Planning my cycle

[zeph1ro7]

How's it going guys? First of all let me tell you that english is not my native language, so perhaps some grammar is a little off. Bare with me

I'm planning to do a cycle in march. it's not my first cycle per se, but it's my first one with some knowledge. I did a couple of cycles about 6-7 years ago and I didn't know shit about nutrition, so the results weren't good and I ended up with gyno (had to go through surgery). That makes me thing that the gear wasn't legit and I ended up aromatizing too much without even taking tamoxifene.

So tu sum up, this is an idea of my next cycle. Any suggestions or corrections are welcome-

weeks 1-12: sustanon 500mg p/week
weeks 1-14: Primobolan 500 mg p/week
weeks 1-14: Masteron 500mg p/week
weeks 1-4: Anadrol 50mg ed
weeks 8-15: Anavar 50mg ed
weeks 1-15: HCG 250ui every 3.5d

I'll take 10mg of tamoxifen ed though the whole cycle (no risk of gyno since my surgery, but perhaps it will help me with sides like acne/oily skin)

Now i'm not sure about the primo/masteron stack since I didn't see many people using it. And not sure about the dosage of each one either.


Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

[zeph1ro7]

Any thoughts?

[KINGKONG]

I like it for a cutting stack..looks expensive[emoji857]
Forget the nolva it’s unnecessary.
Are you sure you need all that?
Your coming off being natural right?
It seems like a lot of gear for?whats your size again?

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[SampsonandDelilah]

I like it for a cutting stack..looks expensive[emoji857]
Forget the nolva it’s unnecessary.
Are you sure you need all that?
Your coming off being natural right?
It seems like a lot of gear for?whats your size again?

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^^^^^^ this

That’s a ton of gear my friend. Stats? Goals?

[zeph1ro7]

^^^^^^ this

That’s a ton of gear my friend. Stats? Goals?

You think is a ton of gear? I don feel that the dosages are crazy. Height 5.75, weight 200 pounds. BF probably around 15% but before I start the cycle I plan to lose about 10 pounds more.

I think the stack would help me recomp very nicely if I do things right. Then when I'm leaner I could start a more bulking oriented cycle.

However I'm open to suggestions if you think it's a ton of gear, what would you discard?

[SampsonandDelilah]

You think is a ton of gear? I don feel that the dosages are crazy. Height 5.75, weight 200 pounds. BF probably around 15% but before I start the cycle I plan to lose about 10 pounds more.

I think the stack would help me recomp very nicely if I do things right. Then when I'm leaner I could start a more bulking oriented cycle.

However I'm open to suggestions if you think it's a ton of gear, what would you discard?

As mentioned, I’d drop the nolva. The mast will work as an AI as well. If it’s me, I leave off the anadrol.

The best recomp stack I’ve run, has been test, tren, mast and anavar. That’s an option too, but many are adverse to tren. Just a thought, as KK mentioned it looks like a good cut stack. Just multiple compounds and didn’t know your cycle history.
Looks expensive and make sure you’re getting legit primo

[Gallowmere]

In addition to the above, fuck Sustanon. Works fine, but not enough to be worth the cost, especially with the injection schedule you’ll be running anyway. Switch that shit for some Enan or Cyp and buy more Primo. Heh.

[Windex]

I like it for a cutting stack..looks expensive[emoji857]
Forget the nolva it’s unnecessary.
Are you sure you need all that?
Your coming off being natural right?
It seems like a lot of gear for?whats your size again?

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I agree - 2 grams of gear for someone 200 lbs doesn't make sense.

You could drop the Anadrol, lower test, and still be in great shape.

[SampsonandDelilah]

In addition to the above, fuck Sustanon. Works fine, but not enough to be worth the cost, especially with the injection schedule you’ll be running anyway. Switch that shit for some Enan or Cyp and buy more Primo. Heh.

Nice Gallow, forgot to mention switching to single ester test...agree 100

[KINGKONG]

I agree - 2 grams of gear for someone 200 lbs doesn't make sense.

You could drop the Anadrol, lower test, and still be in great shape.

