TRT set up advice needed

[prenes]

Hello all,

Im mid 40s and my bloodwork a year ago showed that my T levels were 320 and my free T was near non existant. My dr didnt recommend TRT because I am a lifter and still have plenty of muscle mass. Well im looking to TRT anyway and I wanted to ask a few questions.

If I get on TRT would I need to consider HCG to be in the mix? A local has recommended that I take masteron as my antiester and provides a drying effect.

I know that is more of a cycle but is anyone following something like that while not cycling?

[Back In Black]

You should find a new Dr

http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...physician.html

And don't take advice from your local whatever he is.

[Sh0tsf1red]

Look for a new doctor

[kelkel]

Your doctor is a retard. I guess by following your doctors logic an AIDS patient wouldn't need medicine until they're emaciated.

[Youthful55guy]

Hello all,

Im mid 40s and my bloodwork a year ago showed that my T levels were 320 and my free T was near non existant. My dr didnt recommend TRT because I am a lifter and still have plenty of muscle mass. Well im looking to TRT anyway and I wanted to ask a few questions.

If I get on TRT would I need to consider HCG to be in the mix? A local has recommended that I take masteron as my antiester and provides a drying effect.

I know that is more of a cycle but is anyone following something like that while not cycling?

I would look the doctor in the eye and calmly say it looks like your fat enough, you don't need any additional food.

Regarding your need for HCG, I recommend everyone on TRT use HCG.

Regarding your AAS question, I have no experience with them (other than what I use for SHBG control), so I usually don't respond to folks using TRT as a supplement to bodybuilding (no judgement, just no experience).

[prenes]

I appreciate the reply. I told him that I know that i needed an antiester, tha'ts what he suggested. And that's why I wanted to see in the forums. I saw nothing about it here.

[kelkel]

If you end up needing an anti-estrogen (Arimidex) when on TRT then you take an anti-estrogen. There's no need to add in more AAS just because it has some minor estrogen suppressive qualities due to it being a DHT.

[Youthful55guy]

If you end up needing an anti-estrogen (Arimidex) when on TRT then you take an anti-estrogen. There's no need to add in more AAS just because it has some minor estrogen suppressive qualities due to it being a DHT.

Agree, I don't see any reason to use an AAS to control estrogen. Particularly when you don't even have E2 labs to show you need and an anti-estrogen (esterase inhibitor) with anatrozole (Arimidex) being the most common.

I strongly recommend you spend some time educating yourself about TRT before taking the plunge. There's much to learn and soooooo much misinformation out there, much of it perpetuated by bro-science and well meaning but uninformed friends. While this forum is one of the better, I see it all over this forum too. You need to read these posts with the understanding that guys here come from predominately two perspectives: 1) Those of us who are using TRT for medical purposes, and 2) Those who are using it as a method to take their AAS use to a higher level without a PCT cycle (they call if "Blast and Cruise"). I'm not passing judgement, it's just two very different perspectives with very different approaches. Those of us using TRT for medical reasons strive for a stable and sustainable lifetime protocol.

[kelkel]

I strongly recommend you spend some time educating yourself about TRT before taking the plunge. There's much to learn and soooooo much misinformation out there, much of it perpetuated by bro-science and well meaning but uninformed friends. While this forum is one of the better, I see it all over this forum too. You need to read these posts with the understanding that guys here come from predominately two perspectives: 1) Those of us who are using TRT for medical purposes, and 2) Those who are using it as a method to take their AAS use to a higher level without a PCT cycle (they call if "Blast and Cruise"). I'm not passing judgement, it's just two very different perspectives with very different approaches. Those of us using TRT for medical reasons strive for a stable and sustainable lifetime protocol.

I'm catagory 1a. I have the medical need (adenoma) but do cycle. But I never B & C'd ever. I actually didn't cycle for almost 20 years due to work, life, etc. Never stopped training or the lifestyle in general and continued to make gains, but didn't resume any cycling until retiring from one job, starting another then getting the tumor. Would love to know how long I had the tumor before it was diagnosed.

