First Cycle ever, haven't worked out for years

[pikminman]

Hi,

I'm thinking of trying my first cycle of anabolic steroids. From the research I did online, I'm thinking of going with 400mg/week Test. E. and then Nolvadex for PCT or if symptoms occur. Open to advice on whether that's a solid plan, or extremely stupid and naive one.

Anyway, my main question here is:

What do you think the ramifications will be for someone to try anabolic steroids for the first time ever - if they haven't been working out at all for about 1.5 years?

Before that, I was working out pretty consistently for a good few years and during that time gains became very rare (i.e. I was near my peak).

I'm 24, and yes, I know it's may seem like a reckless idea and a risky attempt to make gains quick - but I'm at that point in life- where it's either steroids or no gym, because I'm just bored of life, and don't really care what happens, and also, I am not going through all that gym work again just to get to where I was.

I'd assume I wouldn't make nearly as many gains as I would if done while properly working out - but do you think I will notice some of the unbelievable increase in gains that are associated with anabolic steroids? And if so - in what way compared to if taken while body was fully peaked? And if not - what do you think I would expect to see happen?

Cheers!

[balance]

Before some of the really knowledgeable members can provide you excellent information they will need more information about you. For starters you mentioned you are “near my peak” what is your current height and weight? What were your stats when you believed to be near your natural potential peak/limit. How long did you train for to reach that and what does your diet look like. With that information the folks here can really get you pointed in an excellent direction.

b

[-Ender-]

Hi,

I'm thinking of trying my first cycle of anabolic steroids. From the research I did online, I'm thinking of going with 400mg/week Test. E. and then Nolvadex for PCT or if symptoms occur. Open to advice on whether that's a solid plan, or extremely stupid and naive one.


I'm 24, and yes, I know it's may seem like a reckless idea and a risky attempt to make gains quick - but I'm at that point in life- where it's either steroids or no gym, because I'm just bored of life, and don't really care what happens,

Exercise and resistance training are staples in the lifestyles of the members here. The people in this place train because they enjoy it. Your post reads as though training is not forefront in your mind. Your above statement is frankly an admission of a destructive and careless attitude.

You won't find answers for the scenarios that you inquire about because every individual is different.
With the limited stats that you have provided it is impossible to gauge where you may end up.

HOWEVER, I can state: It is of little use to use anabolics if your training and diet are not of main concern.

[GearHeaded]

premium race fuel won't do a whole lot in an old Ford Escort (besides waste $).. however it can make a big difference in a race tuned Ferrari .

heck you don't even own a car yet ,, let alone need to decide what type of high end race gas you should use

[AR's King Silabolin]

Steroids are a bad solution for depression. Pissing in your trouses when freezing.
Coming off is hard enough for guys who have everything in place.

If roids are your only motivation to train, u will loose it all when u come off. But it will not stop. At the end of the day u will end up worse than now.
In addition to even more depressive thaugths.

Nolvadex for pct or/ if symptoms occur?
Hm..that statement tells me you do not have enough knowledge yet.
Nolvadex will not stop the aromatization.

Hormones are not magic pills. They just realize real effort.

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[AlphaMindz]

I couldn't agree more with what's been said.

What is the ideal scenario here for you, that you find the keys to your happiness and success while on cycle lol? I assure you that steroids are not going to make your life easier, but conversely if you don't have your shit together they're going to make it harder...in the end. Yes, IF your test levels are low you're going to feel better until you get used to it and then you're back at square one except now you're dependent on exogenous hormones to feel good.

It's not a good choice, I assure you. The thinking behind this is similar to a drug addict's thinking, and although steroids are not addictive like a traditional substance ie opioids, they are addictive and can cause very real issues....and that's in people who are on top of their shit and fully know what they're doing. You are new to this and have only a vague idea of what you're doing.

I would go to a doctor and see if you need exo test as you may be deficient and that may be causing this feeling of indifference in the first place. If that's the case you'll get properly dosed exo test supervised by a doctor and he'll manage your other key hormones as well which is important..

