Lowish testosterone log 18y/o

[hollowedzeus]

I do love a good log and i have spent a large portion of time reading users low testosterone threads on this site amongst others. I am starting my own log where i will update every few months perhaps with blood work and medical updates. I do this so i can see my journey as well as others who would like to see how the process is in the UK.

Now to clear a few things up first. I am not immediatly seeking trt... 1. I dont know if my testosterone level merits it...
2. I know it is a lifelong commitment and this is my one and only life
3. As kel says i dont want to put a band aid on the problem rather than addressing the issue correctly.

There are many logs where individuals are dying for trt for an excuse to start steroids at an earlier age and also to stay on forever to not loose those MAD GAINZ.

I will be honest that that part of the equation lurks at the back of my brain but i am ignoring it in an attempt to stay healthy and prolong my life.

I have already had 2 blood tests which i will post. And also brought up low sex drive and low test to a doctor and been dismissed. The nhs will no longer help me with my issues as i am wasting their money... that i pay monthly... as part of tax.... hmm

Now... apolgies for the long first post. I will conclude with asking all of you guys to input and help as much as you wish and i will also post up my bloodwork below shortly.

Thank you
Zeus

[kelkel]

Be following this. It has potential to help others stuck in the same situation.

[hollowedzeus]

Be following this. It has potential to help others stuck in the same situation.

Thank you that is part of my intention

[hollowedzeus]

So this is my first bloodwork. I ordered almost every test in this bloodwork after i suspected low testosterone. My doctors surgery wasnt pleased that i had expectations of what to have tested.
I wass also on keto at this time so it was theorised that the lack of carbs is what caused low t feelings

Edit here is the blood work typed out as the picture isnt great
Plasma glucose level 4.5mmol/L - range 3.0-6.0

CALCIUM
serum albumin 54g/L - 35-50

Corrected serum calcium level 2.32mmol/L -range 2.20 - 2.60

serum lipids

Serum cholesterol 4.4mmol/L - range 0.0-5.0

Total cholesterol HDL RATIO 3.1

Serum triglycerides 0.60mmol/L - range 0.00-2.30

Serum HDL cholesterol levels 1.41mmol/L -range 0.90-1.80

Serum LDL cholesterol levels 2.7mmol/L -range 0.0-3.0

LIVER FUNCTION
Serum albumin - 54g/L - range 35-50
Serum alkaline phosphatase 79U/L - range 65-210
Serum alanine aminotransferase level 29U/L - range 5-55
Serum bilirubin 12umol/L - range 0-20

UREA AND ELECTROLYTES
Serum bicarbonate 27mmol/L - range 22-29
Serum chloride 101mmol/L - range 95-108
Serum sodium 145mmol/L - range 133-146
Serum creatinine 81umol/L - range 71-123
Estimated EGFR >59
Serum urea level 6.1mmol/L - range 2.5-7.8

THYROID
free t4 level 14.4pmol/L - range 9.p-21.0
Serum TSH level 1.32mU/L - range 0.20-5.00

VITIMIN D
Vitimin d 32nmol/L - range 25-170

TESTOSTERONE
Serum sex hormone binding globulin level 44.9nmol/L - range 17.00-56.0

Serum testosterone 16.70nmol/L - range 8.60-29.00

Calculated free testosterone 286pmol/L - range 200-620

[hollowedzeus]

My second bloodwork a couple of months later. Stopped keto pretty quickly after my last blood work. Diet consited of roughly 200p 350c 60f. Was super nice to the nurse and she allowed test to be tested again.

However i did not realise i was getting the appointment straight away. I did hsve oats immediedly before leaving the house... i do not know how much this would effect sex hormones. Ive heard it shouldnt but i am unsure.

