Bloodwork results

[230isthegoal]

So I got my lab results back today and they were as follows:

Total test 2136
Free test 52
Hdl 25
LDL 82
Estradiol 60

My CBC was normal.

I'm headed to work a huge private event for work right now so I don't have time to delve
Into the numbers more but what does everybody think?

I'm only taking 6.25 aromasin eod and have not experienced any side effects other than feeling great at the gym. Should I up the dose to combat the high estradiol? I only assume my aromasin is good because it came from the same source as the test e which is obviously good

Also, is it a concern that my hdl is low/is there anything I should do about it?

My blood pressure is great also.

[01dragonslayer]

Are you having any issues below the belt?

[230isthegoal]

Below the belt, yes.

When I wasn't taking the aromasin my libido dropped off the face of the earth. None whatsoever. Then when I was doing 12.5g aromasin a day it came back but then I think my estrogen crashed so I backed off. The day of my bloodwork was the day I didn't dose 6.25 aromasin as I'm currently taking it eod so that may account for the high result but.....yes. I don't really have sex drive.

I didn't really think too much of it because I spent years 18-25 going nothing but having sex so now I don't care as much and I'm single with no interests so I don't think of it as a problem.

I did hang out with my lady friend a few weeks ago and couldn't keep it up when normally it's no problem but she understood because she does physique competitions and knows that it can be a side effect.

[kirkjamest]

Is your HDL normally that low? I have a history of low HDL and it came down further with AAS. I used slow release niacin to raise it and it worked. Brought it up almost 20 percent which wasn't much of a move for me as it was as low as 19, but still it moved. I don't mind the flush that comes with it because I'm a nutcase although the slow release reduces that flush feeling quite a bit. That and HCG together can turn me into a strawberry so if you try it you may want to take those two completely separate, if you are taking HCG on cycle. Your LDL is awesome, mine has never looked like that, genetics man, great genetics.

[01dragonslayer]

IMO to level out your estradiol you may have bump up your dose to 12.5mg again depending how much test your cycling. Then again you would have to get blood work repeated to know for sure. I usually do not run aromasin but from what I have researched typical doses are 12.5mg 5-750mg/Test. But as your know what may work for someone may not work for another. Sorry for not being able to give you a straight up answer. Hoping someone with a little more expirience will chime in.

[230isthegoal]

Is your HDL normally that low? I have a history of low HDL and it came down further with AAS. I used slow release niacin to raise it and it worked. Brought it up almost 20 percent which wasn't much of a move for me as it was as low as 19, but still it moved. I don't mind the flush that comes with it because I'm a nutcase although the slow release reduces that flush feeling quite a bit. That and HCG together can turn me into a strawberry so if you try it you may want to take those two completely separate, if you are taking HCG on cycle. Your LDL is awesome, mine has never looked like that, genetics man, great genetics.

It's funny you say genetic because when I was 15 my total cholesterol was around 240. My whole family has been dying from heart disease and diabeties. My hdl normally stays around 40 so on cycle it has dropped so I suppose adding in more olive oil should help but right now I eat salmon regularly and take fish oil and have 3 Tb olive oil every day and always have at least one avocado and 1/4 cup almonds. I never figured my cholesterol would be this low. But also, the only dairy I have is 1 cup milk per day, and I don't eat red meat. With a total cholesterol of 100 I'm not really concerned, but if it drops much lower I'd need to raise it somehow.

[230isthegoal]

IMO to level out your estradiol you may have bump up your dose to 12.5mg again depending how much test your cycling. Then again you would have to get blood work repeated to know for sure. I usually do not run aromasin but from what I have researched typical doses are 12.5mg 5-750mg/Test. But as your know what may work for someone may not work for another. Sorry for not being able to give you a straight up answer. Hoping someone with a little more expirience will chime in.

I decided to up to 6.25 ed and see how that affects my libido because that seems to be my only side effect. No gyno, no water retention, and no sides from the test either. But then again 500/week seems to be a mild dose of im correct.

[01dragonslayer]

500mg/wk?..for some it could be. A lot is dependent on cycle history, size, genetics, etc. Sound like you have a plan....keep us posted. Good luck.