Given where you're at in your life atm I wouldn't start messing with injecting hormones as you can really fuck yourself up bro. I'm not even preaching either you're free to do what you want but if you were my boy and we hung out I'd be on you about it and make sure you went to a doc and got checked out. Take it or leave it man but that's my advice, good luck.

[pikminman]

To clarify - I am aware that it's not a great idea, and I don't expect to be superman suddenly if I inject myself and go back to bed with a big mac.

Before some of the really knowledgeable members can provide you excellent information they will need more information about you. For starters you mentioned you are “near my peak” what is your current height and weight? What were your stats when you believed to be near your natural potential peak/limit. How long did you train for to reach that and what does your diet look like. With that information the folks here can really get you pointed in an excellent direction.

b

Oh no, I'm not near my peak now, but was when I was working out. I'm 5'9" and could bench my weight and squat over double.

Exercise and resistance training are staples in the lifestyles of the members here. The people in this place train because they enjoy it. Your post reads as though training is not forefront in your mind. Your above statement is frankly an admission of a destructive and careless attitude.

You won't find answers for the scenarios that you inquire about because every individual is different.
With the limited stats that you have provided it is impossible to gauge where you may end up.

HOWEVER, I can state: It is of little use to use anabolics if your training and diet are not of main concern.

This forum might happen to consist of users who are dead-serious about training, due to the fact that the majority of people who take steroids surely train hard - but that doesn't (or shouldn't) mean that people who aren't as serious are not welcome, so I don't see the relevance of the start of your reply.

This is called forums.steroids.com - I came here for steroids advice.

Anyway, I was very serious about diet and weight-training - about a year ago. And I am in the process of getting just as serious - if not more- present day - but with the addiction of steroids. And I'm asking here to see what effect you guys think steroid would have on someone who hasn't trained for a year are is starting back.

Steroids are a bad solution for depression. Pissing in your trouses when freezing.
Coming off is hard enough for guys who have everything in place.

If roids are your only motivation to train, u will loose it all when u come off. But it will not stop. At the end of the day u will end up worse than now.
In addition to even more depressive thaugths.

Nolvadex for pct or/ if symptoms occur?
Hm..that statement tells me you do not have enough knowledge yet.
Nolvadex will not stop the aromatization.

Hormones are not magic pills. They just realize real effort.

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Hmm, is it really that bad? Never thought of that, cheers I'll keep it in mind! Wouldn't a good PCT help most of those negative effects though? Also, I read somewhere that you shouldn't use Aromasin first time.

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Anyway, for argument's sake, can everyone assume I'm a test subject, and just forget about whatever my motives are - I'll rephrase the question with that in mind:

How would a 24 year-old human male's body respond to the first-time use of anabolic steroids, given that he has been not working out (and his diet was not bad, but not good) for the past year; but, had previously reached his peak when he stopped working out last year. (Assuming that's the case, for argument's sake). And that he is planning on training full-force, has started intermittent fasting and will continue, and with eat healthily (200g protein/day, low carbs, good fat etc).

[pikminman]

Thanks for your reply, I appreciate the advice!! But I have no problem with addiction, steroids are like paracetamol to me in terms of addictiveness lol. And I don't reallllly care if I get addicted, or if they fuck me up. I don't really value my life as much as most people do. I haven't for the past few years. So I'm like, fuck it, may aswell roid-up and see what happens. Anything's better than boredom ya know - new experiences, good or bad. I was just asking what you guys thought the physical result would be.

[redz]

I hope you learn to love yourself depression is no joke. I’ve been there before, coming off steroids while depressed is a slippery slip too. I hope you seek out the help you need to get healthy mentally before doing something reckless.

[Windex]

Giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are serious and not a troll, here is the reality:

To put it bluntly, your idea is stupid. Minus the muscle memory (which in itself is debatable), you are basically starting from scratch. No base = easy injuries using steroids. You are bringing a plastic spoon to a gun fight with your body.

