Finasteride/Dutasteride dosage while on

[SidVicious77]

I'm currently cruising on 125mg test undecanoate/week and may run an 8 week 750mg test/200mg deca blast from next March.

I've had thinning hair since 17 and I'm now 43. It's been a long slow slide, but I finally decided to start using Finasteride to try and counter it. Over the last 6 months I've been on 1 mg fin daily. I've had zero negative side effects, but also very minimal results.

I know that Finasteride has a very flat dose-response curve, and that there's not much more DHT suppression by increasing the dosage. But the dosage is based on normal male hormone profiles, and being On puts you well above normal range.

My question is, does this higher testosterone level require a higher Finasteride dosage? Or would I be better off switching to Dutasteride for a more comprehensive DHT-lowering effect?

[SidVicious77]

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[Test Monsterone]

That’s a good question. Research found that using finasteride with deca actually results in more hair loss than if no finasteride was used. Personally, I have taken moderate doses of deca and didn’t notice much difference.

Now, just logically, if you were to increase the dose of finasteride/dutasteride proportional to the increase in hormones, you’d be looking at taking a lot of pills each day. You would be countering the effectiveness of the steroids and possibly harming yourself more.

I’d recommend maintaining the same dose. I actually take my finasteride EOD. In addition to that, I use minoxidil twice a day, and do microneedling once a week. Microneedling/ derma rolling in combination with minoxidil has been shown in a study to increase hair growth pretty dramatically. I use the Dr. Pen on Amazon. I’ve seen improved hair growth. Only been doing that for a couple of months but my girl says when she does it for me me she sees more hair density than before.

So I wouldn’t increase the dosage of hair loss medicine as it can have other more negative side effects. I’d just use additional means to prevent hair loss and reverse it.

[kelkel]

That’s a good question. Research found that using finasteride with deca actually results in more hair loss than if no finasteride was used. Personally, I have taken moderate doses of deca and didn’t notice much difference.

Now, just logically, if you were to increase the dose of finasteride/dutasteride proportional to the increase in hormones, you’d be looking at taking a lot of pills each day. You would be countering the effectiveness of the steroids and possibly harming yourself more.

I’d recommend maintaining the same dose. I actually take my finasteride EOD. In addition to that, I use minoxidil twice a day, and do microneedling once a week. Microneedling/ derma rolling in combination with minoxidil has been shown in a study to increase hair growth pretty dramatically. I use the Dr. Pen on Amazon. I’ve seen improved hair growth. Only been doing that for a couple of months but my girl says when she does it for me me she sees more hair density than before.

So I wouldn’t increase the dosage of hair loss medicine as it can have other more negative side effects. I’d just use additional means to prevent hair loss and reverse it.

I've not heard of fina causing more hair loss while on deca. Link me if you can with your readings.
Not sure how Fina counters the effectiveness of steroids? Fina actually increases T levels due to less conversion to dht.
Regarding hair loss, I agree, I would not up the dose. I'm on fina @ 5 mgs daily for BPH and have been for years. Zero issues fortunately and i've run multiple blood tests monitoring it's effectiveness on various doses of testosterone. From memory it's been tested effective up to 600 mgs of testosterone.

[scotty51312]

I've been running it at 2.5mg per day (somewhere between hair loss and BPH dosing) for a couple months while on TRT, mainly because it helps control my acne. No change in test levels still right around 1000 total t.

[viewfair]

I'm currently cruising on 125mg test undecanoate/week and may run an 8 week 750mg test/200mg deca blast from next March.

I've had thinning hair since 17 and I'm now 43. It's been a long slow slide, but I finally decided to start using Finasteride to try and counter it. Over the last 6 months I've been on 1 mg fin daily. I've had zero negative side effects, but also very minimal results.

I know that Finasteride has a very flat dose-response curve, and that there's not much more DHT suppression by increasing the dosage. But the dosage is based on normal male hormone profiles, and being On puts you well above normal range.

My question is, does this higher testosterone level require a higher Finasteride dosage? Or would I be better off switching to Dutasteride for a more comprehensive DHT-lowering effect?

You should look into Ru 58841, it's proven to work, and has yielded better results then Finasteride, with no side effects normally reported. You can buy the powder or a solution premade, you save a lot of money if you buy it yourself and make it.

https://anageninc.com/ru58841-solution-50ml.html

[kelkel]

You should look into Ru 58841, it's proven to work, and has yielded better results then Finasteride, with no side effects normally reported. You can buy the powder or a solution premade, you save a lot of money if you buy it yourself and make it.

https://anageninc.com/ru58841-solution-50ml.html

There are some interesting youtube videos on it as well.

[SidVicious77]

In addition to that, I use minoxidil twice a day, and do microneedling once a week. Microneedling/ derma rolling in combination with minoxidil has been shown in a study to increase hair growth pretty dramatically. I use the Dr. Pen on Amazon. I’ve seen improved hair growth. Only been doing that for a couple of months but my girl says when she does it for me me she sees more hair density than before.

Agree, I've seen the studies on microneedling. I'll definitely add that in. Thanks!

