From bodybuilding to half-marathon

[Kimbo Almond]

I've done about 8 cycles over the past 10 years, always aiming for more and more size.

I took up running a few months ago, and I attend a 5k fun run at the park every Saturday morning.

I'm really enjoying running in groups and I hope to run a half-marathon this year, and a full marathon next year.

My squat has reduced by 20% but I don't mind because I want to keep having fun running.

For my next cycle I want to improve my running but also put on more size (sort of a happy medium).

Here's what I'm thinking:

EQ 1g / wk
Deca 500mg / wk
Var 80mg / day
Test 150mg / wk

I really want to add in 400mg Tren per week too but I hear this might reduce my cardio? Is that right? Should I avoid Tren?

On previous cycles I've been able to hande Tren A comfortably at 150mg EOD. If I go up to 200mg then I get libido problems.

Any advice on this cycle?

[charger69]

I've done about 8 cycles over the past 10 years, always aiming for more and more size.

I took up running a few months ago, and I attend a 5k fun run at the park every Saturday morning.

I'm really enjoying running in groups and I hope to run a half-marathon this year, and a full marathon next year.

My squat has reduced by 20% but I don't mind because I want to keep having fun running.

For my next cycle I want to improve my running but also put on more size (sort of a happy medium).

Here's what I'm thinking:

EQ 1g / wk
Deca 500g / wk
Var 80mg / day
Test 150mg / wk

I really want to add in 400mg Tren per week too but I hear this might reduce my cardio? Is that right? Should I avoid Tren?

On previous cycles I've been able to hande Tren A comfortably at 150mg EOD. If I go up to 200mg then I get libido problems.

Any advice on this cycle?

Please provide complete stats. Age, what cycles you have done, etc.
You definitely do not want tren if your running a 1/2 marathon. I will state that your leg development will suffer.
I did my 1st 1/2 marathon while on a bulk cycle of deca and test. You have more weight so you are not going to break any records.
Is there a reason for such low test. I normally bulk with low test around 250-300 but right now I am trying high test again at 700 and deca at 600.
We can provide guidelines but ultimately it is how your body reacts.


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[Kimbo Almond]

Please provide complete stats. Age, what cycles you have done, etc.
You definitely do not want tren if your running a 1/2 marathon. I will state that your leg development will suffer.
I did my 1st 1/2 marathon while on a bulk cycle of deca and test. You have more weight so you are not going to break any records.
Is there a reason for such low test. I normally bulk with low test around 250-300 but right now I am trying high test again at 700 and deca at 600.
We can provide guidelines but ultimately it is how your body reacts.

I'm 31. My last few cycles were low T with Tren A at 150mg EOD. My bodyweight is down to 198 lbs since my expartner died but I'm keen to put on more size while I continue to enjoy running.

I never noticed my cardio suffering on Tren in the past, although I wasn't doing the kind of longer distance running I'm doing now. I stop running when my legs have had enough -- not because I'm out of breath.

Do some people do okay taking Tren with endurance cardio?

[charger69]

I'm 31. My last few cycles were low T with Tren A at 150mg EOD. My bodyweight is down to 198 lbs since my expartner died but I'm keen to put on more size while I continue to enjoy running.

I never noticed my cardio suffering on Tren in the past, although I wasn't doing the kind of longer distance running I'm doing now. I stop running when my legs have had enough -- not because I'm out of breath.

Do some people do okay taking Tren with endurance cardio?

I guess everyone is different, but with good tren, it does effect your cardio in one way or another. I used to run 4 miles daily on tren and could feel the difference but I could still run. That was at about 400mg / week.
My last cycle was at 700- forget a constant run. I was doing HIIT and when my hematocrit got too high, I wouldn’t be able to do the normal . I would give blood to bring it back down.
You can try it. What dosage were you going to take?


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[Kimbo Almond]

What dosage were you going to take?

150mg Tren E e3d

This combined with the deca will definitely cause libido problems and so ill take cabergoline too

[ScotchGuard02]

150mg Tren E e3d

This combined with the deca will definitely cause libido problems and so ill take cabergoline too

Tren's going to kill your cardio. It's going to be hard to train for a 1/2 marathon and run a bulk cycle. Why don't you just run a cut cycle with Test/Mast?

[Kimbo Almond]

Tren's going to kill your cardio. It's going to be hard to train for a 1/2 marathon and run a bulk cycle. Why don't you just run a cut cycle with Test/Mast?

I want deca for joints, collagen, connective tissues.... all that stuff.

Var because it's so easy to swallow pills, and it's inexpensive.

High dose EQ just to safely flood my blood with AAS.

Tren just for sheer muscle growth.

Test but only because the male human body requires a small amount to avoid fatigue and depression.

[charger69]

I want deca for joints, collagen, connective tissues.... all that stuff.

Var because it's so easy to swallow pills, and it's inexpensive.

High dose EQ just to safely flood my blood with AAS.

Tren just for sheer muscle growth.

Test but only because the male human body requires a small amount to avoid fatigue and depression.

You are trying to have the best of both worlds. IMHO it doesn’t work. I recommend to train for the 1/2 and then bulk.
I tried it and tried to fool myself that it does work. It really doesn’t. To put it in perspective, I compete in B.B.
Your diet will dictate what the AAS accomplishes, not the AAS itself. I never use tren for bulking, I only use it for cutting. My diet dictates that it will be a cutting agent.
What are your natural test levels?
I always recommend that you have a test base when cycling because it gets shut down so I agree with having test but for different reasons than yours.


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[Windex]

Agreed with Scotch & Charger.

Cycle is all over the map and way too much gear for a marathon goal.

Only thing I would add is to do blood work before cycling. If your natural test levels are low/mid-low then you need to accept the risk of ending up on TRT by using Deca if you aren't already on TRT.

If it was me (I am on TRT) - I would only run the Test+Deca and cater my diet towards the goal of running the marathon.

[Ger_1997]

Do you thought about epo? But it is expensive


Does anybody know how and why Tren affects cardio ?
How much does it effect your cardio ?

[Kimbo Almond]

I wonder if I could get away with a little bit of Tren, like:

Tren E 100mg e3d

I hear what you are all saying though about trying to do two different things at once.

[charger69]

I wonder if I could get away with a little bit of Tren, like:

Tren E 100mg e3d

I hear what you are all saying though about trying to do two different things at once.

I do not understand why you are so stuck on using tren.
Tren is not for runners period. If you want to try it then go ahead.
The reason that I say the above is due to the sides. Tren raises bp , it affects cardio, and does not retain water. Three things that runners need.
I do know that tren raises the rbc count which also affects hematocrit levels. While on tren, I need to give blood every month. My cardio will tank at high hematocrit levels, I give blood and The cardio comes back- to some degree.


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[Kimbo Almond]

I do not understand why you are so stuck on using tren.
Tren is not for runners period. If you want to try it then go ahead.
The reason that I say the above is due to the sides. Tren raises bp , it affects cardio, and does not retain water. Three things that runners need.
I do know that tren raises the rbc count which also affects hematocrit levels. While on tren, I need to give blood every month. My cardio will tank at high hematocrit levels, I give blood and The cardio comes back- to some degree.


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A stack just feels incomplete without Tren.

A stack without Tren is like a jazz band without a saxophone.

[ScotchGuard02]

If you want to run Tren, go ahead and run it. The sides won't last forever and when the cycle's over, you'll have the benefits of the Tren cycle. It's not that you can't run Tren when you train for a half marathon, it's just a little harder to build your wind. It's nothing a determined athlete can't overcome.