Testosterone Sustanon First Cycle

[viewfair]

Just wanna run this through make sure I'm doing this right, as I was taking advice from my friend who got me the Sustanon but upon researching further it seems some of his information is wrong.
I'm shooting 2x a week, 250mg, Mondays and Thursdays.

I'm taking Arimidex, I've been taking it daily, but apparently, I should be taking it either every other day or 2-3times a week. So can I be taking it twice a week .5mg on the days I shoot? or three times a week, .25mg?

My next question is in regards to liver support, do I need a liver support supplement or any type of supplement while on Sustanon, on another forum someone told me I don't need anything for my liver because of the type of testosterone I'm taking, but I want more opinions on this. What cycle supports do you guys recommend, whether they are for liver or other organs, bones, joints, and why do you recommend that supplement. I am in Canada, so getting certain items is hard, and expensive. I got "liv 52" but apparently the ingredients of mine are completely different than the way they use to make liv52.. mine are all herbal ingredients? This is the one I got https://www.amazon.ca/Himalaya-Liver...5472239&sr=8-2

My next question is for PCT.. my friend said to shoot HCG for 10 days, 1000IU, then Clomid.. Do I need Clomid & Nolva at the same time, or can I use one over the other, is one better than the other, if I was to only use one? Finally, what is your opinion on HCG, some say take it during the cycle towards the end, instead of trying to repair the damage, we instead maintain the testes. So I was to take HCG while on cycle, when would I take it, and how much would I take?

I think I've asked everything so far that I need to ask, thanks for your patience.

[Mr. Small]

. 25mg of arimidex every other day

Nolvadex needs to be run with clomid for pct

[Test Monsterone]

For the testosterone analogues, like Sustanon (which is 4 different steroids in fact), you don't need liver support. The effect on the liver is minuscule. I ran sustanon for my first cycle as well, but it's not the best option because of the 4 different steroids with different half-lives. One of the steroids is a propionate ester, meaning it stays in the blood for a very short amount of time. That means that unless you want a rollercoaster effect of hormones, you would ideally inject every day or every other day. You can still run it, but fluctuations are more likely to cause side effects like acne, mood issues, water retention, etc.

[clarky.]

A single ester test would be best, Test E Test C for your first few cycles. Nothing wrong with Sus, i have used it a few times, like TM said above it is a mix of four different esters so pinning it 2x per week is a waste.
Definitly use liver support, most use it when not on cycle. NAC is very good, this can be purchased from Amazon to.

PCT should be both Noladex and Clomid for the best chance of recovery.

HCG should be used on cycle NOT! During PCT. Take your time read learn and ask as much Q's as you like.
Start with the link below.

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...rst-cycle.html

[viewfair]

A single ester test would be best, Test E Test C for your first few cycles. Nothing wrong with Sus, i have used it a few times, like TM said above it is a mix of four different esters so pinning it 2x per week is a waste.
Definitly use liver support, most use it when not on cycle. NAC is very good, this can be purchased from Amazon to.

PCT should be both Noladex and Clomid for the best chance of recovery.

HCG should be used on cycle NOT! During PCT. Take your time read learn and ask as much Q's as you like.
Start with the link below.

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...rst-cycle.html

Oh my so many conflictions lol, the fellow above said no liver support is needed. So shooting Sus 2X a week is a waste.. really? My friend does that and seems to show great results, I've also read online that shooting 2x a week is effective.. but you're saying that I should be shooting every other day..? I was going to be doing an 18 week cycle though, does that make a difference? Also I already have two bottles of the Test Sus.. i was going to get a third bottle and run for a total of 18 weeks.. but perhaps after these 2 bottles, I could finish the third bottle with Test E.. would this be an ok and safe idea?

If I could only choose one product for PCT though, would Nolva be the better route over Clomid?

[Test Monsterone]

Sustanon is not hard on the liver. If it was, it wouldn't be prescribed for TRT. Granted, you are taking it at higher doses than TRT, but even so. Only Tren, and a few other "designer" injectibles have any noticeable effect on the liver, as far as I know... most liver support is for orals. Orals, for the most part, do have a negative impact on the liver which has to break them down.

The reason Sustanon is not ideal is that 25% or so of the compound is the propionate ester which only lasts a day or two in the bloodstream. It's not stable like the long-estered steroids. Hormone stability is what leads to muscle growth. Having short spikes of 25% extra test every few days is not gonna do much. Yes, the base 75% of sustanon is going to yield results... but that's why we keep saying that using a long ester makes more sense if you are injecting infrequently.

[viewfair]

Sustanon is not hard on the liver. If it was, it wouldn't be prescribed for TRT. Granted, you are taking it at higher doses than TRT, but even so. Only Tren, and a few other "designer" injectibles have any noticeable effect on the liver, as far as I know... most liver support is for orals. Orals, for the most part, do have a negative impact on the liver which has to break them down.

