HGH worth the money?

[Creasy_Bear]

Alright just a heads up this isn’t my first cycle. This will be my 5th cycle I’m 28 been lifting for years. However this next cycle is the heaviest I’ve run.

Weeks 1-12
500mg Test Cyp /WK
(last 2 weeks tapered down to ween off)

Weeks 1-12
300mg EQ /Wk
(last 2 weeks tapered down to ween off)

Weeks 1-5
40mg DBOL /DY

Weeks 5-7
300mg Tren A /WK

Weeks 7-9
300mg Masteron /WK

Weeks 9-12
30mg Anavar /DY


I have a Diet plan I stick to on cycle that works for me and I change my training reg up every 4 weeks when on cycle.

I usually only stack

Test, Tren, and Mast
Or
Test, Deca, Dbol

This time I’m adding it all together for short periods of time and throwing Anavar into the mix at the end for the first time.


The doses for the cycle I’m prepping for aren’t high by any means but it is my most stacked cycle to date. The only question I’m debating on is if HGH is worth adding into this cycle? Is it too much for one cycle for someone who’s not a pro. This is my 5th cycle and have trained for years I currently sit at 5’11” 195lbs...

IS HGH WORTH ADDING ON TOP OF THIS CYCLE?
that’s my question here. I have a reliable source I’ve used for years. I’m already running a lot of compounds this cycle and I never start a cycle without having PCT already on hand so I’m gonna fork out a lot of cash at once for this cycle. Is HGH worth it? I ask here simply because none of the guys I work with nor myself have messed with growth at all. So I have no reference to go off of.
Any help you guys have to offers is appreciated. I’m always open to criticism. Just trying to get better.

[Quester]

Much of the benefit of HGH is due to its ability to increase IGF-1. Because you listed so many substances, it is hard to think that you'll need that property.

[Windex]

12 Weeks of HGH is not really going to accomplish much. It needs to be run for 4-6+ months before you start getting benefits with respect to bodybuilding. Unless you have a lot of disposable income it's really not worth the money on top of it being arguably the most faked compound. A reliable UGL source for steroids doesn't really mean the HGH they sell is also legit.


Some members here have had success with some Non-pharma options but those are on a referral only basis as far as I understand.

[Mr. Small]

Btw.....your cycle is all over the place.

[Windex]

Btw.....your cycle is all over the place.

Agreed.

- Drop EQ

- Pick 1 oral or none

- 1 or 2 compounds with test for the whole cycle duration


Test/Tren/Mast and Test/Deca/Dbol are as good as it's going to get for compounds. If you are 4 cycles in and not getting the results using these two combinations something is being done wrong or there is a piece of the puzzle missing.


What is your body fat % at 195 lbs and what are your goals ?

What do you change between your on cycle and off cycle diet ?

Can you elaborate on changing your training every 4 weeks? How are you tracking progress by changing routine so often ?

[ScotchGuard02]

At 28 and with the cycle you're proposing, you don't need HGH. HGH isn't a "cycle" compound. You get on and stay on for as long as you can get your wife to pay for it. LOL

[Dannyboy51577]

Agreed.

- Drop EQ

- Pick 1 oral or none

- 1 or 2 compounds with test for the whole cycle duration


Test/Tren/Mast and Test/Deca/Dbol are as good as it's going to get for compounds. If you are 4 cycles in and not getting the results using these two combinations something is being done wrong or there is a piece of the puzzle missing.


What is your body fat % at 195 lbs and what are your goals ?

What do you change between your on cycle and off cycle diet ?

Can you elaborate on changing your training every 4 weeks? How are you tracking progress by changing routine so often ?

I gotta disagree on a bit on running one oral or none. I get some pretty good results when i swap orals for different reasons. Theres a good synergy for example with var and winny, and when i choose to run multiple orals, i alternate between anadrol and winny in the same cycle. How i do it depends on what other compounds im running but i have run them on alternating 2wk schedules and gotten some very good results.

He didnt say of he was getting good results from previous cycles or not so for discussion purposes ill assume he was getting the desired results previously.

I wouldnt say the cycle is all over the place, just maybe needs a little tweaking. I would agree to drop the eq, it is of no help and a waste of an injection. No need to ween off test. Run it at your desired dose the entire length of cycle. And i would strongly suggest running your mast and tren together. Im guessing the mast is prop.

