To much trt /nebido

[Danin76]

Hi everyone , I been on trt a bit more then a year. Last 2 months I been getting my mood down to near depression and libido has been down I still have he urge but it don’t stay awake.

I been injecting nebido every 8 week since I got it and it’s been very good . Now I am thinking maybe it’s a bit much and need to lower dose ?

I also been getting some acne but not to the point it bothers me to much. The mood and low energy/libido is much severe.

I can’t go to dr since it was a rare chance I got trt at all. Sweden is very difficult with this subject , and I can’t get any aroma inhibitor either since I asked once about this and dr was extremely skeptical. I think first they had rather give me viagra then treat my low t.

So now I’m on week 2 of my nebido shot and feel really bad.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Hi everyone , I been on trt a bit more then a year. Last 2 months I been getting my mood down to near depression and libido has been down I still have he urge but it don’t stay awake.

I been injecting nebido every 8 week since I got it and it’s been very good . Now I am thinking maybe it’s a bit much and need to lower dose ?

I also been getting some acne but not to the point it bothers me to much. The mood and low energy/libido is much severe.

I can’t go to dr since it was a rare chance I got trt at all. Sweden is very difficult with this subject , and I can’t get any aroma inhibitor either since I asked once about this and dr was extremely skeptical. I think first they had rather give me viagra then treat my low t.

So now I’m on week 2 of my nebido shot and feel really bad.

U feel bad cause nebido 8 weeks needs an AI. Other words. Your e2 is too high. I manage to controll nebido 10 weeks with DIM. U could try but i guess u would need 600 mg ed atleast.

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[Youthful55guy]

Hi everyone , I been on trt a bit more then a year. Last 2 months I been getting my mood down to near depression and libido has been down I still have he urge but it don’t stay awake.

I been injecting nebido every 8 week since I got it and it’s been very good . Now I am thinking maybe it’s a bit much and need to lower dose ?

I also been getting some acne but not to the point it bothers me to much. The mood and low energy/libido is much severe.

I can’t go to dr since it was a rare chance I got trt at all. Sweden is very difficult with this subject , and I can’t get any aroma inhibitor either since I asked once about this and dr was extremely skeptical. I think first they had rather give me viagra then treat my low t.

So now I’m on week 2 of my nebido shot and feel really bad.

Without proper labs, it is impossible for anyone to provide any meaningful advice. Yes, you may have high E, but then again, you may not. Treating with an AI when you don't have high E will just make things worse, a lot worse. My best advice is that if you are going to be on TRT, that you find a doctor that will administer AND MONITOR it with the proper testing. Short of that, you need to get resourceful and find where in your area you can purchase your own labs to understand how your body is responding to the treatment.


At a minimum, you need to have E2 (sensitive assay only), Total T, AND Free T. There's lots more labs you could/should be running at least twice per year, but those are the minimum.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Without proper labs, it is impossible for anyone to provide any meaningful advice. Yes, you may have high E, but then again, you may not. Treating with an AI when you don't have high E will just make things worse, a lot worse. My best advice is that if you are going to be on TRT, that you find a doctor that will administer AND MONITOR it with the proper testing. Short of that, you need to get resourceful and find where in your area you can purchase your own labs to understand how your body is responding to the treatment.


At a minimum, you need to have E2 (sensitive assay only), Total T, AND Free T. There's lots more labs you could/should be running at least twice per year, but those are the minimum.

Labwork is a pain in the ass, costly and steels time. If i were him i would order DIM from iherb and try a 500 mg ed protocol to see if things will be better.
Im pretty sure high e2 is the cause.
1000 mg test every 8 weeks could give a 800-900 ng/dl level. That could often be a problem if left alone.


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[Chrisp83TRT]

Labwork is a pain in the ass, costly and steels time. If i were him i would order DIM from iherb and try a 500 mg ed protocol to see if things will be better.
Im pretty sure high e2 is the cause.
1000 mg test every 8 weeks could give a 800-900 ng/dl level. That could often be a problem if left alone.


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The problem with your "front loading" method is you start out awesome and then your testosterone decreases over that 8 week time.
There's no stable and steady levels through the period till your next injection.

Lower dose more frequent injections will keep you more stablized but you still need to check the basics to see where you're at

I've come to realise doctors in this field are all over the place unless you find one that truly cares about each person individualy and you have to be the one to know where your body is at through the year.