Steroids are not rec drugs, there is no physiological or biological addiction to them. The only type of potential addiction is psychological and that stems from wanting to maintain a specific physique, which is not applicable in your case.

If you are looking for some type of validation on your idea, you won't get it from members here. Giving advice to someone who shouldn't be using is both irresponsible and disrespectful - two traits you won't find from the members of the board.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Thanks for your reply, I appreciate the advice!! But I have no problem with addiction, steroids are like paracetamol to me in terms of addictiveness lol. And I don't reallllly care if I get addicted, or if they fuck me up. I don't really value my life as much as most people do. I haven't for the past few years. So I'm like, fuck it, may aswell roid-up and see what happens. Anything's better than boredom ya know - new experiences, good or bad. I was just asking what you guys thought the physical result would be.

Actually i have been there myself. When u just dont care anymore. All u got left is to shoot high amounts of gear and be the king in the gym for a period. And maybe this sensation will fix other prolemes aswell.

Well. This is the most serious steroid board in the world, so as windex said. U will hardly get advices from this boards members.

All the info u need can be found though. Google it, homie. As Kali Muscle says.
But...its more personall to get one to one advices. I think we all agree on that one.

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[-Ender-]

To clarify - I am aware that it's not a great idea.



This forum might happen to consist of users who are dead-serious about training, due to the fact that the majority of people who take steroids surely train hard - but that doesn't (or shouldn't) mean that people who aren't as serious are not welcome, so I don't see the relevance of the start of your reply.

This is called forums.steroids.com - I came here for steroids advice. how about listening to it then?

Anyway, I was very serious about diet and weight-training - about a year ago. And I am in the process of getting just as serious - if not more- present day - but with the addiction of steroids. And I'm asking here to see what effect you guys think steroid would have on someone who hasn't trained for a year are

From your statement quoted in BOLD: It appears that you have answered you own question.

I'm very sorry that my my reply was not easily understood. Let me simplify it for you.
You need to be serious about your diet and training FIRST and FOREMOST.

You need to be near the peak of your natural physical ability before introducing Steroids.

You are asking about going at this ass backwards.

You are asking us what we think it will do to 24 year old male that doesn't train.

Well here's my answer: It's going to fuck up your HPTA by shutting down your natural testosterone production.
You are going to have minimal LBM gains. You are going run the risk of injury because your untrained body is unconditioned to handle the increase in strength. It's just a waste of time and worthless damage to your endocrine system.

To speak my mind with you OP: you say "I'm bored, so I'm just going to take steroids and see what happens"? Get you head out of your ass! The idea here on "the steroid board" is to do shit correctly.

[HoldMyBeer]

This question is more for the vets, and I'm pretty sure I already know what the answer is going to be.
Muscle memory and noobie gains with good diet and training, will be exactly the same with and without AAS correct? Since your body can only put on so much muscle at a time, and muscle building potential is already maximized having been away from the gym for so long?
AAS might add some superficial growth (water retention and what not), but that's about it, and it's going to disappear after the cycle

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[Friggnewtown]

I think I can speak about this a little bit considering I made this very decision on similar circumstances.
above all I was over the fat percent limit that is recommended, I'm lucky I made it out "alive"

I made stupid gains just using them and I mean to pun the stupid. I was taking Dianabol and not really training and I blew up just from use. I am not talking about bloat or water retention I was getting bigger by the day on Dbol. When I started feeling a long acting testosterone, although it was not as intense as the combo of Dianabol and Test together it was still pretty crazy. putting on 100 pounds on my dead lift in about a week and a half. Barbell Rowing weight that some people who have trained for years lift. On the flip side I went from 193 pounds to 220 with about a 247 pound peak. It was not pretty, People HAD to know I was on something that is a STUPID and I literally mean STUPID amount of weight to put on in such a short amount of time. Although my pumps were crazy and I could handle the astronomical body adjustment I had to stop my deadlifts at a particular weight. My back felt terrible as I tried to lift more, I knew without a doubt that my muscles were handling the change but my back, guts, tendons, ligaments, etc were not accelerating as fast. That means yes. If your not conditioned you will hurt yourself while trying to lift to much. I mean that can happen even to a natural lifter any day but adding 100 pounds to a deadlift in a week while still feeling like I could handle more is unnatural and if I kept increasing weight I could have blown a disc doing something really dumb.