I think you will enjoy it a bit better if you run the dbol 1-4, tren and mast 4-12, then of you want to add in the anavar for last 2 wks go ahead. Keep your test the same throughout.

I tend to get good results when switching compounds within a cycle. I do run the same compounds an entire cycle here and there but not very often. My body seems to get a jump start when i swap compounds maybe midway through, even if they are similar compounds or intended to do the same thing.

You came to ask about hgh - which i would agree is a waste to bother unless 6 months or better. You have enough compounds to do the heavy lifting. You said your diet and training work for you so i wont get into that.

Just my .02

[Windex]

I gotta disagree on a bit on running one oral or none. I get some pretty good results when i swap orals for different reasons. Theres a good synergy for example with var and winny, and when i choose to run multiple orals, i alternate between anadrol and winny in the same cycle. How i do it depends on what other compounds im running but i have run them on alternating 2wk schedules and gotten some very good results.

He didnt say of he was getting good results from previous cycles or not so for discussion purposes ill assume he was getting the desired results previously.

I wouldnt say the cycle is all over the place, just maybe needs a little tweaking. I would agree to drop the eq, it is of no help and a waste of an injection. No need to ween off test. Run it at your desired dose the entire length of cycle. And i would strongly suggest running your mast and tren together. Im guessing the mast is prop.

I think you will enjoy it a bit better if you run the dbol 1-4, tren and mast 4-12, then of you want to add in the anavar for last 2 wks go ahead. Keep your test the same throughout.

I tend to get good results when switching compounds within a cycle. I do run the same compounds an entire cycle here and there but not very often. My body seems to get a jump start when i swap compounds maybe midway through, even if they are similar compounds or intended to do the same thing.

You came to ask about hgh - which i would agree is a waste to bother unless 6 months or better. You have enough compounds to do the heavy lifting. You said your diet and training work for you so i wont get into that.

Just my .02

I appreciate the input. I could see how Anavar and Winny could go together. To me, Dbol and Anavar though are on opposite side of the spectrum.

I do agree to have a consistent Test dose.

The reason I think the cycle is all over the place is because

(1) Mixing multiple long and short estered compounds

(2) Dianabol followed by Masteron. There's going to be some water retention from the Dianabol and generally Masterons desired effect is the "hardness" effect. The two compounds seem counterproductive to one another.

(3) 300mg of Tren means Dostinex will be required. Im not sure how the body would cope when in the middle of a cycle you add in a very strong steroid plus Dostinex only to drop it 14 days later. Just my own opinions

[Dannyboy51577]

I appreciate the input. I could see how Anavar and Winny could go together. To me, Dbol and Anavar though are on opposite side of the spectrum.

I do agree to have a consistent Test dose.

The reason I think the cycle is all over the place is because

(1) Mixing multiple long and short estered compounds

(2) Dianabol followed by Masteron. There's going to be some water retention from the Dianabol and generally Masterons desired effect is the "hardness" effect. The two compounds seem counterproductive to one another.

(3) 300mg of Tren means Dostinex will be required. Im not sure how the body would cope when in the middle of a cycle you add in a very strong steroid plus Dostinex only to drop it 14 days later. Just my own opinions

I know what you are saying. And i used to think the same before i started to look into different combos and think about them a little differently.

Alot has to do with an individuals body and how they react to different drugs and chemicals. If his ai protocol is good and estrogen is in the green, theres not much difference in adding tren and caber at wk 1 or wk 5.

I know the general idea of mast is a hardening compound. But really, that only applies to guys who are competitors orr super lean. Alot of the guys running it including myself dont use it in that way. I run mast with deca at times. Im 6'3 240 lbs, no way im using it for hardening. I use it because it has positive offsetting effects on 19 nors, and does a great job increasing free test. Similar to if i were to use proviron.

I know theres traditional knowledge and thoughts that look at sone of these ideas as counterproductive. But one of my favorites is a 14 wk test/deca/mast or test/dbol/deca run, then cap it off with 4 or 6 wks of a test/winny/var or test/winny/var/mast. It may look goofy but it works really well for me. I get the benefit of a good long bulk, then can drop the water and some of the fat toward the end. It requires some liver care, but other than my lipids, ive kept most of my levels in range and lipids come back to normal after about 2 months or so of being off the winny. It looks odd to someone that prefers traditional uses and cycles, but findimg out what works for the individual is important. Theres no one size fits all. Just perspective