Keep your head bro and make sure to take the necessary steps.
And listen to youthful, he's the guru at this stuff.



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[Youthful55guy]

Labwork is a pain in the ass, costly and steels time. If i were him i would order DIM from iherb and try a 500 mg ed protocol to see if things will be better.
Im pretty sure high e2 is the cause.
1000 mg test every 8 weeks could give a 800-900 ng/dl level. That could often be a problem if left alone.


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I disagree big time. Labs may be costly where you live, but it's a necessary part of being on TRT. You cannot guess at E2. High E2 has pretty much the same symptoms as low E2, so how do you distinguish between the two? Treating E2 is tricky too. One of the biggest issues I see in these forums are guys being paranoid of high E2 because of the lore from bodybuilding misuse and then they proceed to crush their E2 with way too much anastrozole. Then they take more because they feel bad because they think they still have high E2, but in reality they have pretty much no E2. Guys need E2 too. It's a delicate balance when taking an AI.

I also disagree that T levels in the 800-900 ng/dL will necessarily mean high E2. I've been doing this for about 7 years and I routinely have levels in the 800-900 range. I've done countless E2 labs and generally I come in at the upper end of the range but not excessively high. Even when I temporarily went up to 1400 at one point, E2 was not excessively high. I only had E2 problems when I tried to lower it with anastrozole. Low dose anastrozole is very difficult to do.

[AR's King Silabolin]

I disagree big time. Labs may be costly where you live, but it's a necessary part of being on TRT. You cannot guess at E2. High E2 has pretty much the same symptoms as low E2, so how do you distinguish between the two? Treating E2 is tricky too. One of the biggest issues I see in these forums are guys being paranoid of high E2 because of the lore from bodybuilding misuse and then they proceed to crush their E2 with way too much anastrozole. Then they take more because they feel bad because they think they still have high E2, but in reality they have pretty much no E2. Guys need E2 too. It's a delicate balance when taking an AI.

I also disagree that T levels in the 800-900 ng/dL will necessarily mean high E2. I've been doing this for about 7 years and I routinely have levels in the 800-900 range. I've done countless E2 labs and generally I come in at the upper end of the range but not excessively high. Even when I temporarily went up to 1400 at one point, E2 was not excessively high. I only had E2 problems when I tried to lower it with anastrozole. Low dose anastrozole is very difficult to do.

Eh...one thing for certain...when u inject test as in trt without any E2 defense, e2 problemes, if any, will be related to high levels. Not low. Labs are free in Norway but u and many most understand one thing. BW dont mean shit. Its what u feel. If u feel ok, ur probably ok. For hormonissues at least. When on trt and u feel ok, Hormon BW is overrated. Why trt?...to feel better forsure. And if BW says ur fucked up. Who u gonna listen to. I go by me, any day.
BP is another story. And hct. Those could be dangerous elevated without knowing it.

Even if u could be at 1400 without e2 problemes, it doesnt mean u should suggest this attitude to everyone. I need DIM for +700 ng/dl and i would say thats normal.
But elevated e2 isnot the end of the world. If u manage to control BP, its actually helthy for men. Its suggested thats why females have less cardiatic problemes than men. Because of their high e2 levels (Jerry Brainum)

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[Youthful55guy]

Eh...one thing for certain...when u inject test as in trt without any E2 defense, e2 problemes, if any, will be related to high levels. Not low. Labs are free in Norway but u and many most understand one thing. BW dont mean shit. Its what u feel. If u feel ok, ur probably ok. For hormonissues at least. When on trt and u feel ok, Hormon BW is overrated. Why trt?...to feel better forsure. And if BW says ur fucked up. Who u gonna listen to. I go by me, any day.
BP is another story. And hct. Those could be dangerous elevated without knowing it.

Even if u could be at 1400 without e2 problemes, it doesnt mean u should suggest this attitude to everyone. I need DIM for +700 ng/dl and i would say thats normal.
But elevated e2 isnot the end of the world. If u manage to control BP, its actually helthy for men. Its suggested thats why females have less cardiatic problemes than men. Because of their high e2 levels (Jerry Brainum)

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We see this over and over in the forums. You simply cannot dose AIs on how you feel. I suspect most of the veterans in the forum will agree with this. In my opinion, based on years of TRT experience, if you keep T within normal physiological ranges at all times, E2 should never be a problem. If you do suspect your E2 is off for whatever reason, you need labs to confirm.