It wasn't a successful cycle. despite increasing my shirt size and keeping a fair amount of gains my shoulders and back decreased in size a little bit. That was due to my shoulders and upper back returning back to normal levels of androgen where while on cycle you blow up to potentially 7 times the amount or more of testosterone.

Looking back I wish I waited. I lift at the gym still and I still love it. I get excited to lift because I'm looking forward to my next cycle. But I did it while over weight and did it while fallowing probably the same guide you read before I got here on this forum. I got here after my cycle looking for PCT help. So far I got away with it but the end result was less then ideal. As much as I don't want to admit it, its the truth. I had experience of lifting before as well. With about 4 years of no training and slowly getting fat. I had the same idea as you. Fuck it take steroids because I "know how to lift". No I was wrong.

If you want to have the feeling of doing something "dangerous" or something "crazy" Look into growth Hormones or Cardarine. Not SARMS because they can potentially shut down your system. Low amounts of quality Growth Hormone will give you the thrill of injecting while not breaking the bank. 2ui of good growth hormone is PLENTY so you can save a little money. Cardarine doesnt shut down and not only aid with fat loss but helps build muscle. Growth Hormone will help you with actual permanent gains, no worry about PCT, hardly any worry about Gyno or hair loss AND your skin will return to that of a 17 year old. Sharpens your brain and reorganizes your cells. Growth Hormone is the shit.

do that and keep away from a cycle until you have a solid year and a half to two years of continuous training and diet. Stay here and learn. There are a few members who havent cycled yet but lurk here to prepare and learn. Join the club.

DONT do anything stupid. I hope you read this.

P.S
I wrote this super quick, no time to proof read. my bad.

[pikminman]

Actually i have been there myself. When u just dont care anymore. All u got left is to shoot high amounts of gear and be the king in the gym for a period. And maybe this sensation will fix other prolemes aswell.

Well. This is the most serious steroid board in the world, so as windex said. U will hardly get advices from this boards members.

All the info u need can be found though. Google it, homie. As Kali Muscle says.
But...its more personall to get one to one advices. I think we all agree on that one.

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Yeah man, you seem to get me.

I'm shocked at how many of you can't grasp the idea of what I'm doing.

Metaphorically, instead of a noose , I'm intending on using steroids. It's like "Hmm, may aswell jack up on testosterone for the lols to see what happens".

Yes, it's reckless and will lead to bad things, but that's what the noose is for.

I was just asking for insights on the biological aspect of a "regular" guy taking steroids. From the replies, the general consensus seems to be that they would fuck me up. I can't help but feel like that's a bit exaggerated.

In reality, I believe what will happen is:

I'll make insane gains quicker that I've ever seen. I'm sure I'll hurt and damage joints and tendons from the sudden increase in strength. I'll most likely develop gyno (as I already have "puffy" nipples i.e. mild gyno). I'll go fully bald (as I'm already badly receding).

Then, coming off - I'll see 90% of my gains disappear, get very depressed, but at least I'll have the 10% when it's done - and that's could encourage me to keep lifting. Although my test. levels probably with have a hard time returning to normal, but the Nolvadex or Aromasin might help that.

Does that seem realistic? I'm genuinely asking.

