Must have been thinking about my past life :-)

[evanescent]

There any reason why you're running Test so high?

Been doing a lot of reading lately on TRT level Test + Tren cycles that's got my interest. Mostly on the dopamine agonist vs. AI's front and which is the better of the two to have floating around in your system.