Hair friendly lean mass cycle in 6 weeks

[fitguy]

Any suggestions for a lean mass bulk in 6 weeks?

[Kay kay]

Test prop and npp all the way through with Dbol or anadrol either all six weeks or the last four weeks if you wanna keep it simple.

[The God Himself]

Please provide further information like your stats, cycle history. Lean part of the bulking is solely depends on your diet.
Only difference is some steroids are wet some are dry. That is because some steroids are more estrogenic than others.
If you are MPB prone, avoid DHT based compounds and tren as they are famous for it.
6 weeks are too short btw.

[fitguy]

Please provide further information like your stats, cycle history. Lean part of the bulking is solely depends on your diet.
Only difference is some steroids are wet some are dry. That is because some steroids are more estrogenic than others.
If you are MPB prone, avoid DHT based compounds and tren as they are famous for it.
6 weeks are too short btw.

Done few cycles in the past used deca once last cycle was 4-5 years back was trying to avoid aas use due to the risk of trt and hairloss but i still need to loose some body fat and gain 8-lbs of muscle,i am thinking of running a 6 weeks cycle as i will be kinda busy starting from feb,thanks

[Charlie67]

Done few cycles in the past used deca once last cycle was 4-5 years back was trying to avoid aas use due to the risk of trt and hairloss but i still need to loose some body fat and gain 8-lbs of muscle,i am thinking of running a 6 weeks cycle as i will be kinda busy starting from feb,thanks

That's ambitious my friend. Six weeks to both lose fat and add 8 pounds out muscle. That's more of a re-comp idea then a bulking idea imho. For ME, thats unlikely, but we have no idea what you look like, your training, gear history (other than "few cycles in the past"), or your diet. I'd be inclined to suggest you wait until you have more time since you said you were going to be too busy, and being too busy is usually a bad sign for goal setting...But I get that no one ever wants to hear that they just want an answer

So... (Every thought I have is only what might work FOR ME, you are the only one who knows your body, so act accordingly) Assuming you have a solid cycle history, and you're a bit out of shape (since being super fit would make your goal even harder). My first thought would be something like a Test/Mast/Tren cycle of short esters, a 100% clean diet, a boat load of cardio, and an effective training program. Don't think of it as bulking, think of it as cutting while you're eating a lot of calories.

I wish you the best,
C-

[fitguy]

That's ambitious my friend. Six weeks to both lose fat and add 8 pounds out muscle. That's more of a re-comp idea then a bulking idea imho. For ME, thats unlikely, but we have no idea what you look like, your training, gear history (other than "few cycles in the past"), or your diet. I'd be inclined to suggest you wait until you have more time since you said you were going to be too busy, and being too busy is usually a bad sign for goal setting...But I get that no one ever wants to hear that they just want an answer

So... (Every thought I have is only what might work FOR ME, you are the only one who knows your body, so act accordingly) Assuming you have a solid cycle history, and you're a bit out of shape (since being super fit would make your goal even harder). My first thought would be something like a Test/Mast/Tren cycle of short esters, a 100% clean diet, a boat load of cardio, and an effective training program. Don't think of it as bulking, think of it as cutting while you're eating a lot of calories.

I wish you the best,
C-

I did i think 2 test only cycles more than 10 years ago not sure,last cycle was deca tbol
And test and that was around 5 years ago,i wont be busy to workout in feb but will be travelling and am not sure how travelling with gear and all will be thats all,this is how i look like now

[Charlie67]

You look good man, and i totally get what you mean about traveling with gear. I don't mind traveling with gear in my checked bags domestically, but if you're going International I'd reconsider. my thinking remains roughly the same (whatever that's actually worth, I'm probably the last person you should listen to ... Given your time frame and the fact your fairly lean, and what you said about your other cycles, you might look into a test / mast run. skip the tren. I honestly have no idea what you'd be capable of in 6 weeks, for me it's always about 4 weeks before anything really starts clicking, and then you'd only have 2 weeks left, then PCT... but it just feels like too short of a time frame to get much out of a cycle and you might just be wasting money. I guess you could fake it by running maybe some Dbol or anadrol up front. That would get you visually puffier, but you'd be fighting yourself to cut weight at the same time and when you dropped the Dbol you'd lose whatever you gained.

I know I'm rambling and I'm not very helpful, sorry about that, i know you want an answer... But thinking it through I guess I'd think about waiting until you're done traveling and running a full length 12 to 16 weeks cycle, and for your available six weeks I think I'd just do a straight-up diet based cut with some clen maybe. Just get ripped, that would be more noticeable then anything you might gain. Again, unless you ran some orals right now.