(keep in mind that I'm fully prepared to get full gyno and couldn't give a fuck)

[pikminman]

I think I can speak about this a little bit considering I made this very decision on similar circumstances.
above all I was over the fat percent limit that is recommended, I'm lucky I made it out "alive"

I made stupid gains just using them and I mean to pun the stupid. I was taking Dianabol and not really training and I blew up just from use. I am not talking about bloat or water retention I was getting bigger by the day on Dbol. When I started feeling a long acting testosterone, although it was not as intense as the combo of Dianabol and Test together it was still pretty crazy. putting on 100 pounds on my dead lift in about a week and a half. Barbell Rowing weight that some people who have trained for years lift. On the flip side I went from 193 pounds to 220 with about a 247 pound peak. It was not pretty, People HAD to know I was on something that is a STUPID and I literally mean STUPID amount of weight to put on in such a short amount of time. Although my pumps were crazy and I could handle the astronomical body adjustment I had to stop my deadlifts at a particular weight. My back felt terrible as I tried to lift more, I knew without a doubt that my muscles were handling the change but my back, guts, tendons, ligaments, etc were not accelerating as fast. That means yes. If your not conditioned you will hurt yourself while trying to lift to much. I mean that can happen even to a natural lifter any day but adding 100 pounds to a deadlift in a week while still feeling like I could handle more is unnatural and if I kept increasing weight I could have blown a disc doing something really dumb.

It wasn't a successful cycle. despite increasing my shirt size and keeping a fair amount of gains my shoulders and back decreased in size a little bit. That was due to my shoulders and upper back returning back to normal levels of androgen where while on cycle you blow up to potentially 7 times the amount or more of testosterone.

Looking back I wish I waited. I lift at the gym still and I still love it. I get excited to lift because I'm looking forward to my next cycle. But I did it while over weight and did it while fallowing probably the same guide you read before I got here on this forum. I got here after my cycle looking for PCT help. So far I got away with it but the end result was less then ideal. As much as I don't want to admit it, its the truth. I had experience of lifting before as well. With about 4 years of no training and slowly getting fat. I had the same idea as you. Fuck it take steroids because I "know how to lift". No I was wrong.

If you want to have the feeling of doing something "dangerous" or something "crazy" Look into growth Hormones or Cardarine. Not SARMS because they can potentially shut down your system. Low amounts of quality Growth Hormone will give you the thrill of injecting while not breaking the bank. 2ui of good growth hormone is PLENTY so you can save a little money. Cardarine doesnt shut down and not only aid with fat loss but helps build muscle. Growth Hormone will help you with actual permanent gains, no worry about PCT, hardly any worry about Gyno or hair loss AND your skin will return to that of a 17 year old. Sharpens your brain and reorganizes your cells. Growth Hormone is the shit.

do that and keep away from a cycle until you have a solid year and a half to two years of continuous training and diet. Stay here and learn. There are a few members who havent cycled yet but lurk here to prepare and learn. Join the club.

DONT do anything stupid. I hope you read this.

P.S
I wrote this super quick, no time to proof read. my bad.

Damn, I wish I heard about growth hormone before. Sounds like it's the shit.

Thanks for the input, it really is a very similar situation.

Could you give me an honest answer to this though: if you went back in time to before you started your first cycle, and could choose either A) to do it and start the cycle, or B) not do it, but never work out again - which would it be?

Because it's one or the other for me.

[Test Monsterone]

You're an idiot if you take steroids without having trained in a long time. First of all, your cardio will be garbage, and then on top of that you're puttin on more weight, very quickly. You should work out for at least 6 months consistently to gain back what you lost, before even thinking about steroids. Sorry dude, that's just my opinion.

[Ashop]

Hi,

I'm thinking of trying my first cycle of anabolic steroids. From the research I did online, I'm thinking of going with 400mg/week Test. E. and then Nolvadex for PCT or if symptoms occur. Open to advice on whether that's a solid plan, or extremely stupid and naive one.

Anyway, my main question here is:

What do you think the ramifications will be for someone to try anabolic steroids for the first time ever - if they haven't been working out at all for about 1.5 years?

Before that, I was working out pretty consistently for a good few years and during that time gains became very rare (i.e. I was near my peak).

I'm 24, and yes, I know it's may seem like a reckless idea and a risky attempt to make gains quick - but I'm at that point in life- where it's either steroids or no gym, because I'm just bored of life, and don't really care what happens, and also, I am not going through all that gym work again just to get to where I was.