The reason Sustanon is not ideal is that 25% or so of the compound is the propionate ester which only lasts a day or two in the bloodstream. It's not stable like the long-estered steroids. Hormone stability is what leads to muscle growth. Having short spikes of 25% extra test every few days is not gonna do much. Yes, the base 75% of sustanon is going to yield results... but that's why we keep saying that using a long ester makes more sense if you are injecting infrequently.

Ok with that being said I already have the two bottles of Test Sus so I'm going to continue with that. Perhaps next cycle I will try Test Ethanate unless you recommend other options? My other two questions are in regard to HCG and PCT.. For the longest while I've always read you take HCG after cycle, but now I see people saying to take it during.. which should I do and why? Because I have already injected Test Sus twice now, it looks like ill be doing HCG after cycle, unless I get my hands on it soon. If I take HCG after cycle, my friend recommended to do it for 10 days at 1,000 IU , is this ok?

Then in regards, to PCT, my friend says clomid for two weeks, everywhere online says a month, and to combine it with nolvadex, do I absolutely need both, can i just take clomid, or just nolva? Sorry for all the questions but at first i trusted my friend but now as time goes on, its seeming like i need to know more information myself to feel better.

[Test Monsterone]

The pituitary gland secretes luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH). These hormones are responsible for keeping the testes producing testosterone and sperm, respectively. HCG mimics LH. When you take exogenous male hormones, the body senses an abundance of testosterone and signals the pituitary gland to stop producing LH and FSH. This, in turn, stops the leydig cells in the testes from producing any more testosterone; they become dormant. The longer they are dormant, the more the testes shrink. It is believed that the longer the testes are shut down, the harder it will be to start them back up. This is why it is recommended to take HCG during the cycle. You get the benefit of not having shrunken testes, you produce your own endogenous testosterone (and this supposedly helps with reducing cholesterol; testosterone is made from cholesterol), and when you get off cycle, you wont have to wait for your dormant testes to "wake up" and start working again. The only thing you have to wait for is the pituitary gland to start producing LH again (which will be shut down even if you don't take HCG).

I can't offer any advice on PCT as I have never cycled off once I decided to be on.

[viewfair]

The pituitary gland secretes luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH). These hormones are responsible for keeping the testes producing testosterone and sperm, respectively. HCG mimics LH. When you take exogenous male hormones, the body senses an abundance of testosterone and signals the pituitary gland to stop producing LH and FSH. This, in turn, stops the leydig cells in the testes from producing any more testosterone; they become dormant. The longer they are dormant, the more the testes shrink. It is believed that the longer the testes are shut down, the harder it will be to start them back up. This is why it is recommended to take HCG during the cycle. You get the benefit of not having shrunken testes, you produce your own endogenous testosterone (and this supposedly helps with reducing cholesterol; testosterone is made from cholesterol), and when you get off cycle, you wont have to wait for your dormant testes to "wake up" and start working again. The only thing you have to wait for is the pituitary gland to start producing LH again (which will be shut down even if you don't take HCG).

I can't offer any advice on PCT as I have never cycled off once I decided to be on.

So with that being said, if i take HGH during cycle, i don't have to take any during pct?

[Test Monsterone]

I would take it for 2 weeks following your last injection, to give the testosterone you injected in your body time to clear out. By the time the 2 weeks is up, you can drop the HCG also. I'm assuming PCT starts 2 weeks after your last injection. You wouldn't take HCG during your PCT because HCG is suppressant to LH. LH is required for endogenous testosterone production, so the longer you stay on HCG after your cycle, the longer it will take your body to resume producing it's own LH, and stimulating the testes down the line.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

So with that being said, if i take HGH during cycle, i don't have to take any during pct?

You are confusing HGH and HCG.

HCG is taken during a cycle to keep your balls happy.

HGH is something totally different.

[viewfair]

You are confusing HGH and HCG.

HCG is taken during a cycle to keep your balls happy.

HGh is something totally different.

I didnèt mean to write HGH, HCG is what I meant to say.

[magic32]

There is a lot of confusion here.
I agree with the guys a single Test ester (taken alone, w/ no other compounds AT ALL) is best for first cycle. Liver support is not necessary. Arimidex is not recommended, use it ONLY if you have problems. There is no need for HCG, unless you have post-cycle recovery problems, which you really shouldn't in a novice, Test-Only cycle. PCT for a simple Test cycle does NOT require two (2) SERMS, choose one (1) Nolva OR Clomid, the former is often preferred because it requires less medication, i.e., 20 mg ED.

The key to taking gear is ALWAYS to use as little medication as necessary to effectively achieve your goals. Don't go convoluting the cycle with unnecessary compounds...HCG, A-dex, two SERMS, etc.

