Running first cutting cycle.

[BryanO]

Hey guys, new to the site. I have ran a bulking cycle before but this will be my first cutting cycle. A buddy of mine told me to run Test E and Tren with Var for 8 weeks. I am 5'10 190lbs.

Test E:
Week 1-2: 250mg
Week 3-8: 500mg

Tren E:
Week 1-2: 200mg
Week 3-8: 400mg

Not sure how to take the Var yet. For PCT i was going to run Arimidex with clomid and HCG.

Debating swapping the Test E for Sus but not sure on the differences.

Any help and tips is greatly appreciated!

[David LoPan]

You are 23, 5 10 and 190. That is a little young for running a tren cycle. What is your BF? Cycle history? But just looking at that cycle alone that is not the best cycle for cutting. I bet that you could get the same results with hard work in the gym and in the kitchen at your age.

[BryanO]

I could and I do that at the moment. Eating right and going to the gym but I want to do a cycle to speed up the process. I did a 6 week sus cycle before but that’s it.

[Clove1234]

Don’t cut, bulk

[BryanO]

I’ve been bulking naturally for a while now. What do you recommend?

[Clove1234]

Well based on your stats and cycle history. It seems like you have some size to gain. Do 12weeks test @ 500mg a week. Pct is comprised of nolva(tomixifen) and the clomid you already have. Arimidex is not for pct, but should be run up until you start it.

If you are going to do that i would recommend doing .25mg Arimidex eod to start.

[BryanO]

So run Arimidex during my cycle until I start the pct? I’m only going for an 8 week cycle this time around so should i stick with 500mg a week of test? Can I stack it with Var?

[Mooseman33]

you need to slow down and learn what you are taking.
Please do not just take a cycle because someone on the internet told you it was good.

Learn what you are doing, like why you should not do a 8 week cycle of test E.
Like why you should not PCT with adex.

keep rushing into this and you will be back here saying you got shit results and dick not working.
slow down little brother, spend some time around here, learn what you are doing as you are altering your body chemistry.

[BryanO]

This is why I’m asking for advice and just reading the different input I’m getting. I’m not going to jump into the first comment I see but I will ask that person to elaborate on why they think that’s a good cycle. Not rushing this at all especially knowing what a bad cycle can do to the human body. I’m gathering as much info as I possibly can before making an educated decision

[BryanO]

you need to slow down and learn what you are taking.
Please do not just take a cycle because someone on the internet told you it was good.

Learn what you are doing, like why you should not do a 8 week cycle of test E.
Like why you should not PCT with adex.

keep rushing into this and you will be back here saying you got shit results and dick not working.
slow down little brother, spend some time around here, learn what you are doing as you are altering your body chemistry.

This is why I’m asking for advice and just reading the different input I’m getting. I’m not going to jump into the first comment I see but I will ask that person to elaborate on why they think that’s a good cycle. Not rushing this at all especially knowing what a bad cycle can do to the human body. I’m gathering as much info as I possibly can before making an educated decision. Would you mind explaining why an 8 week cycle wouldn’t work? I wanna weigh my
Options correctly

[fit_deskjocky]

This is why I’m asking for advice and just reading the different input I’m getting. I’m not going to jump into the first comment I see but I will ask that person to elaborate on why they think that’s a good cycle. Not rushing this at all especially knowing what a bad cycle can do to the human body. I’m gathering as much info as I possibly can before making an educated decision

If I may tell you why an 8 week Test E alone cycle is a waste, besides the stacking of Tren E. You need to understand your esters. Enanthate takes up to 14 days to breakdown. During a typical cycle of Test-E, you will not fully reap the benefits until week 5-6 typically, that's when it will kick for most people. Therefore by the time your Test levels are peaked at week 5-6 you are only getting 2-3 weeks at those levels before you PCT. Coupled with the fact you are taking a half dose for the first 2 weeks anyway. Even with your previous 6 week Sust cycle you didn't reach your full stride before coming off. Then you are throwing in a compound like Tren, with an Enanthate ester at that, you have no idea how your body will react to the base compound of Test-E alone, but throw in Tren and you could have some serious issues and not know which compound you need to drop that is giving you the issues. Then it is Tren Enanthate so if you do encounter issues and drop the Tren, you will have to wait 2 weeks for those symptoms to go away. Look up side effects of Tren and ask yourself, do you really want to experience these for 2 weeks even though you want to quit? You have to do your research before trying any of this, do go in half-cocked.

[AlphaMindz]

Yeah I think you're on the right track bro in the sense that you're asking questions and listening to feedback. I agree that 8 weeks of Test E is a waste. IMO one should run it 15 weeks (3 bottles at 2cc's a week).

Keep in mind that cutting or bulking is largely influenced by your diet and not as much by compounds. Yes, some compounds are more common to take while already lean or getting lean because they bring out definition and muscle separation, but ultimately if your bf isn't low enough you're not really going to see that benefit. This statement refers to steroids, not drugs like Clen or T3...