I'd assume I wouldn't make nearly as many gains as I would if done while properly working out - but do you think I will notice some of the unbelievable increase in gains that are associated with anabolic steroids? And if so - in what way compared to if taken while body was fully peaked? And if not - what do you think I would expect to see happen?

Cheers!

I would suggest you get into a gym and get a solid 6months of continuous training under your belt before its even a thought to cycle.

[Friggnewtown]

Damn, I wish I heard about growth hormone before. Sounds like it's the shit.

Thanks for the input, it really is a very similar situation.

Could you give me an honest answer to this though: if you went back in time to before you started your first cycle, and could choose either A) to do it and start the cycle, or B) not do it, but never work out again - which would it be?

Because it's one or the other for me.

Not many options with A or B. I'd have to pick A however if an option C was workout and wait to cycle that's the best. On this forum it's a purist forum. Your only going to get purist responses for better or for worse. Times change but taking the proven methods is safe.

Look up Formula Secrets on YouTube. Kai has a VERY different philosophy when it comes to steroids and testosterone. He is educated and his opinion is validated. He is more new school and is "hip" with new methods and such. However... He himself will say. Practice safety, use knowledge and have a backup plan. Prepare for the worst because it might just happen and I'm not kidding.

Kai with Formula Secrets doesn't think you need to have a foundation to use steroids. You can't be fat though and you still very much need to know what your doing. Above all doing steroids and not training will definitely just get you fat.

[Obs]

We all have one thing in common, we are here to improve ourselves via effort.

I could give you the iron brotherhood disambiguation but you wouldn't get it because you are a late generation y'er that wants shit to fall in his lap.

I dont say this to anyone ever, you are on the wrong board. I strive to get new dedicated members to join. You couldn't be dedicated to anything other than self satisfaction via the path of least resistance.

You get what you put in, minimal will always begat minimal.

Btw, no this is not some open minded place that helps burnouts at 24 years old, (lmao!) take the easy way out.

The others have shown you full respect, but you are not my brother. Imo you need a good hard kick in the teeth from life like I got at the age of 12.

This is AAS!
Its for people who wish to achieve the greatest, not mediocre slagoffs puds.

There is this site called facebook, you should go check it out.

[Friggnewtown]

Being down doesn't mean what your saying. Man I've battled depression my whole life due to how I was brought up. It's a real thing and maybe that in it of itself is why people fall thru the cracks.

It's a fork in the road and honestly modern methods and continued evolution and growth of steroid ideology is as common as an astro physicist discovering new planets or information about black holes. Just when you think you know it all another generation takes it further. Not all generations can be "perfect" fuck not to long ago it was OK to have farming slaves in America. Damn it being of generation Y is so beyond the point.


To the OP
In all honesty look into HGH or Cardarine. In all seriousness it could be a good deal breaker as you continue to learn about AAS. Spend a couple months preparing and reading other people's threads here or anywhere. Learning from someones mistakes (including mine) will help you understand why you should wait. Reading successes might motivate you to start working out again, just thinking of how good that cycle will be. Also seriously take a moment to Check out Formula Secrets on YouTube.

[Obs]

Being down doesn't mean what your saying. Man I've battled depression my whole life due to how I was brought up. It's a real thing and maybe that in it of itself is why people fall thru the cracks.

It's a fork in the road and honestly modern methods and continued evolution and growth of steroid ideology is as common as an astro physicist discovering new planets or information about black holes. Just when you think you know it all another generation takes it further. Not all generations can be "perfect" fuck not to long ago it was OK to have farming slaves in America. Damn it being of generation Y is so beyond the point.


To the OP
In all honesty look into HGH or Cardarine. In all seriousness it could be a good deal breaker as you continue to learn about AAS. Spend a couple months preparing and reading other people's threads here or anywhere. Learning from someones mistakes (including mine) will help you understand why you should wait. Reading successes might motivate you to start working out again, just thinking of how good that cycle will be. Also seriously take a moment to Check out Formula Secrets on YouTube.

