Which is better?!?!

[Richard Cabeza]

Hey guys I'm getting everything together for my next cycle and have been reading a lot about pramipexole and caber to keep prolactin levels down. I'm at a bit of a fork in the road as to which is the best choice, Pramipexole seems to be better and easily accessible but has side effects, caber is tried and true but for some reason harder for me to get right now. This cycle will be test e 300 mg a week, tren 200 maybe 300 mg week and anavar 50 mg ed for 4 weeks i know because of the tren i need to watch out for prolactin... if anyone can point me in the right direction or has any insight itd be greatly appreciated !

[Marcus G]

Hey guys I'm getting everything together for my next cycle and have been reading a lot about pramipexole and caber to keep prolactin levels down. I'm at a bit of a fork in the road as to which is the best choice, Pramipexole seems to be better and easily accessible but has side effects, caber is tried and true but for some reason harder for me to get right now. This cycle will be test e 300 mg a week, tren 200 maybe 300 mg week and anavar 50 mg ed for 4 weeks i know because of the tren i need to watch out for prolactin... if anyone can point me in the right direction or has any insight itd be greatly appreciated !

I've always found if estrogen is kept under control prolactin will follow. Saying that it's always good to be prepared. I prefer prami and don't experience harsh side effects like some say.

[Chicagotarsier]

I've always found if estrogen is kept under control prolactin will follow. Saying that it's always good to be prepared. I prefer prami and don't experience harsh side effects like some say.

Progestins boost the prolactins which then boost estrogen. Control the estrogen is one part of it. Prolactin in itself is a libido and erectile dysfunction not through estrogen production. You can avoid gyno via just controlling estrogen. You cannot control the major prolactin sides from prolactin itself via estrogen control. Just top of range prolactin is enough for most males to have decadik.

My last 8 week dance with tren had my progestins out of range 3x and prolactin top of range....estrogen perfect...no hardon at all. Two doses of dostinex and wood automatically. Week later no wood again...dostinex...wood automatically. Caber is a must imho.

[Richard Cabeza]

Lol fuck, i got 1 for prami and one for caber. Again im at a fork in the road, as far as my estro levels i actually reapond really well to arimidex so much so i almost crashed it on my last cycle, high estrogen isnt really an issue but thats not to say this cycle wont be different and I alwats want to be on the safe and prepared side of things.

[Marcus G]

Progestins boost the prolactins which then boost estrogen. Control the estrogen is one part of it. Prolactin in itself is a libido and erectile dysfunction not through estrogen production. You can avoid gyno via just controlling estrogen. You cannot control the major prolactin sides from prolactin itself via estrogen control. Just top of range prolactin is enough for most males to have decadik.

My last 8 week dance with tren had my progestins out of range 3x and prolactin top of range....estrogen perfect...no hardon at all. Two doses of dostinex and wood automatically. Week later no wood again...dostinex...wood automatically. Caber is a must imho.

I've only used prami once never needed it really but I said it good to have on hand

[eslim]

I personally know several people who run deca only cycles and they don't personally feel ant bad sides. They are not on an AI they don't do bloodwork either. Not in anyway advocating for that way but i do believe people clearly react to different substances much differently than others.

[Bio-Active]

I always keep a da on hand but have never needed it. I always run an ai and have run tren really high

[Bio-Active]

I personally know several people who run deca only cycles and they don't personally feel ant bad sides. They are not on an AI they don't do bloodwork either. Not in anyway advocating for that way but i do believe people clearly react to different substances much differently than others.

I would question if it's really deca then. Deca would shut down there test production leaving them feeling terrible

[Richard Cabeza]

I always keep a da on hand but have never needed it. I always run an ai and have run tren really high

I'll definitely be running arimidex through my cycle, I guess i got all caught up in seeing people swear by taking 1mg caber a week for preventative measures. My tren dose is going to be pretty tame compared to what I know a lot of guys are taking I just want to make sure i have all my bases covered you know? I found some caber so i'll just have that on hand i suppose and wait for blood work or a limp dick to tell me its time to take it haha

[Richard Cabeza]

I personally know several people who run deca only cycles and they don't personally feel ant bad sides. They are not on an AI they don't do bloodwork either. Not in anyway advocating for that way but i do believe people clearly react to different substances much differently than others.

Thats not really something I'd do, when I cycle i like to be as safe and as informed as possible. Too many serious consequences to fuck around and take shit blindly like that. People do react differently to different things but theres a reason there are certain practices that are a standard among guys who do this and like Bio said if those guys are taking real Deca theres no way they arent shutting themselves down and once test levels crash its a nightmare

[fit_deskjocky]

I'm not sure I'd be ready for Tren with it being your 2nd cycle. That's a big jump. Our cycles are running neck and neck and I'm not there yet. If you are set on it though I'd just run the Test/Deca cycle and hold off on the Tren for now. Anxious to see how you do on it though

[ghettoboyd]

Lol fuck, i got 1 for prami and one for caber. Again im at a fork in the road, as far as my estro levels i actually reapond really well to arimidex so much so i almost crashed it on my last cycle, high estrogen isnt really an issue but thats not to say this cycle wont be different and I alwats want to be on the safe and prepared side of things.

you really have to try them both and see which one you can tolerate imho...I get no side effects but great boners and orgasms when I use caber...and when I use perami I get unbelievably sick...I cant even use the tiniest dose of perami and not want to die... for others its the opposite...so good luck...

