What are some signs that test e is legit?

[Mh98]

I know the best way is to get bloods done but due to some reasons with my doc I can't get those at the moment. What are some other signs that show that test e is legit and doing what it's supposed to be.

BTW I'm gaining weight, libido is non existent due to letro and some gyno complications but physically not seeing much difference.
Any feedback is appreciated

[Jerry2020]

For me it’s easy to tell. About 10 days in I can feel an incredible performance increase in the gym, more reps just come so easily and strength starts to go up. I also get slightly oily skin and have wood pretty much all night and when I wake up.

There’s a ton of individual responses but if you’re on a good amount of legit Test I think you should notice pretty easily even without bloods

[Couchlockd]

I know the best way is to get bloods done but due to some reasons with my doc I can't get those at the moment. What are some other signs that show that test e is legit and doing what it's supposed to be.

BTW I'm gaining weight, libido is non existent due to letro and some gyno complications but physically not seeing much difference.
Any feedback is appreciated

Drop the letro and use nolva.

Also I want yo point out it's a very very foolish thing to do, using the most potent AI in the world and questioning if your test is legit.

Your treating a side effect with a nuclear war head when the side effects might not even be real.

Now to original question.

Oily skin
Increased libido
Water retention.

But the latter 2 will go un-noticed because of the letro crashing your e2.

[Ernst]

You can generally get bloods done independent of your doc. You can check online for clinics in your area that do this, or even send in blood you drew yourself.

Otherwise the proof is in the pudding. You say you're gaining weight and having gyno complications... those would point to there being at least something in the shots you're taking.

If you crush estrogen to nothing with a bunch of letro you will see less out of your cycle as well as inviting sides caused by low estrogen. This may help explain some of why you are less impressed than expected. I don't know what issues you're having or how bad they are but one might consider alternative means of estrogen control? Nolvadex will fight gyno without crushing estrogen. Run that as a primary with maybe a little Aromasin up to pct? Just a thought.

Diet and workouts may also play a role of course, since juice is more like supps that work than magic beans (I get the feeling you already know this, but some people reading need to see it).

[EDCG19]

Total/free test

I prefer to think of it like this, if you feel like a man and are a beast than you're on legit test

[Mh98]

Yeah man I wasn't sure on letro. 3 weeks into dbol and had a small sweetcorn sized lump under my right nipple nothing major or noticeable but just wanted it gone. Now 10 pills of letro in but still no change so I'm just considering living with it since only I know it's there. Might just stop and enjoy the effects of test e for now

[Mh98]

You can generally get bloods done independent of your doc. You can check online for clinics in your area that do this, or even send in blood you drew yourself.

Otherwise the proof is in the pudding. You say you're gaining weight and having gyno complications... those would point to there being at least something in the shots you're taking.

If you crush estrogen to nothing with a bunch of letro you will see less out of your cycle as well as inviting sides caused by low estrogen. This may help explain some of why you are less impressed than expected. I don't know what issues you're having or how bad they are but one might consider alternative means of estrogen control? Nolvadex will fight gyno without crushing estrogen. Run that as a primary with maybe a little Aromasin up to pct? Just a thought.

Diet and workouts may also play a role of course, since juice is more like supps that work than magic beans (I get the feeling you already know this, but some people reading need to see it).

Yeah man I wasn't sure on letro. 3 weeks into dbol and had a small sweetcorn sized lump under my right nipple nothing major or noticeable but just wanted it gone. Now 10 pills of letro in but still no change so I'm just considering living with it since only I know it's there. Might just stop and enjoy the effects of test e for now

[Mh98]

Drop the letro and use nolva.

Also I want yo point out it's a very very foolish thing to do, using the most potent AI in the world and questioning if your test is legit.

Your treating a side effect with a nuclear war head when the side effects might not even be real.

Now to original question.

Oily skin
Increased libido
Water retention.

But the latter 2 will go un-noticed because of the letro crashing your e2.

Yeah man I wasn't sure on letro. 3 weeks into dbol and had a small sweetcorn sized lump under my right nipple nothing major or noticeable but just wanted it gone. Now 10 pills of letro in but still no change so I'm just considering living with it since only I know it's there. Might just stop and enjoy the effects of test e for now

[Ernst]

I'd hit that lump with Nolvadex tablets right away. The test will aromatize just as sure as the dbol.