Damn if I am not so open minded...

You dont lift you dont get shit.

You are right about the mindset though.

Beast or a bitch?

Every generation sucks by the way.
There are none as big of pussies as this one though.

[Friggnewtown]

Damn if I am not so open minded...

You dont lift you dont get shit.

You are right about the mindset though.

Beast or a bitch?

Every generation sucks by the way.
There are none as big of pussies as this one though.

Obs as much as I respect your information and knowledge. You do not know me.
I don't get shit? like what? I don't lift? just where in your right state of mind did this come from?

Lifting to me is easy. but it'll take two or three years to show hard work no matter what steroids or not. I'm sorry but I've been through to much in my life to accept this comment. I'll harvest information from you... but as your personality... It's a bit to much. that's the impression your giving me. I'm not impressed and far from offended. I laughed when I read this.

[Obs]

Obs as much as I respect your information and knowledge. You do not know me.
I don't get shit? like what? I don't lift? just where in your right state of mind did this come from?

Lifting to me is easy. but it'll take two or three years to show hard work no matter what steroids or not. I'm sorry but I've been through to much in my life to accept this comment. I'll harvest information from you... but as your personality... It's a bit to much. that's the impression your giving me. I'm not impressed and far from offended. I laughed when I read this.

No no no sir that was directed at the op.
I also laid it out wrong.

What I meant was If you dont lift, you dont get shit.

I had that aimed at the OP for trying to juice without lifting. My apologies sincerely

Totally misconstrued....

Sometimes when I use lack of proper grammar and punctuation I come off like a dickbag unintentionally. I meant to be a dickbag to the other guy. Not you

[pikminman]

We all have one thing in common, we are here to improve ourselves via effort.

I could give you the iron brotherhood disambiguation but you wouldn't get it because you are a late generation y'er that wants shit to fall in his lap.

I dont say this to anyone ever, you are on the wrong board. I strive to get new dedicated members to join. You couldn't be dedicated to anything other than self satisfaction via the path of least resistance.

You get what you put in, minimal will always begat minimal.

Btw, no this is not some open minded place that helps burnouts at 24 years old, (lmao!) take the easy way out.

The others have shown you full respect, but you are not my brother. Imo you need a good hard kick in the teeth from life like I got at the age of 12.

This is AAS!
Its for people who wish to achieve the greatest, not mediocre slagoffs puds.

There is this site called facebook, you should go check it out.

I'm not saying it will let me take the easy way out - I'm saying it will most probably fuck me up big time. Did you even read the OP?

I'm asking about the biology ; as in what would happen to a male in my situation if he started a cycle of steroids. So save me your childish prejudice, nobody asked to hear it.

And no, this forum is not only for people who wish to achieve the greatest - it's for information on steroids, it's not a cult.

Yeah, okay cool, I'm a burnout and failure - that's irrelevant and certainly not something to be looked down on for. And anyway, you don't think burnouts got more than their share of "kicks in the teeth"? Sometimes it's good to think before you type.

[Obs]

I'm not saying it will let me take the easy way out - I'm saying it will most probably fuck me up big time. Did you even read the OP?

I'm asking about the biology ; as in what would happen to a male in my situation if he started a cycle of steroids. So save me your childish prejudice, nobody asked to hear it.

And no, this forum is not only for people who wish to achieve the greatest - it's for information on steroids, it's not a cult.

Yeah, okay cool, I'm a burnout and failure - that's irrelevant and certainly not something to be looked down on for. And anyway, you don't think burnouts got more than their share of "kicks in the teeth"? Sometimes it's good to think before you type.

Nope.
Lay down your vagina and pick up your balls.

[pikminman]

Not many options with A or B. I'd have to pick A however if an option C was workout and wait to cycle that's the best. On this forum it's a purist forum. Your only going to get purist responses for better or for worse. Times change but taking the proven methods is safe.