[SidVicious77]

I've not heard of fina causing more hair loss while on deca. Link me if you can with your readings.

I've heard this statement online, but I think it's pure conjecture based off Dihydro Nandrolone being LESS androgenic than Nandrolone as opposed to DHT being more androgenic than straight test. But then Deca isn't really known as being unduly harsh on your hair so I believe this will barely be a factor.

Zero issues fortunately and i've run multiple blood tests monitoring it's effectiveness on various doses of testosterone. From memory it's been tested effective up to 600 mgs of testosterone.

That is awesome to hear. But I take it that's at your current 5mg dose? I'm using 1mg/day which is the recommended dosage for hairloss.

Essentially my doubt is that even 1mg reduces on average around 71% DHT conversion from an average 700 or 800 ng/DL testosterone level, and that only rises up to 72% from bumping fin up to 5mg, but what happens when the beginning testosterone level is 1500+?

[SidVicious77]

You should look into Ru 58841, it's proven to work, and has yielded better results then Finasteride, with no side effects normally reported. You can buy the powder or a solution premade, you save a lot of money if you buy it yourself and make it.

https://anageninc.com/ru58841-solution-50ml.html

I wish I could, man. But I'm in India, so while I can easily get pharm grade test, deca, winstrol or nolva straight from almost any drug store, I can't access Ru or anything similar. Customs cracks down on any chemical imports hard.

[Test Monsterone]

I tried RU5884 and didn’t notice any results. It’s a topical liquid like minoxidil. Not sure how it compares to finasteride which is consumed orally.

[kelkel]

I've heard this statement online, but I think it's pure conjecture based off Dihydro Nandrolone being LESS androgenic than Nandrolone as opposed to DHT being more androgenic than straight test. But then Deca isn't really known as being unduly harsh on your hair so I believe this will barely be a factor.


That is awesome to hear. But I take it that's at your current 5mg dose? I'm using 1mg/day which is the recommended dosage for hairloss.

Essentially my doubt is that even 1mg reduces on average around 71% DHT conversion from an average 700 or 800 ng/DL testosterone level, and that only rises up to 72% from bumping fin up to 5mg, but what happens when the beginning testosterone level is 1500+?

Deca converting to dhn and not dht is the reason it's my favorite anabolic anymore since I have bph. But yes, agree with your assessment.
Correct, at a 5mg dose. Yes, it would be interesting to see its (fina's) effect on a much higher dose of test but I haven't gone over about 500 mgs since my diagnosis. I do know that when I tested my dht on 500 mgs test it was still below range. Fascinating and impressive.

[SidVicious77]

Yes, it would be interesting to see its (fina's) effect on a much higher dose of test but I haven't gone over about 500 mgs since my diagnosis. I do know that when I tested my dht on 500 mgs test it was still below range. Fascinating and impressive.

That is very encouraging to hear - given that 1 and 5 mgs yield about the same rate of DHT inhibition. I also don't see myself going any higher than 750 test. In fact, I might even keep test at 500 and bump up the deca dose if and when I do run my blast.
If you don't mind answering, how long have you been diagnosed with BPH and how much improvement has Fin made concurrently with running test? I don't have BPH as far as I know, but I'm well into my 40s, and it would be good to know. And so far I've only been able to find these kinds of insights on this forum. All the other gear forums I've scanned have been filled with broscience.

[kelkel]

That is very encouraging to hear - given that 1 and 5 mgs yield about the same rate of DHT inhibition. I also don't see myself going any higher than 750 test. In fact, I might even keep test at 500 and bump up the deca dose if and when I do run my blast.
If you don't mind answering, how long have you been diagnosed with BPH and how much improvement has Fin made concurrently with running test? I don't have BPH as far as I know, but I'm well into my 40s, and it would be good to know. And so far I've only been able to find these kinds of insights on this forum. All the other gear forums I've scanned have been filled with broscience.

Totally guessing here, maybe 5 years or so? I can remember back when my psa was always .04 - .05 or so. Then one time testing it came back at 1.2. This concerned me so I retested two weeks later and it was 2.0. A little higher a few more weeks later and so on. Initiated fina and that reduced my psa greatly. Now as I've aged more it's normally in the upper 2's.

I can remember after starting the fina and reducing my psa I thought I'd go without it for a month or so and retest. PSA shot up to 7.0. That confirmed my need for using it. In one thread here (not mine) a year or so ago I charted my dht out in conjunction with various test doses. I'll look and see if I can find it somehow as you'd find it interesting.

As you know a mans psa is born to rise as we age and there's little doubt in my mind that excess dht based anabolics play a part in it. I think its prudent for anyone getting older and still playing this game to keep that in the back of their mind.

[SidVicious77]

In one thread here (not mine) a year or so ago I charted my dht out in conjunction with various test doses. I'll look and see if I can find it somehow as you'd find it interesting.

As you know a mans psa is born to rise as we age and there's little doubt in my mind that excess dht based anabolics play a part in it. I think its prudent for anyone getting older and still playing this game to keep that in the back of their mind.

I would totally appreciate that, Kelkel!

Also totally agree that controlling hormone levels and monitoring their effects becomes even more important with increasing age.