[kirkjamest]

40 for HDL isn't bad but it's way below the Cleveland Heart Clinic recommendations. Exercise brings it up, obviously the end of the cycle will bring it up and niacin does work. Try it, nothing to loose although niacin can have some affect on the liver. Total cholesterol of 100 is great and ldl of 82 is even better. There are plenty of studies done by Dr. Coldwell Esselstyn showing LDL levels of 80 or below makes it impossible for ones body to even produce fatty deposits in the blood, regardless of HDL. interesting thing about his studies though, none of his subjects used oils of any kind. Or meat for that matter. I'm no cardiologist but I have plenty of heart issues and educate the hell out of myself (not online because there is proof Elvis and Tupac are still alive online) which indicates to me you are in good shape with heart health. I wish I had your numbers. Elevated totals are quite common in youth because that is easily affected by diet from day to day. AKA false readings which can be confirmed by VLDL tests and bouyancy tests. Heart health is an interesting area of medicine and although there is a huge amount of evidence showing certain things there are people with numbers way over the norms who live to be 90+. And there are plenty of people with great bloodwork who drop dead of heart attack at 30.

[kelkel]

I don't eat red meat.

I'd die.

[chab]

You estrogen level is too high, even 12.5 mg once daily won't be enough in my opinion, use 25 mg once daily.
Your HDL is low, take Fish oil capsules and add some olive oil to your meals, and peanut butter to your desserts.
Your LDL is fine, Your test is not fake.

[230isthegoal]

I'd die.

Yea everybody I know that trains hard tells me I need to eat red meat but I'm just not a fan. I'll eat a lean cut once and a while but I'd rather eat quality fish for free at my restaurant.

[230isthegoal]

You estrogen level is too high, even 12.5 mg once daily won't be enough in my opinion, use 25 mg once daily.
Your HDL is low, take Fish oil capsules and add some olive oil to your meals, and peanut butter to your desserts.
Your LDL is fine, Your test is not fake.

I know my test isn't fake. Blood tests verify this. I already have peanut butter, probably a TB Of olive oil with 3 meals, fish oil daily, and what is a dessert?

When I took 12.5mg of aromasin I believe it killed my estrogen. I could try again but before when I took it I got soooooo tired and zombied out and Nothing else had changed other than taking the aromasin so I assumed that caused it.

[devil-1986]

what was your cycle ?

[MMA_Influenced]

So I got my lab results back today and they were as follows:

Total test 2136
Free test 52
Hdl 25
LDL 82
Estradiol 60

My CBC was normal.

I'm headed to work a huge private event for work right now so I don't have time to delve
Into the numbers more but what does everybody think?

I'm only taking 6.25 aromasin eod and have not experienced any side effects other than feeling great at the gym. Should I up the dose to combat the high estradiol? I only assume my aromasin is good because it came from the same source as the test e which is obviously good

Also, is it a concern that my hdl is low/is there anything I should do about it?

My blood pressure is great also.

Wish I knew what and how much of it you were taking during this cycle but 2000 is definitely a real cycle being the average 21 year old only has 700 or so but still Ive seen much higher results

[230isthegoal]

For those asking my cycle is 500mg test a week. I'm currently on week 7 and am up 14 pounds and am having extraordinary results in my training. I started at 208 6'3 16% BF. Now at 222, first 2 weeks it seems I gained 8 pounds of water or whatnot and then weight and strength gain has been steady. The last 2 weeks have been absolutely crazy.

[AR's King Silabolin]

So I got my lab results back today and they were as follows:

Total test 2136
Free test 52
Hdl 25
LDL 82
Estradiol 60

My CBC was normal.

I'm headed to work a huge private event for work right now so I don't have time to delve
Into the numbers more but what does everybody think?

I'm only taking 6.25 aromasin eod and have not experienced any side effects other than feeling great at the gym. Should I up the dose to combat the high estradiol? I only assume my aromasin is good because it came from the same source as the test e which is obviously good

Also, is it a concern that my hdl is low/is there anything I should do about it?

My blood pressure is great also.

Your hdl is normal. Ive never seen a guy managing to keep it in range when cycling. A couple of pubmedreports say bad cholestrolvalues caused by steroids do not thicken the arterie walls. Bostin Loyd also stated that.

To be more safe eat cholestrolfriendly and make sure its normal before u do another run.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Please post a link to these reports.
I highly doubt that LDL cholesterol caused by steroids isn't bad for you but regular LDL is.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Please post a link to these reports.
I highly doubt that LDL cholesterol caused by steroids isn't bad for you but regular LDL is.

