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How’s it going? My name is Levi. I’m 26, will be 27 in 12 days. I’ve been on my fitness journey for about 8 years now. I use to be 300 lbs in high school, obese, and unhappy. I finally, my senior year decided to lose weight and now sit at a good 200 solid lbs. I’ve finally decided to delve into my first cycle. I have 40 mL of test c, 10 mL of deca, 60 10mg winstrol capsules, and arimidex for my pct for a 12 week cycle. Does anyone have any suggestions? I plan to begin my cycle in a few days.
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Welcome, LeviYour thread was moved to the Q&A section to give you better feedback.
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Also, you don't want arimidex for your PCT.
I recommend you do a little reading in the following thread:
https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...rst-cycle.html
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That is amazing information. My only problem now is finding a reputable source to purchase Clomid. Honestly I’d also like to purchase Caper to have on hand in case of the Deca getting to me even though I’ll be doing such a low dose.Originally Posted by almostgone
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If you read that thread you know you should be running test only and looking for nolvadex as well as Clomid.
Go see the source you got the rest of your gear from.
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I wouldn't use deca for a first cycle, for one it's important to know how you react to each compound, and if you use more than one then you won't know which causes what (either negative or positive effects).
The second reason, which might be even more important, is that deca stays in your system for a long ass time and it can slow down the recovery of your natural T production after the cycle.
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You are being WAY too ambitious with your first cycle. And you need to do a little more reading. Arimidex is an AI, not a PCT.
Most will say it's best to run test only for a first cycle, and I agree. You take too many things and something goes wrong, you'll have no clue what's causing it unless you know how each individual compound affects you from experience. Just slow your role a little, get more info, and be patient. I'm 28 and getting ready to start my first cycle in 1-2 months. I promise, you've got time. More time than me haha.
And deca is a hell of a drug. You need to know 110% of everything about it before you jump into something like that. I don't plan on ever touching it myself. Then again, 2 years ago I didn't ever plan on cycling so....
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I’m able to pick up nolvadex, but my supplier does not have clonid unfortunately. I have decided to take the suggestion from you guys and just hold on to the vial of Deca for now for a potential later use. I’ll still be using the Winstrol though.
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Orals are poison just so you know. They are hard on your liver and your GI, you'll notice your appetite goes to shit with them. Test only for a first cycle, it's your first cycle, your body will respond great to this new and novel stimuli.
Regarding clomid, there are legitimate online pharmacies that sell these kind of ancillaries. They are based in countries where they're operations are legal and they sell pharmaceutical grade stuff. Alldaychemist, inhousepharmacy and more.
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If you use the winstrol and get sore joints you will have no idea whether that is from the winstrol or E2 levels being out of whack. You don’t know how yet to control E2 on test which is why the advice is one new compound per cycle.
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You need to listen to the advice provided and scrap all the additional compounds and just run a simple Testosterone only cycle. Like BIB if/when you run into side effects, you won't know the source & dose. This will lead you to spend half your cycle correcting the side effects, effectively wasting your time, money, and failing.
You need to think long and hard about ever considering using Deca in the future. It is the hardest compound to recover from and shuts you down from the very first shot, regardless of the dose. If you aren't willing to accept the risk of ending up on Testosterone Replacement Therapy for the rest of your life by using Deca. Unless you are prepared to accept responsibility for that or you are making a career from bodybuilding, where it is your primary and/or only source of income then you should not use Deca.
On top of that, Nandrolone is detectable in drug testing for up to 17 months. That means, when you inject Deca, even just a single shot, you will test positive on a drug screening for up to the next 527 days.
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First cycle
500mg Test c/e MAX .. no higher
Have on hand hcg
Have an AI
10-12 weeks
Keep it simple , eat right , train hard and get bloods done before, mid and at the end of your cycle
If you have a brain you will listen to all the guys here that say stay away from multiple compounds
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Hey man I was in your spot just a few days ago. I wanted to run a complex first cycle (in my mind to get big gains and just hit the ground running) but after spending some time (hours upon hours actually) reading and learning from the experienced users here I decided to scrap that idea.
I would encourage you to take the advice already given. Check out the sticky on running a proper first cycle and follow it. We get to spend the rest of our lives living with our body and I think it’s better to play it safe so we can always run another cycle later and get more/keep our growth.
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Thank you everyone for the advice. I’m taking it. Took my first shot today, 250 mg of test c. Doing another in about 4 days. Tomorrow imma start with arimidex, and I’m torn between doing .5 mg every 3 days or the .25 every other day. I know everyone’s body responds differently. I have picked of nolvadex for my pct, and have found a few sites I think are reputable to purchase the clomid from. My diet has already been on point thanks to my trainer. I do appreciate all of the advice you all gave to help me decide to NOT destroy myself from the word Go.
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FYI I don’t start my Adex on a long Ester cycle for a couple of weeks and then run 0.25mg EOD.
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Next time you shouldn't start your cycle until you have everything in your hand. If something happens - back order, lost shipment, whatever the case may be you are shooting yourself in the foot by not waiting a couple of weeks to have everything you need before starting.
As well, trainers are a dime a dozen and in my opinion 99% don't know jack all about eating beyond the basics. I would still encourage you to post your diet up for review. If your nutrition isn't perfect you are going to feel very disappointed when you lost everything you gained 4-6 weeks after PCT.