Remember the KISS mnemonic - Keep It Simple Silly. Simplicity is king, and it also helps you better discern the cause of any complications you might incur. This can't be done during multi-compound inaugural cycles. Learn how your body responds to one medication at a time, then you can adjust or eliminate them accordingly.

Best to you.

[viewfair]

There is a lot of confusion here.
I agree with the guys a single Test ester (taken alone, w/ no other compounds AT ALL) is best for first cycle. Liver support is not necessary. Arimidex is not recommended, use it ONLY if you have problems. There is no need for HCG, unless you have post-cycle recovery problems, which you really shouldn't in a novice, Test-Only cycle. PCT for a simple Test cycle does NOT require two (2) SERMS, choose one (1) Nolva OR Clomid, the former is often preferred because it requires less medication, i.e., 20 mg ED.

The key to taking gear is ALWAYS to use as little medication as necessary to effectively achieve your goals. Don't go convoluting the cycle with unnecessary compounds...HCG, A-dex, two SERMS, etc.

Remember the KISS mnemonic - Keep It Simple Silly. Simplicity is king, and it also helps you better discern the cause of any complications you might incur. This can't be done during multi-compound inaugural cycles. Learn how your body responds to one medication at a time, then you can adjust or eliminate them accordingly.

Best to you.

Now my world has come crashing down lol. This goes against all the other teachings haha.. So first off.. you're saying I shouldn't be taking Armidex at all... even.25mg EOD or every 3 days, / every time my nipples seem itchy, hurting? Why are you not recommending an AI while on cycle, what are the negatives? Then you're saying no HCG, even on a 14 - 16 week cycle? Won't my testes be shut down for too long that taking HCG at the end of it all will start them back up, is their really a negative for taking HCG over letting the body naturally do it? I don't mind paying the extra to use HCG if the benefits outweigh, I believe I've read AI's crashing your estrogen is never good, so I think I may know where you're going with in regards to not taking an AI.. but are there any negatives with taking the HCG whether it's during or after cycle.

Finally, in regards to the SERM, you say the latter is better, Nolvadex.. and that's 20mg every day for 4 weeks, or what's the protocol?

Thanks for the response!

[redz]

Best thing I ever did was stop using Adex un-necessarily. Just keep it on hand in case.

[Test Monsterone]

There’s nothing wrong with taking HCG during the cycle. Back in the day people never took it, then they started taking it after the cycle. So, some people, especially those that started back in the day didn’t have HCG and therefore don’t see the benefit. I would take HCG especially if you are going back to natty. No point in waiting to see if you’ll have problems recovering if you can prevent a problem from happening from the beginning.

[viewfair]

Best thing I ever did was stop using Adex un-necessarily. Just keep it on hand in case.

Question you may be able to help with. I'm going onto my second week of Test Sus.. but haven't been taking HCG. I'm going to try and get some asap, if I have some for next week, or the following week after, how much would I do? Would i still do 250iu a week, or do I have to do more the first week, and I take HCG until my last shot, and then what, another week or two after my final shot? Then after my final HCG shot, do I start Nolvadex that day?

[redz]

Pct for sustanon starts 3 weeks after last shot you can run the Hcg at a consistent dose up until a week after last test shot.

[SidVicious77]

First off, why would you do 18 weeks for a first cycle? Honestly that sounds too long to me for a first run, when you don't have any personal experience with restarting your HPTA.

[viewfair]

First off, why would you do 18 weeks for a first cycle? Honestly that sounds too long to me for a first run, when you don't have any personal experience with restarting your HPTA.

Was following a friend's advice but I think I'm going to do 12 weeks.

[clarky.]

Was following a friend's advice but I think I'm going to do 12 weeks.

12wks is a nice first cycle.

[viewfair]

Pct for sustanon starts 3 weeks after last shot you can run the Hcg at a consistent dose up until a week after last test shot.

How much HCG do I run while on cycle, do I need to take more the first week or two since I didn't take any these last two weeks or can I still start on a lower dose all the way through?

[SidVicious77]

Don't do higher doses - from my experience that can make your testes less responsive to normal levels of LH.

Just stick to the doses recommended here. The purpose is to keep your testes functioning so you only have to worry about restarting the HP part of your HPTA during PCT.

[viewfair]

I don't see any doses recommended here, is it 200 UI 2X aweek, while on cycle, and for a week or two after my last shot?

[almostgone]

I don't see any doses recommended here, is it 200 UI 2X aweek, while on cycle, and for a week or two after my last shot?

Just in general 250iu 2x/ week is sufficient.

[SidVicious77]

Just in general 250iu 2x/ week is sufficient.

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[onefm]

How soon before you feel the effects of the Sustanon good?