Look up Formula Secrets on YouTube. Kai has a VERY different philosophy when it comes to steroids and testosterone. He is educated and his opinion is validated. He is more new school and is "hip" with new methods and such. However... He himself will say. Practice safety, use knowledge and have a backup plan. Prepare for the worst because it might just happen and I'm not kidding.

Kai with Formula Secrets doesn't think you need to have a foundation to use steroids. You can't be fat though and you still very much need to know what your doing. Above all doing steroids and not training will definitely just get you fat.

Hmm, sounds reasonable, I've actually made insane progress in the gym the past week since starting back, with any juice, so I might wait the 6 months.

And cheers Friggnewtown, I'll look up Kai right now!

[Obs]

You think you are burnt out at 24 because you are a pussy.

Have a great day.
Actually have whatever kind of day you are handed. Its not like you have the stones to make it anything you want.

[pikminman]

Oh so you're sexist too? If I had to guess I'd say you're either a 14 year-old moron, or a 60 year-old moron. Am I right?

[pikminman]

Yes, I am a pussy, and my life is shit. We've established that already man. Nobody's denying that.

[Obs]

Yes, I am a pussy, and my life is shit. We've established that already man. Nobody's denying that.

Grow some balls!
Trying to help you!
Light a fire!
Kick some ass!
Dont ask for things, take them
Break shit that gets in your way
Set goals and exceed them.

Feel like sitting down? take off running.
Punish yourself!

It becomes normal after a while.
Try it

[GearHeaded]

I'm asking about the biology ; as in what would happen to a male in my situation if he started a cycle of steroids. .

well there are studies that have been done on non-lifters taking supra-physiological levels of Testosterone (believe it was 600mg per week).
its really not that hard to figure out what will biologically happen (its a pretty well documented and observable science) ,
now what will happen mentally to you, umm thats anyones guess , who knows

[Obs]

Oh so you're sexist too? If I had to guess I'd say you're either a 14 year-old moron, or a 60 year-old moron. Am I right?

32 years old 7 kids, own my own bisiness, have a good life for the first time ever. I wasted my life until 30.

This mindset I am trying to make you understand is why I am not like you anymore.
I was a suicidal little bitch.
I get better every day. Stronger, more determined.

I am a sexist too.
Like 3 times a day.

[Obs]

well there are studies that have been done on non-lifters taking supra-physiological levels of Testosterone (believe it was 600mg per week).
its really not that hard to figure out what will biologically happen (its a pretty well documented and observable science) ,
now what will happen mentally to you, umm thats anyones guess , who knows

I believe the average was like 6lbs of gain on 500mg of test without exercise

[GearHeaded]

I believe the average was like 6lbs of gain on 500mg of test without exercise

thats about what I remember reading

[charger69]

premium race fuel won't do a whole lot in an old Ford Escort (besides waste $).. however it can make a big difference in a race tuned Ferrari .

heck you don't even own a car yet ,, let alone need to decide what type of high end race gas you should use

GH - are you calling me an old Ford Escort? LOL
I just couldn’t resist.


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[charger69]

Op- with all due respect, it appears you do not want advice, it appears that you want people to agree with you. No one seems to.
You have had very knowledgeable people give you advice and you have rejected it.

I am neutral and your decisions are yours. I am just providing my perception. I listen to the advice that everyone provides, analyze it and then make a decision based on my knowledge of my body. Usually, it is a combo of input received.

Just some things to think about.


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[GearHeaded]

GH - are you calling me an old Ford Escort? LOL
I just couldn’t resist.

how about old race tuned Ferrari .. got some Italian in your blood ?

[charger69]

how about old race tuned Ferrari .. got some Italian in your blood ?

No. How about a mopar 440 HP with a six pack and a 351 Dana rear end with an altered tranny. Nothing special, but kicks ass!!
All that in the General Lee- 1969 Dodge Charger R/T


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[Aerospace]

24 you're fine, start anabolics.
500mg Testosterone Ethanate (split in half doses, Monday and Thursday for example)
50 mg of Dianabol every day (morning and evening/pre-workout split doses)
Could add Deca 300mg in split doses with testosterone