Waking up sore from DNP???

[ascendant]

Ok, I started using DNP to cut up a week ago now. Started at 200mg/day, now up to 300mg/day. Results have been ok I suppose. Only about 4-5lbs so far, but could just be because of the additional water retention.

But anyway, my problem is that I will wake up with really bad pains in my joints from sleeping on them. It usually happens in whichever shoulder I am sleeping on, but it also sometimes happens in the hip I am sleeping on as well.

I have NEVER had pains like this just from sleeping on a joint, but also have no idea what it could be? I am drinking TONS of water, so definitely not dehydrated.

I am thinking it must be some type of deficiency in something, but not sure what? Any suggestions on what to supplement with to counter this would be greatly appreciated. I woke up with so much pain in my hip this morning that I had to spend about 15mins just rubbing it out. I almost want to say this might be some type of cramping since I was even able to rub it out, but not sure.

[neloza]

My advice would be to stop taking DNP. Too many things that can go wrong.... too much risk to be worth it.

Alternating ECA stack and clenbuterol would be the way i would cut fat. It's a proven method. My. 02 cents

[ascendant]

My advice would be to stop taking DNP. Too many things that can go wrong.... too much risk to be worth it.

Alternating ECA stack and clenbuterol would be the way i would cut fat. It's a proven method. My. 02 cents

Appreciate the suggestion, but other than sweating a lot and this soreness I am waking up with, I am not having any other problems. In moderate doses, it's actually well tolerated. The only stories I have ever heard from confirmed deaths were where people abused it to an extreme - like the bulimic woman who weighed 90lbs taking 8 200mg pills her very first day.

The only thing I am thinking this might be is a potassium deficiency. Definitely getting enough table salt, but wondering if a deficiency in potassium could cause it?

[The God Himself]

Appreciate the suggestion, but other than sweating a lot and this soreness I am waking up with, I am not having any other problems. In moderate doses, it's actually well tolerated. The only stories I have ever heard from confirmed deaths were where people abused it to an extreme - like the bulimic woman who weighed 90lbs taking 8 200mg pills her very first day.

The only thing I am thinking this might be is a potassium deficiency. Definitely getting enough table salt, but wondering if a deficiency in potassium could cause it?

Potassium plays an important role in glucose metabolism, its the potassium ion channel that opens the gates of cells for the glucose uptake.
Are you supplementing with insulin? You’re basically secreting very little insulin because DNP blocks ATP synthesis, thus impacts the ADP/ATP ratio that plays an important role for beta cells secreting insulin in the pancreas.
So, adding insulin if you’re not taking would be great idea. But keep in mind what you are doing is an advanced protocol and pretty much risky, you should know what you’re doing very well.
If you’re taking insulin, that will decrease your potassium levels and that could be a reason. Also you are simply starve your muscle cells of protein and glucose due to lack of insulin. That will surely slow down your recovery and make you feel sore, so I wouldn’t be surprised if I were you.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Appreciate the suggestion, but other than sweating a lot and this soreness I am waking up with, I am not having any other problems. In moderate doses, it's actually well tolerated. Obviously not by you... The only stories I have ever heard from confirmed deaths were where people abused it to an extreme - like the bulimic woman who weighed 90lbs taking 8 200mg pills her very first day. Just because you are not dying doesn't mean it isn't doing harm.

The only thing I am thinking this might be is a potassium deficiency. Definitely getting enough table salt, but wondering if a deficiency in potassium could cause it?

I would advise against using DNP.

Without changing your diet any weight you lose you will put back on .
Why not just change your diet?

This is a lifestyle we live.

[Windex]

Appreciate the suggestion, but other than sweating a lot and this soreness I am waking up with, I am not having any other problems. In moderate doses, it's actually well tolerated. The only stories I have ever heard from confirmed deaths were where people abused it to an extreme - like the bulimic woman who weighed 90lbs taking 8 200mg pills her very first day.

The only thing I am thinking this might be is a potassium deficiency. Definitely getting enough table salt, but wondering if a deficiency in potassium could cause it?