[Richard Cabeza]

I'm not sure I'd be ready for Tren with it being your 2nd cycle. That's a big jump. Our cycles are running neck and neck and I'm not there yet. If you are set on it though I'd just run the Test/Deca cycle and hold off on the Tren for now. Anxious to see how you do on it though

Yeah I know its big jump but last cycle i added the dbol, i was taking 600mg week test had great results, i feel as though i am pretty intuned with my body and with a pretty moderate dosage of tren ace i think if i do run into any issues im pretty safe to just take it out of the cycle increase test and just go from there. Its all a risk honestly but thats why i love this forum it allows me to be as educated as possible to make what i feel is a safe decision, well as safe as one can be lol your advice is good and honestly i probably should take it but im so intent at this point on it idk I just dont beat myself up thinking about the negatives or what ifs its all a bit of an experiment

[Richard Cabeza]

you really have to try them both and see which one you can tolerate imho...I get no side effects but great boners and orgasms when I use caber...and when I use perami I get unbelievably sick...I cant even use the tiniest dose of perami and not want to die... for others its the opposite...so good luck...

Thats what Im comung to see the more i research, its really just dependant on the person and really Im going to have to just try them both as you said. I think this time around Ill take caber, it seems to be the safer bet and if I have any issues then the next time around Prami it is

[ScotchGuard02]

You have have half dozen cycles under your belt before you run Tren. Try Test/Mast. That cycle leans me out and cuts me up. I tried both Prami and Caber. Hands down, I found Caber to be more effective.

[Richard Cabeza]

You have have half dozen cycles under your belt before you run Tren. Try Test/Mast. That cycle leans me out and cuts me up. I tried both Prami and Caber. Hands down, I found Caber to be more effective.

Ive actually been heavily considering mast over the tren, funny you brought that up. Im still in the air about it might postpone this cycle another month or so just until i get a firm grasp on the direction i want to go

[Couchlock]

Mast

[songdog]

Yeah I know its big jump but last cycle i added the dbol, i was taking 600mg week test had great results, i feel as though i am pretty intuned with my body and with a pretty moderate dosage of tren ace i think if i do run into any issues im pretty safe to just take it out of the cycle increase test and just go from there. Its all a risk honestly but thats why i love this forum it allows me to be as educated as possible to make what i feel is a safe decision, well as safe as one can be lol your advice is good and honestly i probably should take it but im so intent at this point on it idk I just dont beat myself up thinking about the negatives or what ifs its all a bit of an experiment

Bro it's not the I am in tuned with my body thing it's at this stage you don't need to bring out the big guns yet.WHY would you use Morphine for a headache when asprine would work.? Try listening too wat we teach instead of wat you think you need like you didn't need the Dbol on the 1st you are only going to grow so much on each cycle no matter wat you take.

[Richard Cabeza]

Bro it's not the I am in tuned with my body thing it's at this stage you don't need to bring out the big guns yet.WHY would you use Morphine for a headache when asprine would work.? Try listening too wat we teach instead of wat you think you need like you didn't need the Dbol on the 1st you are only going to grow so much on each cycle no matter wat you take.

Yeah i agree with you guys and i was jumping the gun a bit, im going to hold off in the tren do another test only cycle, and this time actually test only haha no dbol or anything and then ill add mast into the following cycle after this one maybe some anavar idk. My eyes got big, all this research and seeing results it ca n get you caught in this i want it i want it i want it type of mood, i had to pump my brakes and remember why i joined this forum and why i respect you guys opinions so much

[songdog]

Test will get you where you want to go around your 6th cycle then give tren a try.

[Jphunter]

Ive actually been heavily considering mast over the tren, funny you brought that up. Im still in the air about it might postpone this cycle another month or so just until i get a firm grasp on the direction i want to go

The prostate or the hairline do not enjoy masteron . Great compound , especially if your running high test dosages because the mast will keep your estrogen in check . Even though it's mild it is a DHT derived compound so I put masteron in the same catagory as winstrol . Unless your competing it really isn't a " bucket list " aas . But if your one of the lucky people that can handle DHT compounds it definately a better choice gen tren for your second run . I would run the mast P personally instead of the longer ester mast .

[kelkel]

You should just stick to test again and work harder on nutrition and training (everyone can.) If you do run tren I'd strongly suggest TRT dose test and no more than 200 Tren Ace. This way you'll learn exactly what tren does for and to you. Take precautions with your cholesterol(HDL) if you go this route.

[Richard Cabeza]

You should just stick to test again and work harder on nutrition and training (everyone can.) If you do run tren I'd strongly suggest TRT dose test and no more than 200 Tren Ace. This way you'll learn exactly what tren does for and to you. Take precautions with your cholesterol(HDL) if you go this route.

Yeah Kel, i was getting big eyes and getting waaaay ahead of myself. Gonna stick to test and just really hammer this cycle home, last cycle actually went really well and i guess thats where the want is coming from to add more i got caught in that crazy thinking of well if that went so good imagine if i add this lol .... im over it now, been crazy busy with life and a test only cycle seems much more manageable at this point ... always intended to run 200 mg tren ace anyway so your comment really hammered that home for me and when i do run it thatll be the dosage, but thats in the distant future for sure


I appreciate everyones advice and really am glad to be a part of this community honestly, i know ive been a little inactive lately but that doesnt mean im not reading and researching and taking the advice. Just hard to find free time these days