Edit
FBC
haemoglobin estimation - 15.2g/dl range -13.5-18

Mean corpuscular volume 94.2fl range 80-100

Platelet count315x10^9/l range 140-450

Total white vlood count 7x10^9/l range 4-11

Neutrophil count 3.9x10^9/l range 2-7.5

Lymphocyte count 2.4x10^9/l range 1-4

Monocyte count 0.6x10^9/l range 0.2-0.8

Eosinophil count 0.1x10^9/L range 0-0.4

Basophil count 0x10^9/L range 0-0.1

Rbc 4.98x10^12/L range 4.50-6.50

Haemocrit 0.469l/l range 0.400- 0.540

Mean corpuse haemoglobin 30.5pg range - 27-32

Mean corpuse hb conc32.4g/dl range- 32-36

Red blood cell distribution width 13.1% range - 11-16

Nucleated red blood cell count 0.01x10^9/L


LIVER FUNCTION
Serum albumin - 50g/L - range 35-50
Serum alkaline phosphatase 91U/L - range 65-210
Serum alanine aminotransferase level 67U/L - range 5-55
Serum bilirubin 7umol/L - range 0-20

UREA AND ELECTROLYTES
Serum bicarbonate 29mmol/L - range 22-29
Serum chloride 98mmol/L - range 95-108
Serum creatinine 89umol/L - range 71-123
Estimated EGFR >59
Serum urea level 4.1mmol/L - range 2.5-7.8


TESTOSTERONE
Serum sex hormone binding globulin level 21.8nmol/L - range 17.00-56.0

Serum testosterone 9.40nmol/L - range 8.60-29.00

Calculated free testosterone 228pmol/L - range 200-620

[canadian77]

I can't read those. The pictures are too small. Anyone else?

[hollowedzeus]

I can't read those. The pictures are too small. Anyone else?

No worries i will type them out for good measure

[hollowedzeus]

Just to end the beginning of this thread... ill explain what kind of things i experience...

I have experienced sexual disfuntion
Rare spontanious erections
Rare morning wood
Absolute zero sex drive
Very withdrawn from others generally
Slight anxiety sometimes.... (stimulants magnify this by 100000%)


I was thinking about it earlier and in regards to the sex drive, a way which i feel explains it perfectly... is that 1/3 of my body is working correctly....

Head and brain- not responding, i am not interested

Below the waist - not responding, probably would still have ed. Cialis is on its way as i type this

Heart- i know that when i see an attractive girl or someone i want to really like and win over... that i want to win them. I know i should be grafting and get fired in but it just doesnt compute... leaving me in a state where i just feel broken.


I told myself this was normal for me last year. Was never interested in sex with my ex. Always kept her happy so she didnt try anything with me.

I want this fixed. Now. But i am prepared to wait and do it sensibly

[kelkel]

No worries i will type them out for good measure

To small and even blurry when expanded.

[hollowedzeus]

To small and even blurry when expanded.

I edited them into my original post typed.

What are your immediate thoughts on these levels kel?

My next test will include lh fsh and e2

[kelkel]

Are your shbg numbers typed accurately? I ask as you went from near the top of the range to near the bottom.

[hollowedzeus]

Are your shbg numbers typed accurately? I ask as you went from near the top of the range to near the bottom.

Yes they are accurate. I was puzzled by this as my shbg halfed in the second test... yet my testosterone levels decreased

[kelkel]

Yes they are accurate. I was puzzled by this as my shbg halfed in the second test... yet my testosterone levels decreased

Quite odd. If nothing else changed med wise maybe the test was flawed?

[hollowedzeus]

Quite odd. If nothing else changed med wise maybe the test was flawed?

Very possible... i will no longer be doing blood tests through the nhs as they wont let me. So it will be different labs next time.

Also i Changed from 0 carbs to high carbs and a calorie restricion to a surplus... and my test decreases.... I was also suplementing with 50000iu of vit d per week and zma every night.

Cant wait to find out my lh and fsh values. In the nhs males dont need these to be drawn (yeah okay...)

What time frame would you reccomend waiting from my last test to get more drawn?

Also thank you for the assistance

[kelkel]

Cant wait to find out my lh and fsh values. In the nhs males dont need these to be drawn (yeah okay...)

What time frame would you reccomend waiting from my last test to get more drawn?

Also thank you for the assistance

Minimum 3 months. More if you can be patient. Really brilliant of the NHS to not utilize those tests.

[hollowedzeus]

Minimum 3 months. More if you can be patient. Really brilliant of the NHS to not utilize those tests.

Cheers. Will update when i get my bloods. Until then i shall suffer in silence

[kelkel]

Cheers. Will update when i get my bloods. Until then i shall suffer in silence

A wee bit of whining is acceptable.