Maybe look in to a winsterol cycle. I've seen people run only it, but I'd probably never run it without Test also. And get a good liver support (NAC) to go with it.

I hope this helps,
Best,
C-

[fitguy]

You look good man, and i totally get what you mean about traveling with gear. I don't mind traveling with gear in my checked bags domestically, but if you're going International I'd reconsider. my thinking remains roughly the same (whatever that's actually worth, I'm probably the last person you should listen to ... Given your time frame and the fact your fairly lean, and what you said about your other cycles, you might look into a test / mast run. skip the tren. I honestly have no idea what you'd be capable of in 6 weeks, for me it's always about 4 weeks before anything really starts clicking, and then you'd only have 2 weeks left, then PCT... but it just feels like too short of a time frame to get much out of a cycle and you might just be wasting money. I guess you could fake it by running maybe some Dbol or anadrol up front. That would get you visually puffier, but you'd be fighting yourself to cut weight at the same time and when you dropped the Dbol you'd lose whatever you gained.

I know I'm rambling and I'm not very helpful, sorry about that, i know you want an answer... But thinking it through I guess I'd think about waiting until you're done traveling and running a full length 12 to 16 weeks cycle, and for your available six weeks I think I'd just do a straight-up diet based cut with some clen maybe. Just get ripped, that would be more noticeable then anything you might gain. Again, unless you ran some orals right now.

Maybe look in to a winsterol cycle. I've seen people run only it, but I'd probably never run it without Test also. And get a good liver support (NAC) to go with it.

I hope this helps,
Best,
C-

Thanks a lot,am not into winny or tren because of hairloss concerns and am fine with running aas when i move but i am not really sure about my circumstances of obtaining aas once i move thats why most probably it will be either i run a cycle now up
To feb or before and run pct there or run a cycle for 6 weeks only from now,as far as cutting i would like to do that but i usually end up loosing muscle when i do that

[Kay kay]

Six weeks is ABSOLUTELY not too short for a cycle. Many high level competitors use short burst cycles of 4-6 weeks, I’ve used them myself and honestly it’s a much better way to cycle, the bodies counter regulatory hormones set in After that long and gains become much more difficult. It makes a lot of sense to keep cycles higher doses and shorter with short esters.

[fitguy]

Six weeks is ABSOLUTELY not too short for a cycle. Many high level competitors use short burst cycles of 4-6 weeks, I’ve used them myself and honestly it’s a much better way to cycle, the bodies counter regulatory hormones set in After that long and gains become much more difficult. It makes a lot of sense to keep cycles higher doses and shorter with short esters.

What compounds do you use and type of gains that you usually get?

[GearHeaded]

test prop 50mg per day
Ment 75mg per day
Superdrol - 20mg per day
Winny 50mg per day

6 weeks of that will work. run a low dose of Nolva to keep estrogen in check

[fitguy]

test prop 50mg per day
Ment 75mg per day
Superdrol - 20mg per day
Winny 50mg per day

6 weeks of that will work. run a low dose of Nolva to keep estrogen in check

What if i need to avoid winny because of hair loss?also am wondering is it illegal to travel with nolva and clomid?

[Kay kay]

Jeeze that’s a broad question with varying answers... use short esters with compounds you react well to, utilize the benefits of estrogen and wet compounds, and use a small pre cycle prime before each run.

[AlphaMindz]

As far as hair loss goes you're just as likely to lose hair on test as you are with winny or tren IMO because test will convert to DHT which is what makes your hair follicles shrink and eventually stops allowing hair to grow out of it.

If you are prone to MPB then you should look into controlling DHT levels with either natural products like saw palmetto or prescribed meds like finasteride. If the natural ones work then stick with those as the prescription meds are very potent and you'll need to stay on em long term to preserve hair.

In regards to your cycle, you have a good base to start with but I agree with Charlie that gaining 8 lbs of muscle while losing bf isn't gonna happen in a 6-8 week cycle. It just isn't enough time for your body to synthesize 8 lbs of muscle tissue. The cycle GH laid out is super advanced and will put a lot of new muscle on you but I'd be concerned with ment but if you don't have estrogen issues then you'll be fine as ment aromatizes like crazy.

IMO you should take a more long term approach to this and grow into the physique you're trying to achieve as anything worth working for won't happen in two months or less. I understand your circumstances leave you limited to a degree but there are ways to get around traveling with gear, or you may have to wait until you have more time to apply to this.