Androgenic anabolic steroids and arterial structure and function in male bodybuilders.
Sader MA1, Griffiths KA, McCredie RJ, Handelsman DJ, Celermajer DS.
Author information
Abstract
OBJECTIVES:

The study examined arterial and cardiac structure and function in bodybuilders using androgenic anabolic steroids (AAS), compared to non-steroid-using bodybuilder controls.
BACKGROUND:

Adverse cardiovascular events have been reported in bodybuilders taking anabolic steroids. The cardiovascular effects of AAS, however, have not been investigated in detail.
METHODS:

We recruited 20 male bodybuilders (aged 35 +/- 3 years), 10 actively using AAS and 10 who denied ever using steroids. Serum lipid and hormone levels, carotid intima-media thickness (IMT), arterial reactivity, and left ventricular (LV) dimensions were measured. Vessel diameter was measured by ultrasound at rest, during reactive hyperemia (an endothelium-dependent response, leading to flow-mediated dilation, FMD), and after sublingual nitroglycerin (GTN, an endothelium-independent dilator). Arterial reactivity was also measured in 10 age-matched non-bodybuilding sedentary controls.
RESULTS:

Use of AAS was associated with significant decreases in high density lipoprotein cholesterol, sex hormone binding globulin, testosterone and gonadotrophin levels, and significant increases in LV mass and self-reported physical strength (p < 0.05). Carotid IMT (0.60 +/- 0.04 mm vs. 0.63 +/- 0.07 mm), arterial FMD (4.7 +/- 1.4% vs. 4.1 +/- 0.7%) and GTN responses (11.0 +/- 1.9% vs. 14.4 +/- 1.7%) were similar in both bodybuilding groups (p > 0.2). The GTN responses were significantly lower and carotid IMT significantly higher in both bodybuilding groups, however, compared with the non-bodybuilding sedentary controls (p = 0.01).
CONCLUSIONS:

Although high-level bodybuilding is associated with impaired vascular reactivity and increased arterial thickening, the use of AAS per se is not associated with significant abnormalities of arterial structure or function.

GTG for us all:-)...

[AR's King Silabolin]

Make sense to me...how many times have u read about a bodybuilder dying from stroke.

Arteries in Matarazzos heart were 95% stuffed but he admitted he did "unspeakable" things to his body. Some other things than 500 mgs of test and deca i guess...

[MMA_Influenced]

For those asking my cycle is 500mg test a week. I'm currently on week 7 and am up 14 pounds and am having extraordinary results in my training. I started at 208 6'3 16% BF. Now at 222, first 2 weeks it seems I gained 8 pounds of water or whatnot and then weight and strength gain has been steady. The last 2 weeks have been absolutely crazy.

Thats great. Yeah 500mg a week looks in line with 2000 test. Everything is fine. And if your gaining great the thats awsome obviously. Goodluck

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I disagree with your assessment of the results of the study.
If anything, it is worse for all of us.

It says that high level bodybuilding is bad for you.

It says both groups of bodybuilders, the users and non-users, had worse levels than the control group.
Therefore, it is the bodybuilding and not the steroids that caused the problems.

My guess is that the 10 users who denied using steroids were in fact not natty.

Maybe Bonaparte could read this better than me.

[230isthegoal]

i disagree with your assessment of the results of the study.
If anything, it is worse for all of us.

It says that high level bodybuilding is bad for you.

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this

[230isthegoal]

Your hdl is normal. Ive never seen a guy managing to keep it in range when cycling. A couple of pubmedreports say bad cholestrolvalues caused by steroids do not thicken the arterie walls. Bostin Loyd also stated that.

To be more safe eat cholestrolfriendly and make sure its normal before u do another run.

Yea my hdl is normally around 40, which is still low, but my total cholesterol hasnt been over 130 in about 6 years. when I was 13 y/o i was 250 lbs and my cholesterol was around 230. doctor told my mom that she needed to feed me less crap or i would run into heart health problems in later years. basically my eating habits when i was young were just not that great. i drank a half gallon of milk a day, ate way too much fast food, and wasnt active at all.

now my diet is amazing and my health is as well. ive gotten to about 3300 calories of nothing but nutrient dense foods, no garbage.

[numbere]

Here's the whole journal article if anyone is interested.

Androgenic anabolic steroids and arterial structure and function in male bodybuilders

[kelkel]

Here's the whole journal article if anyone is interested.

Androgenic anabolic steroids and arterial structure and function in male bodybuilders

The second group of 10 were lying anyway.....