Originally Posted by
Youthful55guy
I wouldn't be so quick to ditch the Sustanon, it can still be used for TRT with the right dosing. You just have to understand what's in it and how it compares to T-cyp, which is pretty much the standard in the USA.
The problem with comparing ester doses is that they have variable amounts of molecular T due varying chain lengths and molecular weights of the ester component of the drug. Therefore, you need to calculate the total molecular T in the dose and then use that to guide dosing of the stuff you have. Most guys do well on 100 to 120 mg T-cyp divided into twice weekly or E3D dosing (my favorite). Since T-cyp is about 68% molecular T (32% ester), each mL of 200mg/mL T-cyp delivers about 136 mg molecular T which is slowly released over about a weeks time. The following are the calculations for the amount of molecular T in a mL of Sustannon. As you can see, it has a slightly higher percent molecular T per mL, but the release kinetics are different than T-cyp.
Sustanon 250 is a blend of four esterized testosterone compounds:
30 mg testosterone propionate: 30 X .80 = 24 mg molecular T
60 mg testosterone phenylpropionate: 60 X 0.66 = 39.6 mg molecular T
60 mg testosterone isocaproate; 60 X 0.72 = 43.2 mg molecular T
100 mg testosterone decanoate: 100 X 0.62 = 62.0 mg molecular T
TOTAL MOLECULAR T PER ML = 24 + 39.6 + 43.2 + 60 = 166.8 mg T/mL
The idea behind frequent dosing is that it takes the emphasis off of the half-life of the ester because you are continually supplementing the ester and after a certain point you will reach pretty much a steady state of T in you blood. So let's say you decide to proceed with twice weekly dosing of Sustanon, here's how I would approach dosing.
Since most guys do well at a starting dose of 50 mg T-cyp twice weekly, that equates to about 50 X 68% = 34 mg molecular T twice weekly.
1 mL of Sustanon delivers about 167 mg molecular T, so 34 mg /167 mg/mL = 0.2 mL to get the same dose of molecular T
Therefore, start out at 0.2 mL and see how you feel in about 4-6 weeks. My normal advice would be to repeat labs, but given you location you may need to do this by "feel". If you feel the need for more, you can probably take the dose up to about 0.25 mL twice weekly, which would be slightly more what most guys need for TRT, but the dose is not as outrageous as some doses I see guys on in this and other forums.
The tricky thing is that you want to make sure E2 does not go out of range, but without labs that's going to be difficult. I hesitate to recommend that you start right away on anastrozole because without labs, you can easily dive your E2 too low and that may cause other issues (major ED for one thing). I've seen posts from some guys that claim that they can dose their anastrozole by their ability to rub out an erection but I'm not totally convinced it's a reliable method. Personally, I have noticed that when my E2 is in range, I can easily get nipple erections with certain activities but that's just a very subjective observation. It also does not tell you if/when E2 goes too high, just too low.
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