Originally Posted by
jolter604
I have a good friend from 4th grade.
He was always massive without any juice.
He was a genetic mass gainer.he trained sense 8th grade and was always pretty swol.
He only did like 3 cycles after age 30
Like
4 weeks anadrol 50
6 weeks 50mg anavar
4 weeks winny 50
And then went natural until 43 he passed out running at the beach and went to the Doc
His heart was enlarged and only pumping 20% it was almost enclosed.
They gave him meds to shrink the walls and he has lost alot of size over last 2 years .
He asked me if he could do trt and i said no way.
Ask a Doc.
He asked me about sarms but i am not sure if that would even be safe for him.
Is there anything safe for a enlarged heart for training????
The doctor said absolutely no stimulants....
When a virus damaged my heart, my left ventricle ejection fraction was sub-15%, I had left bundle branch block, cardiomyopathy, congestive heart failure, a slight mitral valve disorder, and atrial fibrillation. Also along the way I started throwing clots and upon some genetic testing, they discovered I have Leiden Factor V which causes one to produce clots easily, which is bad in combination with afib. (there's a whole shitload of things happening in the clotting cascade).
Also, they tried me on Coumadin for an anticoagulant, but even at the max dosage my PT/INR was well outside normal values. The only anticoagulant that worked was Arixtra, but it has its own bad side effects so that didn't last long. They wanted to implant a Greenfield/ IVC basket but I refused. Once you have artificial implants in your body and go through what it takes if you get an infection, you stay clear of those things if at all possible.
They had me on Digoxin, but that's another drug that had no effect on me even at 200mcg. I never could hit a therapeutic blood level, so that got ditched as well. The betablocker did help with the afib somewhat when the dosage was increased.
Along the way, I fired a shitty cardiologist, got a more modern cardiologist and they implanted a biventricular pacemaker and put me on the newest available betablocker. I kept the pacemaker for 7 months and then got bacteremia and had to have the pacer removed so the staph could be cleared from my body. I was fortunate enough that my heart partially remodeled and my ejection fraction is now in the 40-45% range.
Keep in mind these events happened over a period of several years and the bacteremia almost put me in skull orchard, my fever was over 104.3° at the highest point and the CCU nurses and infectious disease specialist all told me they thought I was a goner.
Now, I am on TRT, but it is exactly that, TRT. I see nothing wrong with maintaining your NATURAL T levels, but would not advise cycling at all. Keep an eye on Hct, a compromised heart doesn't need any additional workload. Also, his training should be more oriented towards cardio and perhaps volume lifting vs. grinding out low reps. He absolutely needs to focus on breathing during lifting and not holding his breath. If he hasn't undergone cardiac rehab, I highly recommend it. The nurses closely monitor you and you get a feel for just how hard you can safely push yourself, which is a confidence booster.
Stims aren't something I would tinker with, nor would I include SARMS, for the same reason I wouldn't advise him to cycle. I have 1 cup of coffee per day and occasionally put a teaspoon of instant coffee in my whey/ oats shake.
Again, if.he dealing with hypogonadism, maintaining T within normal values is probably going to help him in the long run.
I'm sure people.are going to disagree with my thoughts on the matter, but please consider I have "been there and done that".
Once again, I see nothing wrong with maintaining normal T levels.
He needs to be monitored and educate himself in TRT and followed by a good cardiologist and sharp PCP. Just for general information, I am on Dr. prescribed TRT.
Why not have your friend join up and when he can, he can shoot me a PM and I will be glad to discuss the issues I dealt with. I may take a day or two to reply at times due to work, but if I can help, I will.
If your friend's T levels are good, then he needs to focus on strengthening his CV system and please remind him to breathe when he lifts.
Last edited by almostgone; 05-05-2019 at 12:26 PM.
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