[hollowedzeus]

Might as well get some practice in for next time im at the docs telling them that its destroying my life

Edit- it is a major inconveinence and kills me inside but im not for killing myself....yet

[hollowedzeus]

Going to order my blood tests tonight i think.
Dhea
Total test
Free test
Estridial
Lh
Fsh
Shbg
Free androgen index

Probably going to be around £150 all in all. Whatever.

Not as sure if im going to put myself on clomid as much now.
1. It will delay any further testing for months
2. Ive researched clomid as a form of trt and ive only seen a handfull of men who like it.. these guys seem to vouch for hcg monotheropy also... i dont know if i want it to raise my levels.. also ive heard of bad reactions to it. I dont know, ill see
3. If it were come to it i would rather test vs clomid

Ill keep you updated

[Quester]

HI Zeus,
You may want to add DHT, tsh, cortisol, CBC, liver function and a lipid panel. The first three are exploratory and the last three are needed if you decide to start some form of TRT. And make sure your supplement intake doesn't interfere with the collection of these values.

[hollowedzeus]

Hey man, how important is dht to be tested? Its £100 a test here in the place that im going with.
Ive never had cortisol checked, unsure of the price, i shall have a look.

Ive had tsh, lipids,cbc and liver function. The results of them are up above. Most of them are in range. I think my cholesterol is just a little high and a couple of the liver values are out i believe. Tsh is fine so i guess that rules out thyroid issues. Relating to right now.

I dont believe anything interferes with these values. I intermittently take d3 but i dont have much faith in it. I was taking 50000iu per week between 1st and 2nd blood tests and my total and free test decreased.

I hope there is something obviously wrong so i have an answer to be honest... like an lh of 10 or something.

Thankyou for your input as always quester

[hammerheart]

I don't see DHT to be of any peculiar importance in your situation, you can skip it just fine.

Heck I can get it done for £15 (20 eur).

[hollowedzeus]

Wish it was that cheap here.... i guess maybe dht could be relavent if too much testosterone is getting converted perhaps?
Leaving me with subnormal levels?

[hammerheart]

Wish it was that cheap here.... i guess maybe dht could be relavent if too much testosterone is getting converted perhaps?
Leaving me with subnormal levels?

How?

Even if you were to shutdown the 5-AR completely your levels gain would top at 15%, pretty much non-significant considering where you are at.

And you don't look high DHT at all lol.

If anything, your DHT is likely to be in range.

Some should secreted by testes directly also.

[hollowedzeus]

How?

Even if you were to shutdown the 5-AR completely your levels gain would top at 15%, pretty much non-significant considering where you are at.

And you don't look high DHT at all lol.

If anything, your DHT is likely to be in range.

Some should secreted by testes directly also.

I was merely hazarding a guess. Im very interested in this sort of field of research but relativly new to it.

I dont know if i should take that as a compliment or an insult hah! I still have all my hair on my head and very little facial hair so i guess thats a sign that all is well in the dht department

[hollowedzeus]

Tests paid for. Waiting on the kit coming in then im off to get the blood drawn.

Something interesting this weekend. Had my blood pressure tested multiple times as i have been on a course.
In a social/people situation - 160/90 ish consistently
On my own in the house without sitting trying to lower it 99/59

Calling possibly anxiety causing that

[hollowedzeus]

Blood test tuesday. Excited.

[Myers]

Following.

[macmathews]

On the wagon

Kyle

[hollowedzeus]

thanks guys

[ThisIsMyJamZ]

As others have said, don't have too much to add at the moment, but I'll be following this with interest. Best of luck!

[geezuschrist]

Just my two cents here.. they tried to put me on trt at 18 when my test level was 250-290 confirmed on multiple tests. The docs were dumbfounded at what was going on and kept asking if I had ever done aas. I had never in my life even thought about doing them or had ever done them before. So I took one shot back when I was 18 prescribed by a doc, but I didn't feel "right" about it. It was a pretty damn scary thought to be doing this forever and couldn't help but to think there was some other problem causing this. So I stopped after one shot and basically learned to live with my problem for 3 years. I finally came to a point and say fuck it I'm going to try this and see what happens. So I find a new doc that did at home weekly shots. In a month it's like I was a different person in 2 months it was crazy what testosterone did for me. My life totally changed from feeling better, to actually wanting girls again like I did when I was young. I couldn't believe I waited 3 years to feel good again. This isn't me telling you to get on trt but for me it got me my life back. I think you should really think long and hard about this, but for me I will never go back.