Next time you might consider running a small dose of a mild AI like Arimidex from the beginning and then ramp up if needed.

[Mh98]

I'd hit that lump with Nolvadex tablets right away. The test will aromatize just as sure as the dbol.

Next time you might consider running a small dose of a mild AI like Arimidex from the beginning and then ramp up if needed.

Yeah that's the thing. My arimidex was pharma grade and I was running it 0.5EOD but still got the lump without any symptoms like soreness of nipples or itchy nipples. Maybe I'm just extremely gyno prone and need nolva regardless of AI? I'm gonna run the same arimidex and nolva for the rest of my test cycle at 0.5EOD. Opinions?

[Ernst]

You can add nolva on top of the Adex. They will slightly reduce each others effectiveness but it is safe and effective. That said, if other estro sides or bloat are not an issue then Nolva alone may do it. In that case bring the adex back on board near the end leading up to pct.

Some of us are just very prone to gyno and/or estrogen sides. Such is life. Lower bodyfat can help reduce these issues as well.

[Mh98]

You can add nolva on top of the Adex. They will slightly reduce each others effectiveness but it is safe and effective. That said, if other estro sides or bloat are not an issue then Nolva alone may do it. In that case bring the adex back on board near the end leading up to pct.

Some of us are just very prone to gyno and/or estrogen sides. Such is life. Lower bodyfat can help reduce these issues as well.

Yeah it just sucks. Reading people not even needing AI on massive cycles and I need nolva and AI on a measly test dbol cycle. Anyways do you think the nolva will reverse the lump or will it just stop further growth? I've still got 6 weeks in my cycle then pct. Hopefully it doesn't get worse during pct then

[Couchlockd]

Yeah it just sucks. Reading people not even needing AI on massive cycles and I need nolva and AI on a measly test dbol cycle. Anyways do you think the nolva will reverse the lump or will it just stop further growth? I've still got 6 weeks in my cycle then pct. Hopefully it doesn't get worse during pct then

Dbol ain't no measly shit when it comes to estrogen. It converts to a far more potent type of estrogen than test does and at a higher rate.

[Chrisp83TRT]

Dbol ain't no measly shit when it comes to estrogen. It converts to a far more potent type of estrogen than test does and at a higher rate.

Agreed

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[redz]

.5mg arimidex eod is likely overkill still.

[Arcânn]

Yeah it just sucks. Reading people not even needing AI on massive cycles and I need nolva and AI on a measly test dbol cycle. Anyways do you think the nolva will reverse the lump or will it just stop further growth? I've still got 6 weeks in my cycle then pct. Hopefully it doesn't get worse during pct then

IDK if I've heard of anyone yet who took Dbol and didn't need an AI

[ScotchGuard02]

The best way to tell if Test is authentic is to run a cycle and see if you grow some muscles. If you gain 20lbs of muscles, it's good. I you end up in the hospital, it was bad.

LOL, that's why a legit and reputable source is so important.

[KennyJ]

I start getting better pumps and recovery time gets better as soon as 2 to 2 1/2 weeks. Also more vascularity, wood every morning.

[Test Monsterone]

I didn’t see any effects until around week 10 to be honest, but I started off on a trt dose and went up over the weeks to 800mg a week. I needed very little anti e as I had no noticeable estrogenic effects.

My strength did not go up and I didn’t see as much of a difference in my body - but people were saying I’m looking huge. I did not get any sexual sides, morning wood, etc. overall it was barely noticeable and only toward the end of the cycle.

[McGregor]

Gainz. I don't get any side effects from testosterone.

[KennyJ]

I didn’t see any effects until around week 10 to be honest, but I started off on a trt dose and went up over the weeks to 800mg a week. I needed very little anti e as I had no noticeable estrogenic effects.

My strength did not go up and I didn’t see as much of a difference in my body - but people were saying I’m looking huge. I did not get any sexual sides, morning wood, etc. overall it was barely noticeable and only toward the end of the cycle.

I'm not sure why your situation caused you to not be able to get bloodwork but next time I wouldn't run anything unless you knew you could get bloodwork. That way you will have everything laid out on paper right in front of you. I hope you have better luck next time around.