No such thing as a moderate dose when it comes to DNP. It's toxicity bioaccumulates in your body.

There's tons of horror stories you just never hear because the people aren't alive anymore to tell it or too embarrassed.

Not feeling side effects or marginal side effects like joint pain does not mean you are tolerating it well. The most dangerous side effects of a substance are often the ones that are silent.

You will get a rebound effect with any weight loss. In fact, you can damage your metabolism long term from DNP and end up at a higher weight than what you started.

As soon as you start fiddling around with the physiology of your body you create problems that cascade into bigger problems.

[ascendant]

I would advise against using DNP.

Without changing your diet any weight you lose you will put back on .
Why not just change your diet?

This is a lifestyle we live.

I know it is a lifestyle. I was a certified NASM trainer who was a trainer, then regional manager for an association, and even taught CEUs for a number of years.

I simply don't have much time to put into working out these days. I got into some bad eating habits with an ex, hence why I gained about 10-15lbs more fat than I have ever been used to. Once I lose it, I won't have any problems keeping it off, as I have gone back to the way I used to eat. I just never lost that fat after I left her and stopped eating like that.

But all things considered, sweating and pains in my joints when I am sleeping on them definitely isn't horrible side-effects. Certainly not reason for me to decide I need to stop it. Hoping 1-2 more weeks of it and I will be where I want to be. Just trying to figure out why I am waking up with these pains.

I appreciate the feedback, but I have done far worse to my body over the years than DNP, lol

[ascendant]

No such thing as a moderate dose when it comes to DNP. It's toxicity bioaccumulates in your body.

There's tons of horror stories you just never hear because the people aren't alive anymore to tell it or too embarrassed.

Not feeling side effects or marginal side effects like joint pain does not mean you are tolerating it well. The most dangerous side effects of a substance are often the ones that are silent.

You will get a rebound effect with any weight loss. In fact, you can damage your metabolism long term from DNP and end up at a higher weight than what you started.

As soon as you start fiddling around with the physiology of your body you create problems that cascade into bigger problems.

I have heard people make the same complaints about steroids.

I am well aware of the potential side-effects of DNP. I have a mild deathwish though currently (very long story), so I am not particularly worried about death, lol. Just being honest.

Besides, only planning to use it for another week or two like I said previously. Of all my years of working out (26+ years), I have never used it before, nor do I plan to ever use it again. It is just something I am taking now to help compensate for my lack of time to hit the gym frequently enough. I literally DO NOT have enough time to hit the gym more than a few times per week for more than an hour, and I have far more important things to worry about than the superficial.

But anyway, I only came on here looking for feedback on what might be causing the cramps, not lectures on the dangers of what I am doing to my body. I appreciate you guys trying to look out, but it's not what I need right now. I'm going to try potassium I got as a salt-substitute and see if this helps. I will keep everyone updated, if not for any other reason, for others that might run into this same issue.

[Couchlockd]

Be thankful you woke up at all

[HoldMyBeer]

You need to triple the normal vitamin and mineral intake. Electrolytes are especially important. Supplement taurine also. Force drink water even when not thirsty.
Get Powerade zero and sip on it whenever not drinking water.
However, I've done stupid high doses of dnp, and staked it w shit I shouldn't have, for WAY longer than I should have. And I never had that problem (which is worrisome that you are). DNP can cause serious nerve problems

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[ascendant]

Thanks for all the feedback, and to update... I started supplementing with potassium (in the form of a salt substitute) and it completely went away. Seems I wasn't getting enough of it. I had a feeling it may have been some form of cramping, which is why I suspected a potassium deficiency. That was all it was. Right back to normal now

[fiddlesticks]

Honestly I've used DNP many times and the simple answer imo is the huge energy deficit is just gonna make you feel absolutely horrible lol. no way around it really. Any scenario where you're restricting energy intake and expending alot is nearly always going to take a toll on you mentally, drugs or not. When I diet WITHOUT DNP random painful annoying things start popping up that weren't there prior.

