Advanced Bulk Cycle opinion

[Doz]

Hello guys, im planning to do a 16weeks bulk cycle on november, got plenty of cycles under my belt and enough knowledge.
My diet will start from 4k calories and maybe increase to 4.5-5k if i need to.
Current bodyweight 78kg Goal 90?
Current Bodyfat 10% Dont care cause i cut so easy even without steroids, propably stay at 13-16 range
Height 174cm

my cycle will be :

Sustanon : 750mg per week
Deca : 600mg per week
Anadrol : 50 mg per day for first 6-8 weeks
Dianabol : 30mg per day for first 6-8 weeks

Arimidex : 0.5mg e3d
Caber on hand
Nolva and Clomid for pct

The reason i stack 2 orals is cause iv read some articles saying that they have a synergistic effect and many friends of mine are amazed by the results, sure ill run a good liver support though.
My question is: Should i add EQ on this stack to maximize my gains? and if yes is it worth? and in what dose?
thanks in advance!

[AR's King Silabolin]

Drop the Abombs, use EQ instead at 600.
Drop deca to 300
Do 14 weeks instead of 16.

Dont intend to mess up the party, but i think u should pay more attention to increase calories from 4 to 6000.

Last...dont trust liverpills. Plenty of guys with more knowledge than all of us together, who say they are worthless (Bostin Loyd f.i)

1200 mg NAC didnt do shit for my enzymes when i ran lowdose dbol and tren one year ago. Borderhigh x 5, 5 weeks after.!



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[Doz]

why dropp dbol to 300? isnt that kinda low dosage for bulk? guys use it that low just for the joint effect...also why drop anadrol? about eq...i dont have any experience with this steroid , can you explain me why is it better than anadrol? , thanks for your reply

[tarmyg]

Anadrol : 50 mg per day for first 6-8 weeks
Dianabol : 30mg per day for first 6-8 weeks

This looks pretty liver intense so maybe add TUDCA for liver support.

[AR's King Silabolin]

why dropp dbol to 300? isnt that kinda low dosage for bulk? guys use it that low just for the joint effect...also why drop anadrol? about eq...i dont have any experience with this steroid , can you explain me why is it better than anadrol? , thanks for your reply

Bulk is in the calories.

300 deca is enough in synergy with the others.

Drop Abombs cause u should never do more than one oral at a time. And anadrol is maybe more unhealthy then than tren.

But its just my take. Maybe GH joins..he has knowledge

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[Kay kay]

Cycle is fine as originally listed.

However, when advanced I find short burst cycles of 4-8weeks best. IMHO you’d be better off with a 6 week blast, 4 week cruise, and another 6 week blast for 16 week total rather than a 16 week run.

Weeks 1-6
Test e-375ng/week
Deca-300mg/week
Test prop-700mg/week
Npp-700mg/week
Dbol-30-40mg/day

Weeks 7-10
Test e-375mg/week
Deca-300mg/week

Weeks 11–16
Test e-375mg:week
Deca-300mg/week
Test prop-700mg/week
Npp-700mg/week
Anadrol-100mg/day

In my opinion this will serve you much better

[kelkel]

Last...dont trust liverpills. Plenty of guys with more knowledge than all of us together, who say they are worthless (Bostin Loyd f.i)

1200 mg NAC didnt do shit for my enzymes when i ran lowdose dbol and tren one year ago. Borderhigh x 5, 5 weeks after.!





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Remember there is plenty of science behind NAC and UDCA/TUDCA. Your dosage simply may not have been high enough. Also remember that simply working out can raise liver enzymes up to supraphysiological levels for a week or more. For true levels you'd need to take about 10 days or more off from lifting prior to blood work.

[GearHeaded]

Just an Fyi Doz - Anadrol does not aromatize into estrogen, however it is pretty estrogenic . I notice your running an AI (so for some reason you must want to keep estrogen on the low end . . . even though your trying to grow). just know that an AI does nothing for stopping estrogen sides that come from anadrol (again Adrol does not aromatize). In order to control its estrogen effects you'll need to blunt it at the receptor sites themselves with a SERM like Nolva.

Regarding running Adrol and Dbol at the same time.. very popular for heavy bulking cycles. you just got to decide from past blood work if your body can metabolize all that without too much ill effect. your dosages are low enough I don't see a problem though ( I know guys running 150mg a day Adrol and 50-100 dbol)
heres another way to run them together instead of doing it daily though, which can limit toxicity down a degree.
Anadrol 50mg per day for two days, then Dbol at 50mg the next day, Then back to Adrol at 50 for two days, then Dbol at 50mg the next day etc..(you can flip flop these if you prefer to run dbol more often the Adrol)

this will extend how long you can run the orals .. however I'm not a fan of running Adrol for longer then 4 weeks because of its ill effects on appetite and overall feeling ill on it (Dbol you can run for 8 weeks plus no problem though)

[GearHeaded]

Bulk is in the calories.

this is spot on . all those drugs can't do shit for you unless they have the raw materials to help build muscle.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Remember there is plenty of science behind NAC and UDCA/TUDCA. Your dosage simply may not have been high enough. Also remember that simply working out can raise liver enzymes up to supraphysiological levels for a week or more. For true levels you'd need to take about 10 days or more off from lifting prior to blood work.

