Power PCT Advice.....after BW just received...

[Denver42]

Ok, so I posted a week ago about taking 1gr of test a week for 7 months with no SERM or AI.....

Thanks to the experienced people on here I got my blood work done and was wondering if I can get some feedback on what I'm looking at....

Test LC/MS 313 with a range of 348-1197 pg/ml

Free test 5.5 With a range of 8.7-25.1 pg/ml

Prolactin 6.3 With a range of 4-15.2 ng/ml

Estradiol Sensitive 12.2 with a range of 8-35

Glucose serum? was high at 112 with a range of 65-99

Anything else you guys need? I'm going to start HCG 2500IU every other day for 8 days, while taking 40mg of Nolva and 100mg of clomid for around a month....

Thoughts???

Thanks!!!

[Back In Black]

That PCT doesn't look like the advice given in your previous thread

Aromasin is an AI and imo an AI should only be taken while on cycle and not during PCT.
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The Power PCT program consists of two parts, and uses three research compounds. Part I uses hCG to test functionality of the leydig cells. Part II uses tamoxifen (nolva) and clomiphene (clomid) to stimulate a hypothalamic pituitary response.

Part I

Part I begins with administering an hCG challenge test consisting of 1,000-2,500 IU every other day for 15 days. At the of the 15 day period one should have an assay which includes total test. A failed test for sufficient leydig cell functionality is when serum test levels reside in the low 20% of the adult male reference range, which is about 400 ng/dl. If one is unable to attain normal levels through the hCG challenge then they are likely suffering from primary hypogonadism. This means that if SERM treatment in Part II is successful then natural test levels will likely be less than desirable.

Part II

The second half of the protocol uses nolva and clomid in order to stimulate the hypothalamus to produce gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) and the pituitary to release luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH). LH will then signal the leydig cells to begin test production and FSH communicate with the sertoli cells to begin spermatogenesis.

SERM treatment should begin with clomid dosed at 50 mg twice a day for 30 days, and nolva dosed at 20 mg/day for 45 days. Then 6-8 weeks after succession of PCT, labs should be drawn which include a full hormone panel in order to assess the extent of HPTA restoration.

[Denver42]

The only big difference that I see is that I'm taking 2500IU's for 8 days, should I use less to make it last 15 days?

And the SERMS are right on track? two 50mg clomid a day, and one or two Nolva 20 mg a day? just one?

The blood work doesn't look that bad does it?

[numbere]

The only big difference that I see is that I'm taking 2500IU's for 8 days, should I use less to make it last 15 days?

IMO the HCG aspect of Scally's PCT is only worth implementing if one is going to have blood work after the first 15 days, and would also like to test for functionality of the testicals. This first 15 day period is what Scally refers to as a "dynamic challenge." The hCG challenge aspect of his regimine is meant to test if one is suffering from primary hypogonadism.

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[Denver42]

Ok, so I do the 15 days and then get BW to read it..... One question, after reading Scally's protocol is that I start the SERMS the same day as I do HCG?

How off are my numbers? They don't appear like they are really that far off?

Thanks!

[numbere]

Ok, so I do the 15 days and then get BW to read it..... One question, after reading Scally's protocol is that I start the SERMS the same day as I do HCG?

How off are my numbers? They don't appear like they are really that far off?

Thanks!

Opinions differ on the timing of Scally's protocol because the wording in his book is subjective.

Imo the HCG challenge test should be administered before SERM therapy.

Your tt is below the standard deviation for your age range.

The more important question is how you feel.

[Denver42]

I don't have any libido and some ED for sure..... the only side effects.... I've read both take SERMS starting the day you start HCG and then wait until after.....

I just started the first 2500iu's yesterday, so I think I'll feel something in a couple days from what I read it works very fast and then you have both SERMS to help your body get back on track after the "Jump start" from the HCG...

My TT is low, but I would have expected most of it aromatized but I don't see that in my Estradiol isn't high??? Could I just have had a very weak batch? otherwise I think my ES and Prolactin would be through the roof?

Thanks for your knowledge Numbere.... Hard to find good people to talk to that are knowledgeable..... Hence my situation

[numbere]

I don't have any libido and some ED for sure..... the only side effects.... I've read both take SERMS starting the day you start HCG and then wait until after.....

I just started the first 2500iu's yesterday, so I think I'll feel something in a couple days from what I read it works very fast and then you have both SERMS to help your body get back on track after the "Jump start" from the HCG...

My TT is low, but I would have expected most of it aromatized but I don't see that in my Estradiol isn't high??? Could I just have had a very weak batch? otherwise I think my ES and Prolactin would be through the roof?

Thanks for your knowledge Numbere.... Hard to find good people to talk to that are knowledgeable..... Hence my situation

Hcg does not jump start your system when used in this way.

Hcg is used to test for primary hypogonadism.

If you fail the HCG test then it's useless to continue on with the second half.

Your e2 is not elevated.

[Denver42]

Ok, so no SERMS until the last HCG injection..... but what dosage would your recommend for the HCG?

I'll get the HCG test when I'm done before I see if stage 2 will be a waste....

[Denver42]

Thanks for the help.....

[numbere]

Ok, so no SERMS until the last HCG injection..... but what dosage would your recommend for the HCG?

I'll get the HCG test when I'm done before I see if stage 2 will be a waste....

1,000-2,500IU every other day for 15 days.

[Denver42]

Got it.... thanks!