You can certainly try, but you may end up doing more harm than good if trying to achieve unrealistic goals in such a short period of time. Just my two cents only here to help.

[fitguy]

As far as hair loss goes you're just as likely to lose hair on test as you are with winny or tren IMO because test will convert to DHT which is what makes your hair follicles shrink and eventually stops allowing hair to grow out of it.

If you are prone to MPB then you should look into controlling DHT levels with either natural products like saw palmetto or prescribed meds like finasteride. If the natural ones work then stick with those as the prescription meds are very potent and you'll need to stay on em long term to preserve hair.

In regards to your cycle, you have a good base to start with but I agree with Charlie that gaining 8 lbs of muscle while losing bf isn't gonna happen in a 6-8 week cycle. It just isn't enough time for your body to synthesize 8 lbs of muscle tissue. The cycle GH laid out is super advanced and will put a lot of new muscle on you but I'd be concerned with ment but if you don't have estrogen issues then you'll be fine as ment aromatizes like crazy.

IMO you should take a more long term approach to this and grow into the physique you're trying to achieve as anything worth working for won't happen in two months or less. I understand your circumstances leave you limited to a degree but there are ways to get around traveling with gear, or you may have to wait until you have more time to apply to this.

You can certainly try, but you may end up doing more harm than good if trying to achieve unrealistic goals in such a short period of time. Just my two cents only here to help.

Thanks for the feedback,i have my hair in goof shape now and use nizoral occassionaly as prevention eventhough am not running anything,i can either run a cycle for max of 10 weeks from now and travel with my pct or wait and run another cycle later on but for the time being say till new year or something what can i do to come closer to my goals?

[GearHeaded]

What if i need to avoid winny because of hair loss?also am wondering is it illegal to travel with nolva and clomid?

just because a compound is DHT derived does not mean its necessarily bad for your hair . take Tren for example. its not a DHT at all, yet its horrible for most guys hair lines. why? because its so damn androgenic (5x more then test).

so using a DHT based drug that is a lot more anabolic then androgenic , which also does not convert to DHT itself. Winny and Superdrol are prime examples.

[AlphaMindz]

Thanks for the feedback,i have my hair in goof shape now and use nizoral occassionaly as prevention eventhough am not running anything,i can either run a cycle for max of 10 weeks from now and travel with my pct or wait and run another cycle later on but for the time being say till new year or something what can i do to come closer to my goals?

Yeah anytime on the feedback bro. As far as your question goes....Well, I would honestly work on putting on size first and then focus on losing bodyfat as you don't need to recomp cause your physique is at a nice starting point IMO. You don't have a whole lot of body fat so you should be able to bulk while staying pretty close to the bf % you're at now.

I would run a test prop and winny cycle. Winstrol is such an underrated drug IMO as everyone wants to use tren now. Tren is great BUT it's harsh and comes with a lot of sides. IMO if you eat big but clean and lift with intensity while running those compounds your physique will make some nice changes and I know the look you're going for as I'm going for the same look and that's my "go to" now test as your base which will put on size and winny to bring out the separation although winny is also quite anabolic and will put on new muscle too).

Winny will also help the test work better as it binds to SHBG and allows more free test to circulate and bind to androgen receptors.

I think if your diet and training are on point then you can make head turning changes in the next 10 weeks assuming you get good gear!

[fitguy]

just because a compound is DHT derived does not mean its necessarily bad for your hair . take Tren for example. its not a DHT at all, yet its horrible for most guys hair lines. why? because its so damn androgenic (5x more then test).

so using a DHT based drug that is a lot more anabolic then androgenic , which also does not convert to DHT itself. Winny and Superdrol are prime examples.

Sounds great but many say that winstrol is too bad for the hair??isnt it true?

[fitguy]

Yeah anytime on the feedback bro. As far as your question goes....Well, I would honestly work on putting on size first and then focus on losing bodyfat as you don't need to recomp cause your physique is at a nice starting point IMO. You don't have a whole lot of body fat so you should be able to bulk while staying pretty close to the bf % you're at now.

I would run a test prop and winny cycle. Winstrol is such an underrated drug IMO as everyone wants to use tren now. Tren is great BUT it's harsh and comes with a lot of sides. IMO if you eat big but clean and lift with intensity while running those compounds your physique will make some nice changes and I know the look you're going for as I'm going for the same look and that's my "go to" now test as your base which will put on size and winny to bring out the separation although winny is also quite anabolic and will put on new muscle too).