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I see, I apologize. I will order clomid now to try and rectify this situation. As far as my meal plan, this is it below.
Meal 1: 1/2 cup egg whites
3/4 cup rolled oats
1 scoop optimum nutrition whey isolate
1 tablespoon peanut butter
Meal 2: 6 oz chicken breast
3/4 cup white rice
Meal 3: 6 oz ground turkey 93/7
3/4 white rice
4 oz asparagus
Meal 4: 6 oz chicken breast
4 oz sweet potatoe
Meal 5: 8 oz cod
6 oz asparagus
Meal 6: 4 oz lean beef
1/2 cup egg white
1 cup spinach
The meats in meals 2-5 are interchangeable with any others.
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- Protein powder should be replaced by real food
- Fats look too low at a glance with only 1 source (peanut butter) coming from non-meat.
- which meal is preworkout and which meal is postworkout?
- Vegetables quantity is low. As well, you would also want more variety if it's feasible for you.
- Are you trying to cut fat and keep muscle or gain weight and add muscle? Have you calculated your TDEE?
- When was the last time you did bloodwork and what was tested?
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What would you recommend to get my fats up?
The pre and post workout change, as my schedule is not a very solid one. I have 2 kids and am a single dad so I mainly ensure I get into the gym/ get a work out in at my home gym if it isn’t possible to go to the gym between two meals whenever I can. The “most” consistent is between meals 2-3.
I love asparagus, but I could also stand green beans added to meal 2 and meal 4 if that would help. Not a huge fan but I know it’s better than nothing. Picky about veggies and asparagus is my favorite which is why I have it as a main source.
I was mainly going for a very clean light bulk with this diet originally. However, I want to give it my all with this first cycle. If you have any suggestions here, please let me know as well. I want to gain muscle, but not to much fat.
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Whatever vegetable you can eat every day is a good choice. Same as fats.
Fat options
- Olive oil
- coconut oil
- seeds
- avocado
Step 1 is calculating your TDER. there is a sticky in the diet/nutrition section.
If your workout times change then your meal rotation should also be dynamic. The protein+carb meals should occur before and after a workout, never the fish+oil meal or beef+veg meal.
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Hey guys, about 11 days into cycle and feeling amazing. I haven’t felt any tinderness yet or lumps, but I’m curious.. one of you stated you would start the arimidex but not until a few weeks after cycle started. Roughly how many weeks? I also know most of you prefer .25 or .5 mg of arimidex per dosage every other day or so. However, mine are 1mg capsules. Any ideas on how to best do have of this every other day eod instead of 1mg every 3 or 4?
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Take what I say with a grain of salt, since I've only recently gotten my diet in check (and it shows!!!), and I haven't started my first cycle yet. I'm no expert by any means. I've been able to get away with dirty bulking for 5 years and only got up to 13% BF cuz genetics. My diet is nowhere near perfect, yet I've still managed to gain weight and, if anything, my BF% has gone down. Not because I've lost fat, but because I've gained muscle and very little fat.
You definitely want to calculate your TDEE and, while on cycle, I'd go 500 calories above that. Then up the calories again if your weight gain comes to a halt/very slow progress (I only went up 300 while not cycling). While on cycle, you'll PROBABLY want your protein to be 1.5g per lb of body weight, but everyone has differing opinions there. It may not be necessary to go that high. With the rest of your calories, split it between fat and carbs as you see fit. Everyone has different preferences and you may have to feel that out for yourself. Most people prefer at least slightly higher carbs while bulking, but if you have an extremely hard time eating enough to meet your calorie needs, it may be necessary to increase fat and decrease carbs, since fat has more than double the calories per gram of protein or carbs.
Staying clean is important, but another thing to remember is to not torture yourself, a mistake I made that ended up slowing me down. In my opinion, the absolute most important part of bodybuilding is staying motivated, and if your diet is absolute torture, you'll eventually (and probably quickly) drop the diet and binge on junk, which is a fatal mistake, especially on cycle. Stick to your macros, stay clean, but don't be afraid to eat just enough of what you like that you stay motivated enough to STICK TO A GOOD DIET! Consistency is key. Although while on cycle, you'll probably be motivated to do whatever it takes, no matter how torturous.
I'm sure some will disagree with me but I tried to stay too clean for too long and completely gave up and a bunch of people set me straight and I refused to listen but sure enough when I tried it, I saw gains I didn't think were possible for me naturally, and it happened rather fast, so I'm sticking to it.
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Like BiB said, you dont want to start your adex right away on a longer ester. Reason is, before the test even gets going in your system and before your body even starts to convert anything to estrogen, younwill have already crashed your estrogen. Adex will work much quicker than test e or cyp. So you have to give the test time to build in your system before you are concerned with controlling your estro.
I usually wait until week 3 before starting an ai, some guys start wk 2 or end of wk 2. With capsules its a little more difficult. You can open them and split in half if you want, or just find some solid pills you can split. Taking a full 1mg every 4 or 5 days or wk isnt really optimal. You will prefer maybe .25mg every 2 or 3 days which is the favored method, or .5 at the most every 3 or 4 days.
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