That i didnt know. I admit. Thougth that was the rule for creatinin only.

But. U can say what u will about Bostin Loyd, but he has broad experience with himself and 100reds of clients.
He says they are all useless...

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[kelkel]

That i didnt know. I admit. Thougth that was the rule for creatinin only.

But. U can say what u will about Bostin Loyd, but he has broad experience with himself and 100reds of clients.
He says they are all useless...

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Zero issues with Boston. I used to think quite negatively about him a few years ago when he first came out with some pretty wild claims. He's grown on me and I like his honesty. I follow him on social media as well and enjoy his in your face / no bullshit commentary. Very entertaining guy and looking good lately at 270 ish.

[GearHeaded]

That i didnt know. I admit. Thougth that was the rule for creatinin only.

in super simple terms.. when the liver is under stress and 'broken down' and those enzymes enter the blood stream, its the same enzymes that enter the blood stream when muscle tissue is broken down from hard training. the blood test does not distinguish what has come from the breaking down of muscle tissue or from the liver. it looks the same on paper..

so yeah you can imagine spending several weeks doing heavy training and getting blood work for "liver" enzymes , you'll likely see elevated liver enzymes (even though they did nor originate from the liver itself).

thats why you need to take a week or more off of training before getting blood work

[Obs]

in super simple terms.. when the liver is under stress and 'broken down' and those enzymes enter the blood stream, its the same enzymes that enter the blood stream when muscle tissue is broken down from hard training. the blood test does not distinguish what has come from the breaking down of muscle tissue or from the liver. it looks the same on paper..

so yeah you can imagine spending several weeks doing heavy training and getting blood work for "liver" enzymes , you'll likely see elevated liver enzymes (even though they did nor originate from the liver itself).

thats why you need to take a week or more off of training before getting blood work

Yes!
I had life insurance pull bloods and forgot they were coming. I had a fucked hard day. I came home so tired I decided to split a chord of firewood out of spite.

I sat the maul down as the lady pulled in the drive.
She had to wait forever to get my bp in range.
Bloods came back with CK off the charts.

I was natural then and I worked unhealthily hard. Liver values were trash and others.
My bloods csme back cleaner after two years of heavy ass blasting than they were when I was natural.

Pub med shows CK levels can be elevated for many days after strenuous exercise depending on type and how extensive.

[GearHeaded]

Yes!
I had life insurance pull bloods and forgot they were coming. I had a fucked hard day. I came home so tired I decided to split a chord of firewood out of spite.

I sat the maul down as the lady pulled in the drive.
She had to wait forever to get my bp in range.
Bloods came back with CK off the charts.

I was natural then and I worked unhealthily hard. Liver values were trash and others.
My bloods csme back cleaner after two years of heavy ass blasting than they were when I was natural.

Pub med shows CK levels can be elevated for many days after strenuous exercise depending on type and how extensive.

makes sense.

I tell people that competing as a natural body builder is more unhealthy then competing enhanced (if done responsibly) . reason being is when you compete natty you put a ton of stress on your body, cortisol goes through the roof, anabolic and healing hormones plummet and you get all F'd up ... whereas when you enhanced and your in prep, you get to supplement with exogenous hormones to make up for the bodies natural deficit, and you get to heal and recover much faster and better utilize the nutrients your taking in.

[Obs]

makes sense.

I tell people that competing as a natural body builder is more unhealthy then competing enhanced (if done responsibly) . reason being is when you compete natty you put a ton of stress on your body, cortisol goes through the roof, anabolic and healing hormones plummet and you get all F'd up ... whereas when you enhanced and your in prep, you get to supplement with exogenous hormones to make up for the bodies natural deficit, and you get to heal and recover much faster and better utilize the nutrients your taking in.

I was very shocked though.
I have not been responsibly using AAS.
In fact I have been damn wreckless. LDL and HDL are outta whack. No suprise on tren this long though.

I personally believe that people react very differently to AAS. Moreso than noted because people follow cookie cutter plans. I know for a fact if I had kept doing what I was I would have been spent at 40.

I am gonna be a big ass 50 year old. People will shit.

[Obs]

Lmfao!

That last line... I want that as my custom title.

[Kay kay]

I’d throw in EQ at 900 or drop test to 500 and add Eq at 1200-1500 for a super lean veiny look on your bulk. High dosed EQ Is extremely underrated! Makes your body a furnace like tren and keeps you lean but great growth too

[kelkel]

I am gonna be a big ass 50 year old. People will shit.

Good goal. Been there, done that.

[GearHeaded]

People will shit.

I've seen anecdotal evidence to support this statement as a fact

[guitarzan]

Good goal. Been there, done that.

I plan to also, but only got 4 years. I better tighten up

[Obs]

I've seen anecdotal evidence to support this statement as a fact

Its got a whole other meaning out where the hoot owls fuck the chickens...