Winny will also help the test work better as it binds to SHBG and allows more free test to circulate and bind to androgen receptors.

I think if your diet and training are on point then you can make head turning changes in the next 10 weeks assuming you get good gear!

Yes exactly btw you look great well done bro����the thing is i would like to try winny but it has a very bad reputation for harsh hairloss

[AlphaMindz]

Yes exactly btw you look great well done bro����the thing is i would like to try winny but it has a very bad reputation for harsh hairloss

Does it? Shit I honestly don't know man as I'm lucky not to have that issue....yet (hopefully never as I don't think I could pull off the bald white guy look lol). Thanks for the compliment brotha been working hard since last year. I'd say the biggest gains were made from March this year to now as those before and after pics are pretty dramatic!

But back to your question, everything is dose dependent (well maybe not everything but MOST things are) so I doubt 50mg's of winny eod will do much to your hair line, but if you notice hair loss just discontinue use...I honestly feel like the DHT conversion from test would be harsher than running winstrol.

If MPB is a big concern for you then def look into finasteride and that will block DHT from binding to your hair follicles and will protect your prostate as well so something to look into....

[fitguy]

Does it? Shit I honestly don't know man as I'm lucky not to have that issue....yet (hopefully never as I don't think I could pull off the bald white guy look lol). Thanks for the compliment brotha been working hard since last year. I'd say the biggest gains were made from March this year to now as those before and after pics are pretty dramatic!

But back to your question, everything is dose dependent (well maybe not everything but MOST things are) so I doubt 50mg's of winny eod will do much to your hair line, but if you notice hair loss just discontinue use...I honestly feel like the DHT conversion from test would be harsher than running winstrol.

If MPB is a big concern for you then def look into finasteride and that will block DHT from binding to your hair follicles and will protect your prostate as well so something to look into....

Finasteride only works on test not winny

[AlphaMindz]

Finasteride only works on test not winny

Finasteride will block all DHT regardless of where it's coming from. It blocks the receptors that DHT binds to (hair follicles, prostate, and I'm sure other areas but dont have time to research atm)

[GearHeaded]

Finasteride will block all DHT regardless of where it's coming from. It blocks the receptors that DHT binds to (hair follicles, prostate, and I'm sure other areas but dont have time to research atm)

Finasteride acts more like an AI then it does a SERM (but in regards to DHT, not Estrogen). in regards to estrogen , an AI blocks the conversion of test into estrogen, thus lowering blood leaves of estrogen, but does NOT block estrogen at the receptor itself (this is the job of a SERM, which does not stop the conversion process of test into estrogen but does block estrogen at certain receptor sites).

fina acts more like an AI , yet instead of blocking the aromatase enzyme, it works on the DHT enzyme (5 alpha reductase) . the result is less conversion of androgens, like test, into DHT . however , the DHT that is in the blood stream will still be able to bind to receptors (again its not like a SERM in regards to DHT).

I think where the confusion is , is that 5 alpha reductase (the enzyme that turns androgens into DHT) is generally found at the site itself (like the prostate and scalp). because of this, guys think that Finasteride blocks DHT at the receptor site itself as well. but it does not. it only stops the conversion process of androgens into DHT.

[fitguy]

Finasteride acts more like an AI then it does a SERM (but in regards to DHT, not Estrogen). in regards to estrogen , an AI blocks the conversion of test into estrogen, thus lowering blood leaves of estrogen, but does NOT block estrogen at the receptor itself (this is the job of a SERM, which does not stop the conversion process of test into estrogen but does block estrogen at certain receptor sites).

fina acts more like an AI , yet instead of blocking the aromatase enzyme, it works on the DHT enzyme (5 alpha reductase) . the result is less conversion of androgens, like test, into DHT . however , the DHT that is in the blood stream will still be able to bind to receptors (again its not like a SERM in regards to DHT).

I think where the confusion is , is that 5 alpha reductase (the enzyme that turns androgens into DHT) is generally found at the site itself (like the prostate and scalp). because of this, guys think that Finasteride blocks DHT at the receptor site itself as well. but it does not. it only stops the conversion process of androgens into DHT.

According to that finasteride has no effect on winstrol right

[GearHeaded]

According to that finasteride has no effect on winstrol right

not directly . but things are more complicated then that often times.. so when running winstol it has the ability to lower SHBG and thus free up more testosterone . with more testosterone now available you have more possibility for DHT to elevate. thus in a round about way, the Winstrol can increase DHT . so Finasteride could still be of some help.