[GearHeaded]

But elevated e2 isnot the end of the world. If u manage to control BP, its actually helthy for men. Its suggested thats why females have less cardiatic problemes than men. Because of their high e2 levels (Jerry Brainum)

yep, I posted about this long ago and many times on this forum. a woman that is in her 20s with elevated estrogen levels has the least risk of cardiac event then anyone else. this is due to the cardiovascular protective traits of estrogen. but when that same woman hits menopause and suddenly her estrogen levels drop off, then her risk of heart disease and cardiac infractions goes up dramatically.
and of course Estrogen is also an anabolic hormone that helps women build muscle and strengthen bones (not having much testosterone). Of course men benefit from the anabolic mechanisms of estrogen as well (we just happened to have Test on top of that).

crushing estrogen levels with AI's is both hindering gains and muscle building as well as inflicting cardiovascular risks imo

[TRA]

Labwork is a pain in the ass, costly and steels time. If i were him i would order DIM from iherb and try a 500 mg ed protocol to see if things will be better.
Im pretty sure high e2 is the cause.
1000 mg test every 8 weeks could give a 800-900 ng/dl level. That could often be a problem if left alone.


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I had really hoped after not seeing you on here for a while that you were educating yourself and abandoning the reckless bro science and throw this and throw that in your body and it’s all good. You have the intelligence so I think it’s just a psychological thing that makes you want to irritate people and also do things the quick and easy way. That’s all okay I guess if it’s for you personally but that philosophy fucks a lot of people up, especially younger people.
I hope you don’t have kids because with your approach Sil, I doubt you’ll be around long enough to enjoy them. And I’m serious there, man. FFS. Labs are a pain and expensive??? Especially when you have advanced cardiac disease or liver cancer. That’s when you find out how much of a pain things really are. Really disappointed dude.

[AR's King Silabolin]

yep, I posted about this long ago and many times on this forum. a woman that is in her 20s with elevated estrogen levels has the least risk of cardiac event then anyone else. this is due to the cardiovascular protective traits of estrogen. but when that same woman hits menopause and suddenly her estrogen levels drop off, then her risk of heart disease and cardiac infractions goes up dramatically.
and of course Estrogen is also an anabolic hormone that helps women build muscle and strengthen bones (not having much testosterone). Of course men benefit from the anabolic mechanisms of estrogen as well (we just happened to have Test on top of that).

crushing estrogen levels with AI's is both hindering gains and muscle building as well as inflicting cardiovascular risks imo

Not so fast. 99% on point..but..u forget one of my points. Elevated estrogen is only healthy if u manage to control BP. Controlling BP with elevated estrogen is harder cause it will keep more water which again will make bloodflow less smooth.
If elevated BP, the cardiatic benefits from high e2 will be erased and the oppisitw will happen.
Cant source that one. Just thinking loud. Feel free to fill me in..

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[GearHeaded]

Not so fast. 99% on point..but..u forget one of my points. Elevated estrogen is only healthy if u manage to control BP. Controlling BP with elevated estrogen is harder cause it will keep more water which again will make bloodflow less smooth.
If elevated BP, the cardiatic benefits from high e2 will be erased and the oppisitw will happen.
Cant source that one. Just thinking loud. Feel free to fill me in..

yes. this is very true. elevated blood pressure is a silent killer and something we should be very concerned with if its chronic.
if elevated Estrogen directly causes chronic elevated blood pressure, then the Estrogen needs to be lowered.

however. keep in mind that there is not 'necessarily' a one to one direct correlation between elevated estrogen and blood pressure. meaning that just because you have elevated estrogen doesn't mean you'll also have elevated blood pressure.. case in point, look at women. they generally have super high levels of estrogen, store more fluid retention then men, yet have much lower blood pressure on average then men.

really depends on the person and how estrogen effects them. I can get my Estrogen way high off the charts, yet my blood pressure be ok.
years ago this was not the case though. individuals are all different, and we also adapt and change over time.

but if estrogen does cause you lots of fluid retention and elevated chronic blood pressure, then it needs to be dealt with

[low-t]

You can try Ekenhälsan in Gothenburg, they prescribe ai if you need some. But that clinic is private so you have to pay it yourself. I change to Ekenhälsan when my dr dont shortened my intervalls when i got 10nmol after 10 weeks. So before i got 20nmol after 4 weeks and 10nmol after 10 weeks. I am at 8 weeks now and new bloods in januari.