Something more than TRT

[doctorcoctor]

Hello guys !

Soz for the long read in advance

I am 25, lifting for 8 years, no previous exp with AS.

I am planning on doing 200-300mg/w of test prop. I want to inject EOD. With that i want to use 500iu/w hcg + some AI. I am choosing propionate because i have low SHGB and i have read that frequent injections would be better + I want to have as stable tst levels as possible due to lower side effects and better ''feel''.

I want to do this for the rest of my life and i might do some blasts eventually. I want to use the lowest possible dose which would keep my levels mildly supraphysiological notjing extreme so that the sides are very mild to none. I plan to check my hematocrit and if it gets out of control i would donate blood. Same goes for yearly prostate exams. I will be checking my cholesterol levels too, is there anything else i should be monitoring ?

I want to do this because i have low t and i also have low t symptoms. My main goal is to feel the best - better sleep,sex drive, erections, less anxiety and all that good stuff that test brings to the table. Building muscle would be more like a good side effect of this rather than my goal.

I might be adding proviron 25mg ED for better libido/erections but that would be later on when i figure how iI do on test only. What do you think about that ?

My questions:

1.How long after first injection should i wait and do blood work ? I was thinking like 1 month ?
2.How do i know that my HCG dose is right ? Only by checking my ball size and if they do not shrink I would be fine ?
Next, I have seen someone injecting HCG and Test in one injection IM. Would this be ok to do to reduce the amount of injection ? Can i inject them together ?
3.Which AI would you recommend me? Aromasin or arimedex ? I have read that Aromasin further reduces the SHGB hormone and i already have low SHGB levels so adex might be a better go ?
Doses i wanted to do would be : 12.5mg of Aromasin ED or arimedex: 0.125 mg EOD - would this be correct dosage or is it too much/low ?(These are just the starting doses, i will be adjusting according to how i feel and blood work ofc.)


Thank you all for any advice or input

[GearHeaded]

if you really have low T , why isn't your doctor or a TRT clinic getting you set up on a proper TRT protocol ? rather then you depending on Internet trolls to help you

I understand steroid use, as no doctor out there has the knowledge or the professionalism to really deal with steroid use (as its frowned upon), but TRT is very common and easy to get treated for. finding a doc isn't a problem.

also. a larger percentage of your questions and concerns have to do with an AI . why? you don't even know if you would ever even need an AI on trt.
thats why if your 'really' going to do real TRT it should be monitored by a doc and blood work.


please don't confuse real TRT , with blasting and cruising. if your a gym rat and the whole "trt" excuse thing is just your way of justifying taking gear year round,, then thats totally fine. just admit that and don't pretend you need 'trt' (which is a treatment for a medical condition).

[kelkel]

Curious what your T levels are?
Have you tried to determine the reason they're low?

[GearHeaded]

IF you want to get serious about your training, and you've decided you want to start cycling gear, and blasting and cruising for the long term year after year.
thats totally fine. your decision. but thats not TRT. I was on doctor prescribed TRT about 9 years or so ago. I since moved on for the last 7 or so years to just blasting and cruising. being I blast and cruise I no longer pretend to be on TRT (even though I was diagnosed and prescribed)

to be bluntly honest - I'm no longer on TRT , I just take gear year round.

[kelkel]

to be bluntly honest - I'm no longer on TRT , I just take gear year round.

Wait...........what???????????????

[GearHeaded]

Wait...........what???????????????

lol, surprise surprise everybody

[diesel101]

to be bluntly honest - I'm no longer on TRT , I just take gear year round.

People actually do that??????????

[GearHeaded]

I'm just bringing up the point mainly cause I seen "Youthfulguy" over on the TRT section bring up a good point awhile back.. too many guys are blurring the lines between 'year round gear use' and valid medically prescribed 'trt'..
one of them is to provid physical and performance enhancements, and the other one is to treat a medical condition. I really think it would set the context better if people that blast and cruise just consider themselves AAS users, and not TRT patients.
just my opinion that I've come to as of late . I think cruising and trt being blended together can be confusing to a lot of people

[GearHeaded]

the goal of TRT is generally to have "Normal" hormone levels (because when you were diagnosed things were not normal)
your doctor wants to see 'normal' testosterone levels, estrogen levels, shbg, hematocrit etc.. he is going to prescribe or adjust dosages to keep things normal.

the goal of an AAS user is generally to have NOT 'normal' hormone levels (we are looking for supra physiological off the chart ranges which increase performance by multitudes of percentage points).
in general we want to see testosterone levels 20x off the charts, estrogen levels above normal, RBC and hematocrit elevated, etc..
for the most part.

so the goals of TRT vs someone on gear year round , is much different. but it seems the lines between the two are getting blurred, and people are using 'trt' as a performance enhancement protocol when it was never intended for that

[GearHeaded]

so the goals of TRT vs someone on gear year round , is much different. but it seems the lines between the two are getting blurred, and people are using 'trt' as a performance enhancement protocol when it was never intended for that

The OP's post is evidence of this 'blurring the line' between AAS use and TRT. heck the name of the thread is 'something more' then TRT".
he clearly has been training for years and now wants to move on to training enhanced with steroids. its that simple. why does the word TRT need to even be brought up here ?
if it was real TRT, why isn't he in a doctors office rather then posting on a forum with a bunch of juice heads .

see the lines between TRT and AAS use is being blurred. the whole TRT subject just makes your steroid use sound a little more politically correct and justified is all.
instead of saying "I'm on the juice" , you can say "I'm on TRT .. its a medical condition, I need it to live"

[ScotchGuard02]

see the lines between TRT and AAS use is being blurred. the whole TRT subject just makes your steroid use sound a little more politically correct and justified is all.
instead of saying "I'm on the juice" , you can say "I'm on TRT .. its a medical condition, I need it to live"

I'm caught in this trap and totally understand this conundrum. First of all, AAS is illegal. Smart government people can make some dumb laws. Second, there is a real and tangible taboo on the use of PED's. Regardless of your personal belief, the current social and political correctness denounce anyone who uses PED. One can work their butt off in the gym and because he ran a cycle AAS, all of his blood, sweat, and tears are brushed away in a "Oh, he's on steroids". The average public has NO freaking idea how much discipline and work it takes to be at 7% bf, muscular and lean lean lean.

As a consequence, when someone asks me "are you on juice?" I say, "I'm on TRT". Simple and they don't ask any more questions.

[Couchlockd]

My name is "A" , I once was prescribed, it turned into my first cycle.

I'm not on TRT, I'm just on year round now.

That actually felt good to say.

Everyone should try that

[BG]

too many guys are blurring the lines between 'year round gear use' and valid medically prescribed 'trt'..

Been going on a for a long time but the past few years on a heavy rise. It gives someone a way to justify continual gear use.

[BG]

My name is "A" , I once was prescribed, it turned into my first cycle.

I'm not on TRT, I'm just on year round now.

That actually felt good to say.

Everyone should try that

Lmao!