On DNP the body tries extremely hard to make you not expend energy, pain is a great way to do that. The neurotic scientific approach suggests in an energy deficit basically every single feel good chemical goes to shit.

Something I will say that I dont like with DNP is that there is not a chance in hell you will lose fat "20-100%" or whatever percentage some chart says faster, it's like half that at BEST and that isnt even factoring in how fucked up the stress levels get on DNP. The neurological fatigue wrecks your ability to move at all. ironically this is also why it's not as dangerous as the internet claims , your body slows itself down pretty much in a linear fashion to DNP dosage

It would be fantastic if there was some way we could replicate the increased body heat/ blood flow we get in a high calorie state to burn fat but it doesn't seem physiologically feasible without horrible problems like clen everything, DNP fatigue, caffeine vasoconstriction blah blah. Reducing stressful scenarios pretty much is always the best way to lose fat.

[ascendant]

I completely get you fiddlesticks. And to add to your feedback...

While the potassium got rid of the cramping, I eventually decided to come off it regardless due to lack of results that were worth it.

Yes, I sweat like a pig ALL DAY long. However, the extra calories I was burning did not seem that significant. I lost weight quickly in the first week, but then my weight loss literally came to a screeching halt after that, even with me increasing cardio, decreasing calories, etc. It was the weirdest thing. Never had that kind of issue when cutting up in the past. I think a part of my problem was how lethargic the stuff left me, and I just didn't have that much energy to be active. So sure, I was sweating a lot, but I was also a lot more sedentary because of how I felt.

Overall, I feel it was a complete waste of my time and NOT worth it. To make matters worse, when I came off it, I dealt with a HORRIBLE bout of depression! It was as bad as when I quit Celexa (anti-depressant) years back. No idea why, but depression hit me like a brick wall and still hasn't completely subsided. That stuff definitely messes with your body in some odd ways.

[fiddlesticks]

I completely get you fiddlesticks. And to add to your feedback...

While the potassium got rid of the cramping, I eventually decided to come off it regardless due to lack of results that were worth it.

Yes, I sweat like a pig ALL DAY long. However, the extra calories I was burning did not seem that significant. I lost weight quickly in the first week, but then my weight loss literally came to a screeching halt after that, even with me increasing cardio, decreasing calories, etc. It was the weirdest thing. Never had that kind of issue when cutting up in the past. I think a part of my problem was how lethargic the stuff left me, and I just didn't have that much energy to be active. So sure, I was sweating a lot, but I was also a lot more sedentary because of how I felt.

Overall, I feel it was a complete waste of my time and NOT worth it. To make matters worse, when I came off it, I dealt with a HORRIBLE bout of depression! It was as bad as when I quit Celexa (anti-depressant) years back. No idea why, but depression hit me like a brick wall and still hasn't completely subsided. That stuff definitely messes with your body in some odd ways.

When you come off DNP you're probably gonna feel worse than while you were on in alot of cases, the body limiting its heat production completely fucks with not only the circulation but the painkilling system hard. a few years ago my mindset was different mainly from a lack of real world experience and I assumed DNP was going to make me lose weight x amount faster with 0 negatives, needless to say that doesn't happen with any cutting drug unfortunately. The "melt you alive" part is hilariously overblown but so are the results really.

Fuck I dont miss using it at all. imagine your body is generating tons of heat (which will cause tons of free radicals to be made) to survive a blizzard but.. you dont even get the perk of the cold air blowing the heat off, your body has to do that part too and that puts a hell of a beating on the heart. Then AFTER that the body tries to conserve the energy it has left which also fucks the heart, this is where I think the real problem of DNP is, how do you expect to maintain a very low bodyfat without the drug? Your body isn't going to produce anywhere near the amount of heat it made on DNP and you'll feel like complete death.. try functioning with low bf while your body seemingly produces next to 0 heat lol

It has some interesting potential benefits and definitely isn't nearly as dangerous as people say but it doesn't work very well in any long term situation at all. None of the cutting drugs do. Stress reduction #1