Tren does have properties of nutrient partitioning and speeding up fat metabolism so it's a great compound to use when cutting, but it can also be amazing to run while bulking....depending on your diet and training regimen.
Since you're so new to this and have only run a Test only cycle, I would not recommend using Tren right now. Most people report a lot of side effects with Tren and it is definitely a more advanced compound and has a significant effect on ones mood. I don't think you have enough experience with steroids to properly handle the side effects of Tren. Plus, you can make great gains without it, just running Test and keeping your diet on point and training like a beast!

May I suggest training with high volume and intensity with cardio 3 times a week while running Test and eating a clean diet and I guarantee you make lean gains and lose bf....Save Tren for later down the road when Test isn't doing much for you anymore.

[BryanO]

If I may tell you why an 8 week Test E alone cycle is a waste, besides the stacking of Tren E. You need to understand your esters. Enanthate takes up to 14 days to breakdown. During a typical cycle of Test-E, you will not fully reap the benefits until week 5-6 typically, that's when it will kick for most people. Therefore by the time your Test levels are peaked at week 5-6 you are only getting 2-3 weeks at those levels before you PCT. Coupled with the fact you are taking a half dose for the first 2 weeks anyway. Even with your previous 6 week Sust cycle you didn't reach your full stride before coming off. Then you are throwing in a compound like Tren, with an Enanthate ester at that, you have no idea how your body will react to the base compound of Test-E alone, but throw in Tren and you could have some serious issues and not know which compound you need to drop that is giving you the issues. Then it is Tren Enanthate so if you do encounter issues and drop the Tren, you will have to wait 2 weeks for those symptoms to go away. Look up side effects of Tren and ask yourself, do you really want to experience these for 2 weeks even though you want to quit? You have to do your research before trying any of this, do go in half-cocked.

I really appreciate you taking your time to explain this man! It entirely makes sense now. For someone like me. You recommend a 12 week cycle of Test E or for best results then? Also can I stack with something mild like Var?

[BryanO]

Yeah I think you're on the right track bro in the sense that you're asking questions and listening to feedback. I agree that 8 weeks of Test E is a waste. IMO one should run it 15 weeks (3 bottles at 2cc's a week).

Keep in mind that cutting or bulking is largely influenced by your diet and not as much by compounds. Yes, some compounds are more common to take while already lean or getting lean because they bring out definition and muscle separation, but ultimately if your bf isn't low enough you're not really going to see that benefit. This statement refers to steroids, not drugs like Clen or T3...

Tren does have properties of nutrient partitioning and speeding up fat metabolism so it's a great compound to use when cutting, but it can also be amazing to run while bulking....depending on your diet and training regimen.
Since you're so new to this and have only run a Test only cycle, I would not recommend using Tren right now. Most people report a lot of side effects with Tren and it is definitely a more advanced compound and has a significant effect on ones mood. I don't think you have enough experience with steroids to properly handle the side effects of Tren. Plus, you can make great gains without it, just running Test and keeping your diet on point and training like a beast!

May I suggest training with high volume and intensity with cardio 3 times a week while running Test and eating a clean diet and I guarantee you make lean gains and lose bf....Save Tren for later down the road when Test isn't doing much for you anymore.

I’ve already been dieting for about 2 weeks and incorporated about 20 minutes of cardio a day. So leave cardio to 3 times a week? How long you recommend I run Test and how many mg a week ?

[BryanO]

So leave it to Test E by itself. Is adding var to this beneficial? Any issues with running Arimidex towards the end of the cycle? Lastly, for PCT is clomid with HCG fine? Sorry for all the questions lol, trying to get as much info as possible

[ThatGuy82]

So leave it to Test E by itself. Is adding var to this beneficial? Any issues with running Arimidex towards the end of the cycle? Lastly, for PCT is clomid with HCG fine? Sorry for all the questions lol, trying to get as much info as possible

Def listen to what they're saying about holding off on the tren, and all these questions you just asked can all be answered by doing a little reading my man. The sticky posts will answer all about tren, first cycle, AI (Arimidex), HCG, PCT etc... Good luck in your research and be safe!

[ScotchGuard02]

Are you still 23 or is that stat old?

[BryanO]

Are you still 23 or is that stat old?

Still 23

[BryanO]

Yeah I was gonna look in the PCT forum for that. Just wanted to be sure what to run as far as compound for the cycle but thanks for the help my man!

[fit_deskjocky]

I'm glad we atleast talked you off the ledge on the Tren. Many on here will also advise you to wait a couple more years until 25 before cycling. The thing is at 23, unless the 6 week Sust cycle screwed your Testosterone levels up permanently, then your Test should be running pretty high naturally without the need of hormones. You still have a few years of growing naturally before you need any AAS.

[BryanO]

It might’ve honestly. I didn’t properly PCT after it and that was over a year ago

[fit_deskjocky]

You should get bloodwork done to see where your levels are at, which would help you make some decisions once you know more.