[JohnnyV85]

Drop the letro and use nolva.

Oily skin
Increased libido
Water retention.

But the latter 2 will go un-noticed because of the letro crashing your e2.

Crashing your e2 will reduce your libido?

[Ashop]

I know the best way is to get bloods done but due to some reasons with my doc I can't get those at the moment. What are some other signs that show that test e is legit and doing what it's supposed to be.

BTW I'm gaining weight, libido is non existent due to letro and some gyno complications but physically not seeing much difference.
Any feedback is appreciated

First of all are you using reputable product? If you have trust in your supplier, all should be good. Strength, size, libido, sense of well being all go up typically.

[Test Monsterone]

I'm not sure why your situation caused you to not be able to get bloodwork but next time I wouldn't run anything unless you knew you could get bloodwork. That way you will have everything laid out on paper right in front of you. I hope you have better luck next time around.

I actually ended up getting bloodwork at the end of week 9 and at the time I was on 450 mg/week. My levels showed around 1900 ng/dL total and 40-something free T. So the gear I was on was probably underdosed. Then, I switched gear to a different brand and started noticing effects. But by then I was already over 2 months in, and I ended it at 3 months. It wasn't a very spectacular cycle, I'll be honest, but I didn't want to gain a bunch of weight - I just wanted to recomp more than anything. I was already seeing my blood pressure go up and I would get the red upper chest doing anything. I started feeling little pains in my calfs and I ended it. Next time I'll be smarter about it.

[GearHeaded]

IDK if I've heard of anyone yet who took Dbol and didn't need an AI

I run 50+mg Dbol all the time and don't need to run an AI, even stacked with over a gram of test. its totally person dependent.

[Arcânn]

I run 50+mg Dbol all the time and don't need to run an AI, even stacked with over a gram of test. its totally person dependent.

Okay, that's one person haha. That's insane though.

[GearHeaded]

Okay, that's one person haha. That's insane though.

well it only seems insane because you've been conditioned by Internet forums advocating AI use.. you may think that driving a car without a seat belt is insane too, but there were decades of time when cars were not even built with seat belts.

Plenty of guys ran lots of Dbol without an AI because they hadn't even been invented yet. Test and Dbol with no AI was perfectly acceptable back in the 60s, 70s and even the 80s (again because there were no AI's).

of course an AI can be a beneficial 'tool' depending on the context and circumstances. buy guys ran AAS for decades without AI's and did just fine
(and these same guys would chew on Dbols all day and take a half a bottle pre workout)

[KennyJ]

well it only seems insane because you've been conditioned by Internet forums advocating AI use.. you may think that driving a car without a seat belt is insane too, but there were decades of time when cars were not even built with seat belts.

Plenty of guys ran lots of Dbol without an AI because they hadn't even been invented yet. Test and Dbol with no AI was perfectly acceptable back in the 60s, 70s and even the 80s (again because there were no AI's).

of course an AI can be a beneficial 'tool' depending on the context and circumstances. buy guys ran AAS for decades without AI's and did just fine
(and these same guys would chew on Dbols all day and take a half a bottle pre workout)

When exactly did AI's become such a must for so many people from day 1 of a cycle?

I don't seem to remember them being so popular even 10 years ago when I did a couple of small cycles. They may have already been very popular then but I don't remember it

[GearHeaded]

When exactly did AI's become such a must for so many people from day 1 of a cycle?

I don't seem to remember them being so popular even 10 years ago when I did a couple of small cycles. They may have already been very popular then but I don't remember it

When all the UGLs started producing them. then all the reps and dealers had another product to push on people as 'mandatory' part of a cycle. The AI's are more expensive then the steroids . big time profit margins there. plenty of forum 'gurus' over the years that made this idea popular are reps for various UGLs .

the idea of purchasing everything you need, and don't need, for a cycle has been pushed for years on forums.. you need to buy all your steroids, AI's, hcg, pct, and your anti prolactins, at the same time you buy your first steroid stack. wow how convenient of a sales pitch.
that become popular when UGLs started carrying all this stuff.


note: having said all that , again I'm still a fan of AI's when its needed and in the right context. theres plenty of estrogen sensitive guys out there that benefit from their use

[Old Duffer]

I run 50+mg Dbol all the time and don't need to run an AI, even stacked with over a gram of test. its totally person dependent.