[hollowedzeus]

I can totally see where you are coming from, thanks for your input.

Id rather a shot for the rest of my life than feeling like this. Im not really a waiter tbh. I believe i can get trt. Most likely be easier privatly but i would like to go through the nhs since im already paying for it though tax.

I am getting lh and fsh and stuff testing tomorrow morning so we will see where it goes from there... if lh and fsh come back unremarkable my mind will be 100% set... since i still have the what if its not the right decision part in me...

Ive had multiple ultrasounds on my testicles - no tumours

I honestly just want to grab some test and start shooting it to feel better. Ive thought about it a couple of times but thats a road i dont really want to go down at this moment.

People will probably tell me to get over it. Im only 18 trt is stupid.

I feel like i need it. I want it. I may be wrong, i may be right. We will see how it goes.

I will not accept that my testosterone is normal. I specifically made my first appointment for blood tests because i suspected low testosterone.

Rant over... thanks grex

[geezuschrist]

I can totally see where you are coming from, thanks for your input.

Id rather a shot for the rest of my life than feeling like this. Im not really a waiter tbh. I believe i can get trt. Most likely be easier privatly but i would like to go through the nhs since im already paying for it though tax.

I am getting lh and fsh and stuff testing tomorrow morning so we will see where it goes from there... if lh and fsh come back unremarkable my mind will be 100% set... since i still have the what if its not the right decision part in me...

Ive had multiple ultrasounds on my testicles - no tumours

I honestly just want to grab some test and start shooting it to feel better. Ive thought about it a couple of times but thats a road i dont really want to go down at this moment.

People will probably tell me to get over it. Im only 18 trt is stupid.

I feel like i need it. I want it. I may be wrong, i may be right. We will see how it goes.

I will not accept that my testosterone is normal. I specifically made my first appointment for blood tests because i suspected low testosterone.

Rant over... thanks grex

Yessir! I know what it's like to be in your shoes and wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. I know it's a tough choice but for me it was life changing. I truly can't explain how different I am. From being all around happy, sex drive, just being what a young guy should be. Hey and the gainz aren't bad either ��
Best of luck to you in whatever you choose to do Zeus!

[hollowedzeus]

Thanks alot man, i appreciate your input. We will soon see the route i will be going down

Ill post up my results in a couple of days when i get them. Sitting outside the hospital with a red face because my blood pressure is through the roof trying to find this blood place.

[hollowedzeus]

Blood test 3 results
Attachment 170085

Attachment 170086

Pretty similar t levels to last one. Could someone comment on my lh and fsh?

Thanks guys

[hollowedzeus]

Dhea-s 8.330 umol/l 0.44-13.40
Fsh 2.47iu/l 1.50-12.4
Lh 4.57 iu/l 1.70-8.60
Testosterone 11.2 nmol/l 7.60 - 31.40
Free test 0.236nmol/l 0.30-1.00
Shbg 27.8nmol/l 16-55
Oestradial 52pmol/l 0-191.99

[hammerheart]

With Free T below range and low E2 an average LH means your hypothalamus doesn't care about T levels. To me it sounds much like idiopathic, tertiary hypogonadism.

Free T that low should also warrant you TRT if you seek it.

[hollowedzeus]

Thanks biz. I appreciate it. Unfortunate that theres nothing that shows an obvious cause...

My aim is on trt. Got a private appointment on the 23rd of august for a private clinic. Hoping for nebido.

I think im going to just suck it up and be paying for it. Perhaps try moving to the nhs in the future but my doctors didnt want anything to do with me atm. Im not 5 or 6nmol/l so im fine.

Ive read someone as low as 3nmol/l being rejected on the nhs.

I am looking into self castration for future reference

[hammerheart]

I am looking into self castration for future reference

I have a fetish for that.