Agreed!keep it simple a 200 lb man can gain plenty of mass on 500ng of test and a anabolic very easily, considering diet diet diet diet is on point..did I say diet lol
If you already have a weight training background, it’s mostly about eating a lot of clean food..the hardest thing about bodybuilding imo .you can always up the gear at a later date..I also agree single ester year would be preferable..


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[zeph1ro7]

Agreed!keep it simple a 200 lb man can gain plenty of mass on 500ng of test and a anabolic very easily, considering diet diet diet diet is on point..did I say diet lol
If you already have a weight training background, it’s mostly about eating a lot of clean food..the hardest thing about bodybuilding imo .you can always up the gear at a later date..I also agree single ester year would be preferable..


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could you please elaborate why only one ester is preferable over a blend? not being a douche, I really don't know

[zeph1ro7]

As mentioned, I’d drop the nolva. The mast will work as an AI as well. If it’s me, I leave off the anadrol.

The best recomp stack I’ve run, has been test, tren, mast and anavar. That’s an option too, but many are adverse to tren. Just a thought, as KK mentioned it looks like a good cut stack. Just multiple compounds and didn’t know your cycle history.
Looks expensive and make sure you’re getting legit primo

I put the anadrol to have some kind of kickstart, but yes I suppose I could drop it along with the nolva. I don't want to use tren right now because of the many sides I've read, so I want to start with more mild steroids.

I'm expecting primo from balkan but it would be really nice if someone, someday, can be a delight and facilitate me the well known domestic source you guys use around here haha

[KINGKONG]

could you please elaborate why only one ester is preferable over a blend? not being a douche, I really don't know

Too many esters, too long of esters, less control over pct timing, not as stable bloods, more frequent injections
I would use it ED, I like to shoot my prop everyday..maybe it’s my head but, it seems to give me less sides when I use prop daily..that’s why I don’t choose sus overall
Less sides and easier to control blood levels with single ester
Why complicate it?
Sure others have their own reasons


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[SampsonandDelilah]

Too many esters, too long of esters, less control over pct timing, not as stable bloods, more frequent injections
I would use it ED, I like to shoot my prop everyday..maybe it’s my head but, it seems to give me less sides when I use prop daily..that’s why I don’t choose sus overall
Less sides and easier to control blood levels with single ester
Why complicate it?
Sure others have their own reasons


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Nailed it, blood plasma levels, trough, injection frequency and PCT timing


That being said, there’s certainly guys that love sus. Short or long ester in my opinion. Better to stick with one

[Gallowmere]

Too many esters, too long of esters, less control over pct timing, not as stable bloods, more frequent injections
I would use it ED, I like to shoot my prop everyday..maybe it’s my head but, it seems to give me less sides when I use prop daily..that’s why I don’t choose sus overall
Less sides and easier to control blood levels with single ester
Why complicate it?
Sure others have their own reasons


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I seriously doubt it’s just in your head. I’ve also heard a lot of guys being able to reduce Tren related sides without lowering their dose, just by going to an everyday injection schedule.

The old halflife estimates were based on bad math that didn’t pan out in clinical testing, so the reduction of sides with ED shouldn’t shock anyone.

[KINGKONG]

I seriously doubt it’s just in your head. I’ve also heard a lot of guys being able to reduce Tren related sides without lowering their dose, just by going to an everyday injection schedule.

The old halflife estimates were based on bad math that didn’t pan out in clinical testing, so the reduction of sides with ED shouldn’t shock anyone.

Still got the pharmacokinetic graphs in the old anabolics books..we can do a bit better than that these days lol
I think your right it’s not a coincidence when majority of ppl get same results..


“Used to think I knew it all, then got older”

[Gallowmere]

Still got the pharmacokinetic graphs in the old anabolics books..we can do a bit better than that these days lol
I think your right it’s not a coincidence when majority of ppl get same results..


“Used to think I knew it all, then got older”

Absolutely. They had Prop and Ace esters listed at like 2.5 days, when 24 hours is what we’re actually seeing in lab tests. Enan and cyp were listed at 7 and 8 days, when 4.5 and 5 are what we see.

[KINGKONG]

Wow, That’s night and day difference...imagine the sides that could have been avoided, the gains that were missed..They really should do far more studies on humans and AAS..Sign me up!


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