Okay, that's one person haha. That's insane though.

Not insane. Just genetically 'gifted' :-)

Lucky too lol!

[GearHeaded]

Not insane. Just genetically 'gifted' :-)

Lucky too lol!

well 8 years ago a gram of test and 50 Dbol would of left me severely bloated, red swollen face, super high blood pressure, and retaining lots of water and other estrogenic sides.
my body back then just didn't know what to do or how to handle that much estrogen. . . my "genetics'' have changed over time. that exact dosage now will not have those effects. my blood pressure will remain fine. bloat is minimal. I just get stronger in the gym.
I can now run 2 grams of test without an AI.

perhaps over time pushing the upper limits of estrogen my body has just adapted .. gear usage is just like training, you have to push the envelopes sometimes and cause new stressor and force your body to have to change and adapt.
if you never play with high levels of estrogen on test/dbol cycles, you'll never acclimate to that.

its like starting off training from day one using lifting straps. sure they can help , but over time if you don't allow your grip to have to adapt it will never get stronger.

[KennyJ]

well 8 years ago a gram of test and 50 Dbol would of left me severely bloated, red swollen face, super high blood pressure, and retaining lots of water and other estrogenic sides.
my body back then just didn't know what to do or how to handle that much estrogen. . . my "genetics'' have changed over time. that exact dosage now will not have those effects. my blood pressure will remain fine. bloat is minimal. I just get stronger in the gym.
I can now run 2 grams of test without an AI.

perhaps over time pushing the upper limits of estrogen my body has just adapted .. gear usage is just like training, you have to push the envelopes sometimes and cause new stressor and force your body to have to change and adapt.
if you never play with high levels of estrogen on test/dbol cycles, you'll never acclimate to that.

its like starting off training from day one using lifting straps. sure they can help , but over time if you don't allow your grip to have to adapt it will never get stronger.

This reminds me of a baseball pitcher. If a pitcher is in college or the minor leagues and trying to work his way to MLB. When he trains or pitches, if he never pushes himself to progressively throw harder, his velocity will never increase but if he throws harder and harder while training then his average velocity should improve until he reaches his full potential. I don't know why but this is what comes to mind when I think about what you're explaining.

[Old Duffer]

well 8 years ago a gram of test and 50 Dbol would of left me severely bloated, red swollen face, super high blood pressure, and retaining lots of water and other estrogenic sides.
my body back then just didn't know what to do or how to handle that much estrogen. . . my "genetics'' have changed over time. that exact dosage now will not have those effects. my blood pressure will remain fine. bloat is minimal. I just get stronger in the gym.
I can now run 2 grams of test without an AI.

perhaps over time pushing the upper limits of estrogen my body has just adapted .. gear usage is just like training, you have to push the envelopes sometimes and cause new stressor and force your body to have to change and adapt.
if you never play with high levels of estrogen on test/dbol cycles, you'll never acclimate to that.

its like starting off training from day one using lifting straps. sure they can help , but over time if you don't allow your grip to have to adapt it will never get stronger.

Just another incredible response, complete with personal data. Thanx yet again.

This topic addresses one of the zillion things I've wondered about. In the most simple, I presumed the ability to run higher n higher doses was due to the increase of body mass. Never occurred to me that the body adapts, becomes more efficient at utilizing the higher doses.

Makes sense. After all, this whole journey is about forcing the body to adapt!

[Couchlockd]

Legit test = 65 year old woman in garters become a fantasy fuck.

[KennyJ]

Just another incredible response, complete with personal data. Thanx yet again.

This topic addresses one of the zillion things I've wondered about. In the most simple, I presumed the ability to run higher n higher doses was due to the increase of body mass. Never occurred to me that the body adapts, becomes more efficient at utilizing the higher doses.

Makes sense. After all, this whole journey is about forcing the body to adapt!

Duff, are you trying to say GH has a little bit of knowledge?

[KennyJ]

Legit test = 65 year old woman in garters become a fantasy fuck.

lol. Standards drop so low they're probably lower than what they are when your drunk and drunk standards can be pretty low