My main issue is the amounts kids do today. Some kids here that look like swimmers do cycles that are ridiculously large that some very advanced guys would not consider or need to do. And I think it's safe to say I'm relatively advanced. And most times they're doing it to look good for the beach or some other bullshit reason...

Rant over!

[ScotchGuard02]

Hello all,

Im mid 40s and my bloodwork a year ago showed that my T levels were 320 and my free T was near non existant. My dr didnt recommend TRT because I am a lifter and still have plenty of muscle mass. Well im looking to TRT anyway and I wanted to ask a few questions.

If I get on TRT would I need to consider HCG to be in the mix? A local has recommended that I take masteron as my antiester and provides a drying effect.

I know that is more of a cycle but is anyone following something like that while not cycling?

I'm late 50's and been on TRT for some time. I'm training for a show and I'm a bit leaner than my avatar at the moment. There is no way on earth an old man like me can look like this without gear, right? It isn't just the way I look. I have more energy, I can concentrate better, I still get wood in the mornings, I feel more motivated, I just feel more alive. TRT has been a wonderful, life changing experience in my life. Right now I'm taking 200mg/wk of Test and 150mg/wk of Mast along with 3iu/ed of HGH. This is a WONDERFUL combo to get lean and maintain musculature. I'm on .25mg/eod of Adex but not running HCG. Yeah, my nuts are the size of a pea so I'll get some HCG on my next order. Good luck.

[anoxicblaze]

Scotch guard: how long did it take to notice your nuts shrinking? I'm on week 9 and have noticed zero size difference. Does it take months of doing it for that to happen (75mgx2 per week I'm on)


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[ryobi1]

if you are going to self administer TRT, start low dose, max 100mgs a week, maybe lower, 80, and split
into 2 as recommended by many, definately have HCG, wouldnt worry too much about estrogen unless
yours is high naturally, but keep an AI on hand, arimidex is preferred, aromasin is another, but get
bloods done to determine the need

[anoxicblaze]

Why definitely take HCG? What if your balls look fine and you don't want kids? Why is it important at all? Especially as it can be taken at any time to 'wake them up' again.


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[kelkel]

Why definitely take HCG? What if your balls look fine and you don't want kids? Why is it important at all? Especially as it can be taken at any time to 'wake them up' again.


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If you don't care about your testicals then I agree, why bother. If you do care HCG mimics LH of which you have receptors throughout your body. It also keeps your testicals functioning and producing ITT and E. Whenever someone makes a statement like this I always wonder if there's any other body part they'd just let wither and lose function?

[anoxicblaze]

I'm interested to read other opinions on this. I assume they still work to some degree if they create sperm. I'm not an expert. I come here for info. Some people might not be cut out for the extra 14 injections a month either. It might affect their willingness to even do TRT at all to the point where they just quit. So I think it sometimes has to be proved to be strictly necessary.


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[Youthful55guy]

Why definitely take HCG? What if your balls look fine and you don't want kids? Why is it important at all? Especially as it can be taken at any time to 'wake them up' again.


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Many other glands in the body have LH receptors too. When LH goes to zero on TRT, it can potentially affect the other glands. We know for a fact that the adrenals, which are responsible for synthesizing a number of steroid hormones, have numerous LH receptors. We also know for a fact that the seminal vesicles, which produce the bulk of the ejaculate have LH receptors. I'm sure there are other tissues in the body with LH receptors, but I just don't feel the need to get on PubMed and do the research. I'm convinced enough already.

My personal experience is that without HCG to replace the LH signal, my ejaculate volume is about half of what it can be with a maintenance dose of LH and about half of what I recall it being in my younger days too. I believe this has a lot do with LH receptors in the seminal vesicles. I've also noticed that when I go off of HCG for an extended period of time (doesn't happen often), that my pre-ejaculate tends to dry up too. I'm normally a copious producer (I know TMI), but without HCG, I tend to produce very little. This has me convinced that the Cowpers gland also has LH receptors.