[BryanO]

I had some done a while after the cycle and it came back normal. Can’t tell you the numbers as I don’t remember them but my doc didn’t tell me anything was out whack

[BryanO]

I’ve done some reading on different forums and I’ve seen a few saying to run aromasin or Arimidex for the length of the cycle primarily for the testicles or should only be used if there’s any shrinkage or libidido issues?

The other thing I’m confused about is the usage of HCG. Some say to use during your entire cycle, others say to use during the last 4 weeks and others say strictly as part of the pct? Which is the best route for someone on their second cycle?

[redz]

Definitely sounds like you need to educate yourself. There’s a lot wrong here.

[swollafghan]

are you currently on anything?

damn i cant give you any useful info cause im under 25 posts but i know my stuff! :/

[ghettoboyd]

are you currently on anything?

damn i cant give you any useful info cause im under 25 posts but i know my stuff! :/

why can't you say it on the open forum what secret info do you have that can only be shared privately?...

[swollafghan]

The forum doesn’t allow it when I click summit, it says I’m under 25 posts lol

[swollafghan]

why can't you say it on the open forum what secret info do you have that can only be shared privately?...

The forum won’t allow me to post it when I click post

[musclestack]

The forum won’t allow me to post it when I click post

Then how did you just post that ^^^?

[BryanO]

are you currently on anything?

damn i cant give you any useful info cause im under 25 posts but i know my stuff! :/

No I’m not on anything right now

[kelkel]

The forum doesn’t allow it when I click summit, it says I’m under 25 posts lol

Try "submit" then instead of summit. Works better.

The forum won’t allow me to post it when I click post

Then how did you just post that ^^^?

^^Hysterical......

[fit_deskjocky]

I had some done a while after the cycle and it came back normal. Can’t tell you the numbers as I don’t remember them but my doc didn’t tell me anything was out whack

If you had bloodwork done right after your cycle, your test would show heightened Test Levels but maybe within the range of a normal 23 year old, the range is pretty wide (300-1200). But should drop and return to your typical levels awhile after your PCT. Which is why The Successful First Cycle Sticky recommends BW 6 weeks after PCT. This will show if you are recovering. With you having no PCT on your previous cycle, though only a 6 week you have no idea what your typical and natural levels are and the one you had from your doctor may not be a good indication of where you are at now.

[fit_deskjocky]

I’ve done some reading on different forums and I’ve seen a few saying to run aromasin or Arimidex for the length of the cycle primarily for the testicles or should only be used if there’s any shrinkage or libidido issues?

The other thing I’m confused about is the usage of HCG. Some say to use during your entire cycle, others say to use during the last 4 weeks and others say strictly as part of the pct? Which is the best route for someone on their second cycle?

Keep researching. Somehow you researched Aromasin and Arimidex and came away with that it is used to keep the boys working and full and that is quite a bit off what the use of those are for. We can't spoon feed you but will steer you in the right direction but you are going to have to put in the work

[BryanO]

Keep researching. Somehow you researched Aromasin and Arimidex and came away with that it is used to keep the boys working and full and that is quite a bit off what the use of those are for. We can't spoon feed you but will steer you in the right direction but you are going to have to put in the work

Yeah I’ve continued researching. I’m gonna implement 250iu HCG twice a week for the boys and I read one a very good post in this forum to do 0.25 Arimidex EOD to prevent any form of Gyno and dose accordingly since it’s a longer cycle

[fit_deskjocky]

Yeah I’ve continued researching. I’m gonna implement 250iu HCG twice a week for the boys and I read one a very good post in this forum to do 0.25 Arimidex EOD to prevent any form of Gyno and dose accordingly since it’s a longer cycle

Did your's shrink any while on your Sust cycle? When were you on that cycle and how long off?

[BryanO]

Did your's shrink any while on your Sust cycle? When were you on that cycle and how long off?

6 weeks and not at all and I’ve been off for over a year

[fit_deskjocky]

6 weeks and not at all and I’ve been off for over a year

Then don't worry about the HCG, it's a little late and should be recovered by now from a 6 week cycle. If yours didn't shrink any during the cycle then you are good. Mine shrink by 30% after the 1st week so using 500ius a week of HCG while on cycle for me is needed. It effects me psychologically when the boys take a hit

[BryanO]

Then don't worry about the HCG, it's a little late and should be recovered by now from a 6 week cycle. If yours didn't shrink any during the cycle then you are good. Mine shrink by 30% after the 1st week so using 500ius a week of HCG while on cycle for me is needed. It effects me psychologically when the boys take a hit

I read in a few places that you should HCG for long cycles (12 weeks+) that way you keep them normal size and working through the cycle and don’t need to get them back up at the end

[AlphaMindz]

I’ve already been dieting for about 2 weeks and incorporated about 20 minutes of cardio a day. So leave cardio to 3 times a week? How long you recommend I run Test and how many mg a week ?

When cutting I prefer to do cardio 3 times per week for 45 mins at a time. But my diet is also on point. You may need to burn more calories to drop bf so in that case you may benefit from doing it everyday for shorter duration. There's no right or wrong way IMO just what works for you and what doesn't..