[AlphaMindz]

Finasteride acts more like an AI then it does a SERM (but in regards to DHT, not Estrogen). in regards to estrogen , an AI blocks the conversion of test into estrogen, thus lowering blood leaves of estrogen, but does NOT block estrogen at the receptor itself (this is the job of a SERM, which does not stop the conversion process of test into estrogen but does block estrogen at certain receptor sites).

fina acts more like an AI , yet instead of blocking the aromatase enzyme, it works on the DHT enzyme (5 alpha reductase) . the result is less conversion of androgens, like test, into DHT . however , the DHT that is in the blood stream will still be able to bind to receptors (again its not like a SERM in regards to DHT).

I think where the confusion is , is that 5 alpha reductase (the enzyme that turns androgens into DHT) is generally found at the site itself (like the prostate and scalp). because of this, guys think that Finasteride blocks DHT at the receptor site itself as well. but it does not. it only stops the conversion process of androgens into DHT.

Gotcha. It inhibits the conversion of test to DHT by reducing 5 alpha reductase enzyme production...(think I got it now lol)

So OP was correct in saying that finasteride won't do anything for him in regards to androgenic compounds that affect DHT receptors aside from test?

[AlphaMindz]

not directly . but things are more complicated then that often times.. so when running winstol it has the ability to lower SHBG and thus free up more testosterone . with more testosterone now available you have more possibility for DHT to elevate. thus in a round about way, the Winstrol can increase DHT . so Finasteride could still be of some help.

Makes sense....so it all comes back to test to DHT conversion...?

[fitguy]

not directly . but things are more complicated then that often times.. so when running winstol it has the ability to lower SHBG and thus free up more testosterone . with more testosterone now available you have more possibility for DHT to elevate. thus in a round about way, the Winstrol can increase DHT . so Finasteride could still be of some help.

So it wont stop effects from winstrol then

[HoldMyBeer]

Finasteride acts more like an AI then it does a SERM (but in regards to DHT, not Estrogen). in regards to estrogen , an AI blocks the conversion of test into estrogen, thus lowering blood leaves of estrogen, but does NOT block estrogen at the receptor itself (this is the job of a SERM, which does not stop the conversion process of test into estrogen but does block estrogen at certain receptor sites).

fina acts more like an AI , yet instead of blocking the aromatase enzyme, it works on the DHT enzyme (5 alpha reductase) . the result is less conversion of androgens, like test, into DHT . however , the DHT that is in the blood stream will still be able to bind to receptors (again its not like a SERM in regards to DHT).

I think where the confusion is , is that 5 alpha reductase (the enzyme that turns androgens into DHT) is generally found at the site itself (like the prostate and scalp). because of this, guys think that Finasteride blocks DHT at the receptor site itself as well. but it does not. it only stops the conversion process of androgens into DHT.

I was going to say that, but GH got to it first. :P

[Obs]

I was going to say that, but GH got to it first. :P

Yeah me too.
Except it would have came out in a manner that made everyone shake their head and call me names.

[HoldMyBeer]

Yeah me too.
Except it would have came out in a manner that made everyone shake their head and call me names.

I told GH from now on, when I read something he says that sounds smart, I was going to say that so I sound smart as well.
I had to do it at least once

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[Obs]

I told GH from now on, when I read something he says that sounds smart, I was going to say that so I sound smart as well.
I had to do it at least once

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Its simple...

The 5 alpha refuck face acts on the estrogen aroma case. Causes the androgel receptor to be in the prostrate.

God... Dont you people know anything!?

[HoldMyBeer]

Its simple...

The 5 alpha refuck face acts on the estrogen aroma case. Causes the androgel receptor to be in the prostrate.

God... Dont you people know anything!?

Lol, nope! Just a lowly pleb over here trying to sound like I do

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[fitguy]

Where can i find some info about different peptides,what to expect,sides,etc

[GearHeaded]

Where can i find some info about different peptides,what to expect,sides,etc

probably from someone with first hand knowledge that has read text books on them, studied them , and ran them on himself and 'prescribes' them in various client protocols
probably be quicker getting to the info you need that way then even 'google'

[fitguy]

probably from someone with first hand knowledge that has read text books on them, studied them , and ran them on himself and 'prescribes' them in various client protocols
probably be quicker getting to the info you need that way then even 'google'

Where can i find that lol

[Obs]

Where can i find that lol

His name is Holdmybeer