One can argue that you can replace the LH signal at the adrenals by taking supplemental pregnenolone and DHEA, and to a certain extent I believe it's true. Unfortunately, many states (including my own) are beginning to regulate these supplements as hormones and remove them from OTC sale. So where does that leave me?

Taking supplemental HCG is not the huge burden. We're talking about 3 injections a week with a 30G or 31G needle. I can't even feel a 31 G needle. Cost and availability is a factor to consider. You have to find a dependable supplier and/or secure a script. I recommend the latter, even at a higher cost as it is a more dependable supply (see my posting in the HUCOG string for recent experience).

[Youthful55guy]

I'm interested to read other opinions on this. I assume they still work to some degree if they create sperm. I'm not an expert. I come here for info. Some people might not be cut out for the extra 14 injections a month either. It might affect their willingness to even do TRT at all to the point where they just quit. So I think it sometimes has to be proved to be strictly necessary.


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I guess my opinion on that is that if they are not cut out for the injections, then they'll have to live with the consequences of their decisions. It's really not that difficult or complicated, you just have to be in the right mind set.

[kelkel]

Taking supplemental HCG is not the huge burden. We're talking about 3 injections a week with a 30G or 31G needle.

Or even two per week.

[ryobi1]

Or even two per week.

and SQ,, not the same as IM...very easy...same as insulin,...done daily...
if you can shoot Test...then its not gonna be a big deal injecting anything

[anoxicblaze]

Some people think taking HCG constantly for the rest of your life is abuse. They say a maximum of six weeks on, six weeks off is better. Search HCG abuse (what not to do with HCG) by ISARMS on YouTube.


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[almostgone]

Some people think taking HCG constantly for the rest of your life is abuse. They say a maximum of six weeks on, six weeks off is better. Search HCG abuse (what not to do with HCG) by ISARMS on YouTube.


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That is quite possibly one of the worst resources for information and I'm not referring to YouTube. Look to PubMed, accredited TRT/HRT physicians, even endocrinology journals such as this:
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/articl...opin-Maintains
The link I posted above is just an example, and not necessarily pertinent to TRT, but it gives you idea of what kind of reference material that generally is useful.
The person/group that put up the video you mentioned is not one I would trust with my health on any given day...ever.

[Back In Black]

Some people think taking HCG constantly for the rest of your life is abuse. They say a maximum of six weeks on, six weeks off is better. Search HCG abuse (what not to do with HCG) by ISARMS on YouTube.


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Isarms, lmfao.

In theory, abuse is taking anything that isn't (or more than is) prescribed.

Could argue that self medicating TRT is abuse, especially at higher dose than one typically 'needs'.

[kelkel]

Some people think taking HCG constantly for the rest of your life is abuse. They say a maximum of six weeks on, six weeks off is better. Search HCG abuse (what not to do with HCG) by ISARMS on YouTube.
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Well, some people are stupid. Every top doc in the TRT world recommends TRT, bar none. And whoever says "six weeks on, six weeks off" is again not too bright. When your body functions normally (without TRT) LH/FSH is produced all the time. Why then would it be prudent to mimic the bodies normal function with HCG and then stop it every six weeks? It makes no sense at all. That would be like saying people should cycle off TRT protocols. BTW, HCG Mono Therapy is actually a form of TRT.

[anoxicblaze]

What dosage would you advise? 250iu twice a week? Same time as T Injection for convenience?


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[Cuz]

Like others have said find a real hrt specialist. More expensive but well worth the bullshit you will save yourself. Took me 4 dr.s to find the right one.

[kelkel]

What dosage would you advise? 250iu twice a week? Same time as T Injection for convenience?


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That's what most do!