Detection times. Can they be manipulated/shortened if donating/draining blood???

[micki.petersen.18]

Detection times. Can they be manipulated/shortened if donating/draining blood???


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[600@50]

Nope. It just takes time for the left over metabolites to dissipate.

[01dragonslayer]

Detection times cannot....donating blood can alter certain blood values.

[DocToxin8]

Nope, unless you're talking about detection times for the RESULTS of EPO.
(EPO itself leaves the system quickly though)
And the heightened hemoglobin (and RBC, hematocrit, etc) lingers, but removing that defeats the purpose of EPO, unless you manage to do the comp, and then drain blood before you get tested, which is highly unlikely.

Competing in drug tested sports and using PEDs is an art form unto itself.
And it's becoming pretty hard, but not impossible, not at all.

Using testosterone, f.ex transdermally, is a viable option (one of many),
but still requires you to manipulate endogenous production near the test.
While I'm sure this could be done with pure LH and FSH (not hcg),
best bet is probably to stay off during the comp, perhaps use just enough test to remain in the upper normal while still keeping some LH/FSH floating around.

It all depends of how often one plus tested, and if one is only tested on competition.
Over here, if doing f.ex shot put, sprint, wrestling or any OL sport,
you're required to let WADA know where you will be for one hour every day 365 days of the year, so that they can come for a "surprise visit" at any time during the year. You're thus not protected by "calling in sick" and drilling a few competitions to bulk up or whatever.
So it requires some real dedication and invention, and some risk.

Heard it's easier in the US, but don't know.

[Mr.BB]

Using testosterone, f.ex transdermally, is a viable option (one of many),
but still requires you to manipulate endogenous production near the test.
While I'm sure this could be done with pure LH and FSH (not hcg),
best bet is probably to stay off during the comp, perhaps use just enough test to remain in the upper normal while still keeping some LH/FSH floating around.

^^^This wouldnt work. Blood tests will detect if the testosterone is endogenous or exogenous.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2784500/

[DocToxin8]

^^^This wouldnt work. Blood tests will detect if the testosterone is endogenous or exogenous.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2784500/

Very interesting study.
And I'm glad you corrected me, as I can't say it will work,
just that I know people that have got away with it.
Which isn't the same.
New methods are developed all the time.
Still, there ia some uncertainty even with C13 testing, and the precise aim by using transdermal testosterone is to NOT get 100% shut down.
With still some endogenous test floating around one can hypothesize that the radio isotope test won't be accurate enough.

However, it makes me think... how about using testosterone extract from animals instead of synthetic made from plants. That would solve this.

[DocToxin8]

Provided you still keep epitestosterone and LH and FSH in there, but that can be done. HMG is LH and FSH (often of human origin), that leaves epitestosterone. (Which again, can be extracted)

I'm sure someone has done this allready.